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Drug smugglers successfully build ramps to jump border fence
« on: February 04, 2009, 05:45:33 PM »
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The planned 670-mile fence along the US border with Mexico has proven remarkably ineffective at deterring or stopping illegal crossers to the United States, advocates and critics of the fence admit.

Moreover, the fence's construction remains in limbo in numerous areas, where legal, political and engineering obstacles have brought its implementation to a halt.

And, where the 600 miles of fencing are already up, along the borders of California, Arizona and New Mexico, "smugglers and illegal immigrants continue to breach the fencing that is up, forcing Border Patrol agents and contractors to return again and again for repairs," the Wall Street Journal noted Wednesday. "The smugglers build ramps to drive over fencing, dig tunnels under it, or use blow torches to slice through. They cut down metal posts used as vehicle barriers and replace them with dummy posts, made from cardboard."

The "rough" measure by which the Border Patrol keeps track of illegal crossings was down 18% for 2008. Crossings appear down in parts of Arizona. But a May report by Congress' research service found a "strong indication" that crossers had simply found new routes. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano once famously quipped that a 50-foot barrier would simply spur the invention of a 51-foot ladder.

Staunch advocates of the fence admit that it doesn't stop illegal crossings.

"It's not the whole fix, not even most of the fix," Steven Camarota, research director at the Center for Immigration Studies, told the Journal.

Opponents say the fence prevents animals from reaching their original habitats and is a taxpayer "boondoggle," a gross expenditure of taxpayer dollars with little tangible results.

The fence remains incomplete along about 70 miles along the Rio Grande, in Texas. It's encountered myriad problems: environmentalists want a review to protect endangered or rare species; property owners have raised their hackles over eminent domain seizure of their land; and engineers have had trouble keeping floods from compromising the soundness of the barrier.

"It does become frustrating," a spokesman for the U.S. Border Patrol was quoted as saying.

President Obama's position on the fence and whether it should be completed remains unclear. He voted for it in the Senate but expressed concern about whether it "makes sense" to have a barrier everywhere along the planned route. Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano is also said to be a skeptic.

But a White House spokesman says construction will continue.

"Mr. Obama supports the fence as long as it is one part of a larger strategy on border security that includes more boots on the ground and increased use of technology," a White House spokesman told the Journal.

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Re: Drug smugglers successfully build ramps to jump border fence
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2009, 06:01:36 PM »
Illegals will continue to vandalize the fence until there is a real consequence to getting caught.

Next time one is caught with a torch or ramp... shoot the fucker.

Word will get around real quick.... and all this nonsense will cease overnight.

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Re: Drug smugglers successfully build ramps to jump border fence
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2009, 06:46:59 PM »
Illegals will continue to vandalize the fence until there is a real consequence to getting caught.

Next time one is caught with a torch or ramp... shoot the fucker.

Word will get around real quick.... and all this nonsense will cease overnight.

But isn't it a crime to enforce our immigration laws? ::)

I think the Border Patrol agents are more afraid of shooting illegals than the illegals are of getting shot.  What a joke it's become.

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Re: Drug smugglers successfully build ramps to jump border fence
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2009, 06:55:39 PM »
We need an israeli style wall and guard towers.

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Re: Drug smugglers successfully build ramps to jump border fence
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2009, 11:19:10 PM »
No shit... but didn't you read the article?

Land owners are mad, and the enviros are bitching that we might be fucckin up the endangered Peruvian spotted jumping mouse, and engineers can't figure out how to make the wall stand up to those epic floods out in the Arizona desert...

The mexicans aren't dumb about this. They know the US isn't serious about border protection.

How come only something like 5000 people ever got past the Berlin wall in 3 decades, yet 200K+ can slink into the US every year???

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Re: Drug smugglers successfully build ramps to jump border fence
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2009, 11:39:26 PM »
I'm surprised Obama is in favor of it. Instead of a fence just line the border with land mines and sniper towers.

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Re: Drug smugglers successfully build ramps to jump border fence
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2009, 06:04:40 AM »
No shit... but didn't you read the article?

Land owners are mad, and the enviros are bitching that we might be fucckin up the endangered Peruvian spotted jumping mouse, and engineers can't figure out how to make the wall stand up to those epic floods out in the Arizona desert...

The mexicans aren't dumb about this. They know the US isn't serious about border protection.

How come only something like 5000 people ever got past the Berlin wall in 3 decades, yet 200K+ can slink into the US every year???

