Supplements - only dumb people buy them

[1Fast400]

I think pro shows are overrated, but I think the local shows are worthwhile.  Too much stuff is overdone in our industry.  It is what it is.  The intellect of someone saying all supplements are stupid, is an idiot.  Anyone with half a brain knows that.  Be hardcore, eat your food and train.  Nobody cares what you think.  There are some companies that give the industry a bad rap, but I don't blame them.  The consumers want it, they make it.  OTC drugs being sold by people working out of their garage.  Is what it is. 

There are some excellent supplements out there, there are some crappy ones.  Just like any industry. 

[lovemonkey]

I think pro shows are overrated, but I think the local shows are worthwhile.  Too much stuff is overdone in our industry.  It is what it is.  The intellect of someone saying all supplements are stupid, is an idiot.  Anyone with half a brain knows that.  Be hardcore, eat your food and train.  Nobody cares what you think.  There are some companies that give the industry a bad rap, but I don't blame them.  The consumers want it, they make it.  OTC drugs being sold by people working out of their garage.  Is what it is. 

There are some excellent supplements out there, there are some crappy ones.  Just like any industry. 

Now don't be too harsh on Stark, he is intellectually handicapped you see.

[GetItOnNY]

SUPPLEMENTS THAT WORK
                                                                                             SUPPLEMENTS THAT SUCK
L-Glutamine                                                                             
                                                                                               Creatine Ethyl Ester, no such thing
BCAA's                                                                                     Creatine Ester, doesnt exist
Waxey Maize Starch, from potato or rice sources                            Creatine Ethyl Ester Beta ALanine, another made up chemical                                                                                                             Creatine Taurinate
Amino Acids                                                                              WHey protein COncentrate that is 35%-60% pure, junk
Whey protein that is above 80% protein                                        Hydrolised Collagen Protien
Whey protein Isolate 89% plus protein                                           Geltain Protein
Milk Isolate,                                                                              D-Ribose
Egg Protein                                                                               HMB
                                                                                             Creatine, mixed with L-Glutamine in any formulation
EHpedra                                                                                   Liquid Creatine, if its not Kre-Alklayln
ECA stack                                                                                Green tea & caffiene claiming to be better then ECA
 Triacna                                                                                   Most liquid Vitamins, they are just mostly orange juice
Androstene                                                                               Oxigen Water
Androstendiol                                                                            Waxy Maize Starch that is make from CORN Starch
Combination proteins ,Milk ,EGG, wHEY,                                          Dextrose, in creatine products
Kre-alklayn                                                                               Weight gainers with Maltodextrin
Arginine                                                                                    Homeopathic GH enhancers                                         
Arginine Ethyl Ester HCL IF ITS REAL                                              Most protein bars, because of heat & Glycerin
                                                                                               All body Fortress products sold at Wal Mart
Arginine HCL                                                                              cheap Tribulus, or Tribulus used without an Androgen
Beta Alanine                                                                              Longfolia that is below 200 to 1 , most are 50 to 1
L-Norvaline                                                                               Meal replacement that contain Guar GUM Xanthium Gum
Vanadyl Sulfate,                                                                       Collagen protein solid in test tubes claiming to be Whey
Chromium                                                                                Chinese Creatine
Vanadium                                                                                Gugul Lipids
Digestive Enzymes                                                                     Chitostan
L-carnatine                                                                              products having 75 ingredients, in propreitory blends
Longfolia                                                                                 compnies renaming DHEA, as a pro-hormone
Velever Deer Antler, if its real!!!!!!                                               Wheat Protein
6 0x0                                                                                     Buck Wheat Protein
Ester C                                                                                  Goat Whey
Fish Oil                                                                                  Wheat Protein Isolate
                                                                                           Soy Protein only use Isolate & small amounts   
                                                                                           Pre-made protein drinks that are "flash heated"
                                                                                          CLA in capsules, just buy Safflower oil at the store               
                                                                                          Energy drinks, monster, Full Throttle, etc etc junk
                                                                                          Coral Calcium
                                                                                          Cortisol Blockers
                                                                                          Green teat fatbuners
                                                                                         Hoodia, if its not from Africa, and its its not used with Konjac
                                                                                         Collagen Protein Weight Loss products
                                                                                         
                                                                                               
                                               

 

[claymore]

Matt Kroczalewski summed it up rather well, there's some that actually help, but most are extremely over-hyped garbage!!

