quaker...no.. all ironagers are full of shit.. i hate to say it.. but even don horwath was interviewed and said they took 5-10 mgs of dbol a day max.. we all know it is b.s. but rory at one time said he tookk very minimal amounts.. then he has this interview on md and the dosages are much higher.. i would even venture to say that he is under estimating them in that interview also..