If we wanted to seal the border and throw these invaders out we could. 

The simple fact of the matter is that Obama, GWB, McLame, et al dont want these invaders going home.

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Re: Drug smugglers successfully build ramps to jump border fence
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2009, 06:39:58 AM »
We need an israeli style wall and guard towers.

I agree.

All the wealthy islands here are harsh as hell, we have to be - no taxes payable and great benefits like health - and we are surrounded by poor islands. Strange place my region - a contrast of extreme wealth and poverty in one area.

Obviously all attempts are made via water, and we are merciless, just brutal. We have clear water patrols and never ever allow anyone to stay, literally no one - straight to jail then deported. Is why no one really tries - they will attempt to get into the USA instead.

I do think a massive ass fence, guard towers as you said is the way. Sounds rude, but works for other nations. All 1st world nations have issues with people trying to get in, the average 3rd worlder will choose the USA for *ease* of entry.

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Re: Drug smugglers successfully build ramps to jump border fence
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2009, 06:41:48 AM »
I agree.

All the wealthy islands here are harsh as hell, we have to be - no taxes payable and great benefits like health - and we are surrounded by poor islands. Strange place my region - a contrast of extreme wealth and poverty in one area.

Obviously all attempts are made via water, and we are merciless, just brutal. We have clear water patrols and never ever allow anyone to stay, literally no one - straight to jail then deported. Is why no one really tries - they will attempt to get into the USA instead.

I do think a massive ass fence, guard towers as you said is the way. Sounds rude, but works for other nations. All 1st world nations have issues with people trying to get in, the average 3rd worlder will choose the USA for *ease* of entry.

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WELFARE & TAX FREE JOBS

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Re: Drug smugglers successfully build ramps to jump border fence
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2009, 06:47:42 AM »
AND

WELFARE & TAX FREE JOBS

Well yes, but recall many places offer that. We always have tax free jobs, for everyone. We have welfare in the form of health, college, school lunches free etc.

The US is easier to get into, and being a large place can hide - and illegals get perks there. Other places they get perks allright - jail :-\

Sad the poor nations, but see the "brain drain" doesn't help them either long term. As successfull and hard working and even ppl innovative to sneak into 1st world places run from the 3rd world - will stay 3rd world.

Its a quandry, I spent a year working in poor islands and it really is sad, I do feel for them. But something must be done to stop the illegal entries.

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Re: Drug smugglers successfully build ramps to jump border fence
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2009, 06:50:01 AM »
Well yes, but recall many places offer that. We always have tax free jobs, for everyone. We have welfare in the form of health, college, school lunches free etc.

The US is easier to get into, and being a large place can hide - and illegals get perks there. Other places they get perks allright - jail :-\

Sad the poor nations, but see the "brain drain" doesn't help them either long term. As successfull and hard working and even ppl innovative to sneak into 1st world places run from the 3rd world - will stay 3rd world.

Its a quandry, I spent a year working in poor islands and it really is sad, I do feel for them. But something must be done to stop the illegal entries.

The illegals we have are free loading scammers.

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Re: Drug smugglers successfully build ramps to jump border fence
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2009, 07:28:04 AM »
No shit... but didn't you read the article?

Land owners are mad, and the enviros are bitching that we might be fucckin up the endangered Peruvian spotted jumping mouse, and engineers can't figure out how to make the wall stand up to those epic floods out in the Arizona desert...

The mexicans aren't dumb about this. They know the US isn't serious about border protection.

How come only something like 5000 people ever got past the Berlin wall in 3 decades, yet 200K+ can slink into the US every year???

Because u don't fuck with Germans armed with AK's.
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Re: Drug smugglers successfully build ramps to jump border fence
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2009, 07:34:50 AM »
Why doesnt the goddamn cement have razor blades embedded in it?   And watchtowers every 300 yards to turn em into hamburger with automatic weapons and some rocket launchers for field practice.........no..... Im serious about this.

Some legal ones to pick the lettuce with the welfarites would be okay tho.

I need to run for office!!! >:(

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Re: Drug smugglers successfully build ramps to jump border fence
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2009, 11:43:08 AM »
Because u don't fuck with Germans armed with AK's.

So apparently the Germans are more serious than Americans.

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Re: Drug smugglers successfully build ramps to jump border fence
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2009, 01:43:27 PM »
How come only something like 5000 people ever got past the Berlin wall in 3 decades, yet 200K+ can slink into the US every year???
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