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Re: The March to Socialized Medicine Starts in Obama's Porkulus Bill
« Reply #50 on: February 10, 2009, 07:46:46 PM »
Bring back the line Item Veto!!!!!

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Re: The March to Socialized Medicine Starts in Obama's Porkulus Bill
« Reply #51 on: February 10, 2009, 07:48:52 PM »
U never even see it mentioned..unreal.
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Re: The March to Socialized Medicine Starts in Obama's Porkulus Bill
« Reply #52 on: February 10, 2009, 08:22:44 PM »
havent seen me chief..


calm your bitch ass down before i slap the taste out of your mouth. that tough shit dont phase me. you show me where you said that and ill take it back fuckface. you said i was a party line guy and in less than 5 min i posted shit that was contrary.,..so you shuth the fuck up bitch
havent seen me either hoss  ::)

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Re: The March to Socialized Medicine Starts in Obama's Porkulus Bill
« Reply #53 on: February 10, 2009, 08:40:50 PM »
It sure will be nice to stop running to canada or mexico for our meds.   Bout time we kept our money in the country by regulating to outright theiving prices in the USA.

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Re: The March to Socialized Medicine Starts in Obama's Porkulus Bill
« Reply #54 on: February 10, 2009, 08:55:33 PM »
Funny their all running here for their operations.
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Re: The March to Socialized Medicine Starts in Obama's Porkulus Bill
« Reply #55 on: February 10, 2009, 08:58:06 PM »
How can hardliners complain about socialism considering the bailout started right after Republicans threw the election?

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Re: The March to Socialized Medicine Starts in Obama's Porkulus Bill
« Reply #56 on: February 10, 2009, 09:39:50 PM »
Funny their all running here for their operations.




Well, lock the door.       Why do they want to spend  $60,000 for a tonsilectomy when they can get it for free there??

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Re: The March to Socialized Medicine Starts in Obama's Porkulus Bill
« Reply #57 on: February 11, 2009, 05:06:53 AM »
How can hardliners complain about socialism considering the bailout started right after Republicans threw the election?

That is the mentailty of the 5 year ol.d  No one appluds what Bush did.

however, for Obama to have a "me too" mentality about this is just deadly for us.

We are heading off the cliff with Turbo Tax and Obama who have NO FREAKING CLUE what they are doing.

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Re: The March to Socialized Medicine Starts in Obama's Porkulus Bill
« Reply #58 on: February 11, 2009, 06:45:27 AM »
The issues is clear, Obama has already proven himself to be the far left marxist we said he was.

Give me one single example of Obama employing Marxism.

Just one.
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Re: The March to Socialized Medicine Starts in Obama's Porkulus Bill
« Reply #59 on: February 11, 2009, 06:56:16 AM »
Give me one single example of Obama employing Marxism.

Just one.

1.  His proposed "health care reform" in the "stimulus bill" is calling for the government monitoring and making collective decisions on your health care.

2.  Card Check takes away the secret ballot of workers.


GWB was awful, but Obama is quickly becoming even worse.  He is a ZERO like I said.

He will fail because he entire belief system is a failure.

GWB failed because he strayed from conservative principles and became a socialist himself.

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Re: The March to Socialized Medicine Starts in Obama's Porkulus Bill
« Reply #60 on: February 11, 2009, 08:54:35 AM »
1.  His proposed "health care reform" in the "stimulus bill" is calling for the government monitoring and making collective decisions on your health care.


That could be considered totalitarian.

But first of all - the health care will STILL be performed by PRIVATE institutions.

That alone disqualifies it from being considered "Marxist".



2.  Card Check takes away the secret ballot of workers.

Marxism has nothing to do with removing voting integrity.


GWB was awful, but Obama is quickly becoming even worse.  He is a ZERO like I said.

He will fail because he entire belief system is a failure.

GWB failed because he strayed from conservative principles and became a socialist himself.


I'm not gonna argue whether Obama will be worse than Bush or not.

That is a little premature to call, and also a matter of opinion at this point IMO.

I will however state that Bush is a whole lot of things, but a Socialist - he is not.


BTW, I think you, as a self-proclaimed libertarian, should look up the intimate ties between Libertianism and Liberalism.

Many would argue that Libertianism is the pure form of Liberalism.
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Re: The March to Socialized Medicine Starts in Obama's Porkulus Bill
« Reply #61 on: February 11, 2009, 09:02:04 AM »
Utter garbage.

Liberals seek control over my money and my economic decisions in millions of ways.  They seek control over business, and everything.  Liberals are the new fascists and Jonah Goldberg wrote a very good book about it. 

That alone disqualifies them as being anything close to being a libertarian. 

