Author Topic: First Cycle..... (Read 2301 times)

Leg Day · « **on:** February 03, 2009, 05:56:14 PM »

I am starting my first cycle and would like to hear any comments or suggestions on it.
Test Cypionate 400 mg a week for 12 weeks
Deca 300 mg for weeks 1-10

I also have Nolvadex and was told to run it 20 mg a day through the whole cycle and continue it 4 weeks after the last test injection. I also have clomid therapy and I am not sure when and how much to run this. I have read/heard different oppinions on the PCT and this is what I am the most unsure about.

Any help/suggestions are appreciated

4thAD · « **Reply #1 on:** February 03, 2009, 06:18:06 PM »

Quote from: Leg Day on February 03, 2009, 05:56:14 PM

I am starting my first cycle and would like to hear any comments or suggestions on it.
Test Cypionate 400 mg a week for 12 weeks
Deca 300 mg for weeks 1-10

I also have Nolvadex and was told to run it 20 mg a day through the whole cycle and continue it 4 weeks after the last test injection. I also have clomid therapy and I am not sure when and how much to run this. I have read/heard different oppinions on the PCT and this is what I am the most unsure about.

Any help/suggestions are appreciated

Test and Deca looks good good for a first run. Run the nolva if you need it. Personally I would run an AI for estrogen not nolva. As far as the clomid goes you can start approx 2 weeks after last inject of test. You can run it any where from 25-100mg ed for PCT. I prefer running at the lowest dose that will work for your body.

shrek · « **Reply #2 on:** February 03, 2009, 06:38:23 PM »

4th do you think the deca ratio is off since its 400test 300deca the whole run?

tbombz · « **Reply #3 on:** February 03, 2009, 07:00:23 PM »

Quote from: shrek on February 03, 2009, 06:38:23 PM

4th do you think the deca ratio is off since its 400test 300deca the whole run?

run anything in any ratio you want...

Leg Day · « **Reply #4 on:** February 03, 2009, 08:08:36 PM »

AI for estrogen because of the Deca? Would I run it the whole cycle and at what doses? What is a good AI? Sorry still figuring this all out.

As for the ratio do you think I should up the test or down the Deca?

jtsunami · « **Reply #5 on:** February 03, 2009, 08:25:08 PM »

Ai won't do anything for the Deca, you would need a anti progesterone, but gyno from the deca you prolly won't get your only taking 300mg.

elite_lifter · « **Reply #6 on:** February 03, 2009, 08:29:18 PM »

Quote from: Leg Day on February 03, 2009, 08:08:36 PM

AI for estrogen because of the Deca? Would I run it the whole cycle and at what doses? What is a good AI? Sorry still figuring this all out.

As for the ratio do you think I should up the test or down the Deca?

AI=Arimidex, Letrozole-Aromatase Inhibitor, helps block the conversion of test to estrogen.

Nolvadex=SERM- Binds to estrogen receptors only in certain places in the body. It's best used for PCT at 20mg ed for 3 to 4 weeks two weeks after your last shot of test.

You should really do more reading on these things so you get the most from your cycle. Make sure your diet is on point as well as your training or your gains won't be as good as they could be.

Good Luck!

Arnold jr · « **Reply #7 on:** February 03, 2009, 10:23:27 PM »

You're cycle is fine. Like 4th said, don't use the Nolva while on cycle unless you end up needing it...nothing wrong with your cycle...good luck.

StackedDec · « **Reply #8 on:** February 03, 2009, 10:33:21 PM »

I'd up the deca dosage to 2mg/lb of bdwt./wk, so if you are 200lbs you should do 400mg/week. I've personally felt the difference between running less than 2mg/lb of bodyweight and running the full 2mg/lb of bodyweight and trust me, you'll be happy you did up the dose. It makes a significant difference, the only downside is you might get a little worse side effects, like acne for one, and maybe a little SOS, that's sexual overstimulation. I had that for both of my deca cycles I did back in the day. I kinda enjoy being on something that stops my libido. Keeps me from sleeping with whores and focused on other more important things. I found that dbol after a couple weeks kills it and primo really did too.

abc123 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 04, 2009, 01:25:47 AM »

Whores serve a vital role in society.

Leg Day · « **Reply #10 on:** February 05, 2009, 09:46:25 AM »

Thanks for the help guy's. Think Im going to stick with the original cycle, maybe bump the deca up a little bit and start PCT as needed.

Cheers

4thAD · « **Reply #11 on:** February 05, 2009, 10:18:32 AM »

If your worried about ED with this cycle(you'll probably be fine, but...) run some provirion @ 50mg ed. ProVirion is the shit, it will keep you dry, and ready to bang all day every day!

shrek · « **Reply #12 on:** February 05, 2009, 10:37:18 AM »

dude i eat an AI everyday i switch them up between letro adex and nolvadex and iam takeing 250test every 3rd day with 100 nadrorapid and 60mg dbol ed and my dick stands saluete at all times i cant get enough i hit it 5 times a week and rub one out at least 10 times a week youll be ok

shrek · « **Reply #13 on:** February 05, 2009, 10:39:42 AM »

but iam also 27 so maybe that is a factor also

jtsunami · « **Reply #14 on:** February 05, 2009, 03:30:37 PM »

Quote from: shrek on February 05, 2009, 10:37:18 AM

dude i eat an AI everyday i switch them up between letro adex and nolvadex and iam takeing 250test every 3rd day with 100 nadrorapid and 60mg dbol ed and my dick stands saluete at all times i cant get enough i hit it 5 times a week and rub one out at least 10 times a week youll be ok

not sure that is good to switch back and forth, nolva isn't a AI btw, it's a anti-E. That sounds bad actually, I would stick with just one drug and use it for whatever duration.

jt

4thAD · « **Reply #15 on:** February 05, 2009, 06:42:14 PM »

Nolva basically just takes the place of estrogen at the receptor. Your body is still full of estrogen. Keep estrogen down to a normal level with a good AI.

shrek · « **Reply #16 on:** February 05, 2009, 07:08:37 PM »

yeah i know i just classified it with the others..... from what i have read its not wise to eat 1mg adex ed for a long period of time so ill use one kind for awhile and then the other..... the deal is i have gyno from puberty and i can feel it comeing up and it will get more watery if i dont eat the like candy.... i plan on getting it removed one day

jtsunami · « **Reply #17 on:** February 05, 2009, 09:19:39 PM »

Quote from: shrek on February 05, 2009, 07:08:37 PM

yeah i know i just classified it with the others..... from what i have read its not wise to eat 1mg adex ed for a long period of time so ill use one kind for awhile and then the other..... the deal is i have gyno from puberty and i can feel it comeing up and it will get more watery if i dont eat the like candy.... i plan on getting it removed one day

in that case you should just save the money that you are spending on AI's and anti-e's that gotta be a few hundred and put it towards gyno surgery after your cycle and have it permanently removed. Docs like Blau do payment plans so you do not have to pay all upfront.

jt

shrek · « **Reply #18 on:** February 05, 2009, 10:14:12 PM »

hell i dont have the recovery time

jtsunami · « **Reply #19 on:** February 05, 2009, 10:23:06 PM »

Quote from: shrek on February 05, 2009, 10:14:12 PM

hell i dont have the recovery time

what do you mean? For gyno surgery? You only have to wear a ace band aid for 3 days after and can take it off and on, no vest with Blau. Workouts about 3 weeks or so after wards.

jt

DIVISION · « **Reply #20 on:** February 05, 2009, 11:47:16 PM »

Quote from: Leg Day on February 03, 2009, 05:56:14 PM

I am starting my first cycle and would like to hear any comments or suggestions on it.
Test Cypionate 400 mg a week for 12 weeks
Deca 300 mg for weeks 1-10

I also have Nolvadex and was told to run it 20 mg a day through the whole cycle and continue it 4 weeks after the last test injection. I also have clomid therapy and I am not sure when and how much to run this. I have read/heard different oppinions on the PCT and this is what I am the most unsure about.

Any help/suggestions are appreciated

Up the Testosterone dosage to 500MG ew at least and think about lowering the Deca down to 200MG ew to keep the ration intact and save your libido.

Don't run Nolvadex throughout the cycle, rather, think about HCG to keep your nuts full and if you're worried about aromatization at such a low dose, keep an AI on hand.

DIV

Arnold jr · « **Reply #21 on:** February 06, 2009, 06:57:53 AM »

Quote from: DIVISION on February 05, 2009, 11:47:16 PM

Up the Testosterone dosage to 500MG ew at least and think about lowering the Deca down to 200MG ew to keep the ration intact and save your libido.

Don't run Nolvadex throughout the cycle, rather, think about HCG to keep your nuts full and if you're worried about aromatization at such a low dose, keep an AI on hand.

DIV

I have my doubts that his planned cycle could have any negative effect on his libido...matter of fact, I'd put money on that it wouldn't.

Leg Day · « **Reply #22 on:** February 06, 2009, 11:53:05 AM »

I bit more info, 29 years old 6 ft 217 lbs fairly lean. Been training for about 10 years never done anything more then creatine and NOS products ect. I have thought about this and researched allot but getting info first hand from you guy's is great.

I have all that stuff allready just want to make sure I get the most out of the cycle and be as healthy to my body as possible. Money is not an issue so I would like to be prepared for any gyno or other sides.

Is an AI different than the Nolva I allready have?

Thanks for the help.

Emmortal · « **Reply #23 on:** February 06, 2009, 12:15:44 PM »

Quote from: Arnold jr on February 06, 2009, 06:57:53 AM

I have my doubts that his planned cycle could have any negative effect on his libido...matter of fact, I'd put money on that it wouldn't.

There are some exceptions to this, but generally I agree with you. I know a few guys who can't run test at all, it seems like it all converts to estrogen and they loose libido completely and sprout tits like a teenage girl.

Arnold jr · « **Reply #24 on:** February 06, 2009, 12:57:21 PM »

Quote from: Emmortal on February 06, 2009, 12:15:44 PM

There are some exceptions to this, but generally I agree with you. I know a few guys who can't run test at all, it seems like it all converts to estrogen and they loose libido completely and sprout tits like a teenage girl.

Yes I agree with you. But in the case of my comments Div was referring to the Deca in the cycle...not the test.

Quote from: Leg Day on February 06, 2009, 11:53:05 AM

I bit more info, 29 years old 6 ft 217 lbs fairly lean. Been training for about 10 years never done anything more then creatine and NOS products ect. I have thought about this and researched allot but getting info first hand from you guy's is great.

I have all that stuff allready just want to make sure I get the most out of the cycle and be as healthy to my body as possible. Money is not an issue so I would like to be prepared for any gyno or other sides.

Is an AI different than the Nolva I allready have?

Thanks for the help.

Yes, an AI is different. The best AI's are arimidex and letrozol.

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