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Re: The March to Socialized Medicine Starts in Obama's Porkulus Bill
« Reply #62 on: February 11, 2009, 10:17:15 AM »
That is the mentailty of the 5 year ol.d  No one appluds what Bush did.

however, for Obama to have a "me too" mentality about this is just deadly for us.

We are heading off the cliff with Turbo Tax and Obama who have NO FREAKING CLUE what they are doing.

Bush not only spent through what was a surplus (on paper) and put us billions of dollars in debt as a parting gesture. Where are all the people who were calling Obama a Marxist then. They were all chimp screaming and crying about the election until AIG needed money.

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Re: The March to Socialized Medicine Starts in Obama's Porkulus Bill
« Reply #63 on: February 11, 2009, 12:28:17 PM »
1.  His proposed "health care reform" in the "stimulus bill" is calling for the government monitoring and making collective decisions on your health care.

2.  Card Check takes away the secret ballot of workers.


GWB was awful, but Obama is quickly becoming even worse.  He is a ZERO like I said.

He will fail because he entire belief system is a failure.

GWB failed because he strayed from conservative principles and became a socialist himself.








We are in this position because of un regulated capitialism.   Obama said what the american people want.....Simple oversite and transparancy.   So he sets some up for the healthcare industry and all the neocons yell socialism.........dumbas ses.

Someone needs to answer for outright theft of the american people, not only in healthcare but banking as well.    This does not mean total control...it means we need to know someones looking so they feel less inclined to fuck you in the ass and tell you to like it.......get it??

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Re: The March to Socialized Medicine Starts in Obama's Porkulus Bill
« Reply #64 on: February 11, 2009, 12:49:17 PM »
Utter garbage.

Liberals seek control over my money and my economic decisions in millions of ways.  They seek control over business, and everything.  Liberals are the new fascists and Jonah Goldberg wrote a very good book about it. 

That alone disqualifies them as being anything close to being a libertarian. 

You evidently don't know shit about Liberalism.


Or Libertarianism.

The first liberal state was the United States of America[14], founded on the principle that "all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to insure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."[15] This said, much of early liberal thought originated in and influenced the politics of The Netherlands, the United Kingdom and France.


The word "liberal" derives from the Latin liber ("free, not slave"), and is associated with the word "liberty" and the concept of freedom. Roman historian Titus Livius, in his History of Rome From Its Foundation, describes the struggles for freedom between the plebeian and patrician classes. Marcus Aurelius, in his Meditations, writes about "the idea of a polity administered with regard to equal rights and equal freedom of speech, and the idea of a kingly government which respects most of all the freedom of the governed". Largely dormant during the Middle Ages, the struggle for freedom began again during the Italian Renaissance in the conflict between supporters of free city-states and supporters of the Pope or the Holy Roman Emperor. Niccolò Machiavelli, in his Discourses on Livy, laid down the principles of republican government. John Locke in England and the thinkers of the French Enlightenment articulated the struggle for freedom in terms of the Rights of Man.



I really suggest you read these two excellent articles on wiki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism



After that you might not be calling leftist Democrats "Liberals" anymore. :)
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Re: The March to Socialized Medicine Starts in Obama's Porkulus Bill
« Reply #65 on: February 11, 2009, 01:09:13 PM »
Please, you have no clue what the heck you are talking about.  The govt is in bed with these banksters. 

There is plen ty of regulation, there is no enforcement. 

Did you even bother to watch the hearings about Madoff and the SEC????

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Re: The March to Socialized Medicine Starts in Obama's Porkulus Bill
« Reply #66 on: February 11, 2009, 01:10:09 PM »
That defination does not apply to liberals of today, who by and large are totalitarians and Nanny State fascists.

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Re: The March to Socialized Medicine Starts in Obama's Porkulus Bill
« Reply #67 on: February 11, 2009, 01:18:36 PM »
That defination does not apply to liberals of today, who by and large are totalitarians and Nanny State fascists.






You should take limbaughs balls out of your mouth before you speak.

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Re: The March to Socialized Medicine Starts in Obama's Porkulus Bill
« Reply #68 on: February 11, 2009, 01:20:02 PM »
I understand that you cant handle the cold hard truth about things. 

Pelosi/Reid/Obama are no different than GWB/Paulson et al in their lust for total control over our lives.

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Re: The March to Socialized Medicine Starts in Obama's Porkulus Bill
« Reply #69 on: February 11, 2009, 01:21:42 PM »
I understand that you cant handle the cold hard truth about things. 

Pelosi/Reid/Obama are no different than GWB/Paulson et al in their lust for total control over our lives.





That was semi intelligent and mostly true.   Ron paul couldve got this shit fixed.