[TechnoViking]

SUPPLEMENTS THAT WORK
                                                                                             SUPPLEMENTS THAT SUCK
L-Glutamine                                                                             
Creatine Ethyl Ester, no such thing
BCAA's                                                                                     Creatine Ester, doesnt exist
Waxey Maize Starch, from potato or rice sources                            Creatine Ethyl Ester Beta ALanine, another made up chemical                                                                                         Creatine Taurinate
Amino Acids                                                                              WHey protein COncentrate that is 35%-60% pure, junk
Whey protein that is above 80% protein                                        Hydrolised Collagen Protien
Whey protein Isolate 89% plus protein                                           Geltain Protein
Milk Isolate,                                                                              D-Ribose
Egg Protein                                                                               HMB
                                                                                             Creatine, mixed with L-Glutamine in any formulation
EHpedra                                                                                   Liquid Creatine, if its not Kre-Alklayln
ECA stack                                                                                Green tea & caffiene claiming to be better then ECA
 Triacna                                                                                   Most liquid Vitamins, they are just mostly orange juice
Androstene                                                                               Oxigen Water
Androstendiol                                                                            Waxy Maize Starch that is make from CORN Starch
Combination proteins ,Milk ,EGG, wHEY,                                          Dextrose, in creatine products
Kre-alklayn                                                                               Weight gainers with Maltodextrin
Arginine                                                                                    Homeopathic GH enhancers                                         
Arginine Ethyl Ester HCL IF ITS REAL                                              Most protein bars, because of heat & Glycerin
                                                                                               All body Fortress products sold at Wal Mart
Arginine HCL                                                                              cheap Tribulus, or Tribulus used without an Androgen
Beta Alanine                                                                              Longfolia that is below 200 to 1 , most are 50 to 1
L-Norvaline                                                                               Meal replacement that contain Guar GUM Xanthium Gum
Vanadyl Sulfate,                                                                       Collagen protein solid in test tubes claiming to be Whey
Chromium                                                                                Chinese Creatine
Vanadium                                                                                Gugul Lipids
Digestive Enzymes                                                                     Chitostan
L-carnatine                                                                              products having 75 ingredients, in propreitory blends
Longfolia                                                                                 compnies renaming DHEA, as a pro-hormone
Velever Deer Antler, if its real!!!!!!                                               Wheat Protein
6 0x0                                                                                     Buck Wheat Protein
Ester C                                                                                  Goat Whey
Fish Oil                                                                                  Wheat Protein Isolate
                                                                                           Soy Protein only use Isolate & small amounts   
                                                                                           Pre-made protein drinks that are "flash heated"
                                                                                          CLA in capsules, just buy Safflower oil at the store               
                                                                                          Energy drinks, monster, Full Throttle, etc etc junk
                                                                                          Coral Calcium
                                                                                          Cortisol Blockers
                                                                                          Green teat fatbuners
                                                                                         Hoodia, if its not from Africa, and its its not used with Konjac
                                                                                         Collagen Protein Weight Loss products
                                                                                         
                                                                                               
                                               

 

thanks for this

[3Dkiller]

studies have shown that creatine Ethyl Ester or any other kind of new hyped creatine doesnt work only thing that works is getting a empty pocket

[barrettaswine]

here we go again!! Everybody says Franco Columbu's nutrition book is "outdated" and useless. If you actually read it, He says don't waste your money on "wonder supplements". But you guys are too smart to listen to a ex mr. olympia. Seriously, just take a multi, some vitamin c and eat high quality food. With the ecomomy bad, who the hell can waste money on bullshit supplements. Remember, if your not training like a friggin madman, your pissin in the wind.

[RZA]

here we go again!! Everybody says Franco Columbu's nutrition book is "outdated" and useless. If you actually read it, He says don't waste your money on "wonder supplements". But you guys are too smart to listen to a ex mr. olympia. Seriously, just take a multi, some vitamin c and eat high quality food. With the ecomomy bad, who the hell can waste money on bullshit supplements. Remember, if your not training like a friggin madman, your pissin in the wind.

Simple but true nonetheless. "Supplements" means: I don't eat what matches my needs. You d'ont need to be eating 4000calories aday to get plenty of what you need even if you work out like a beast. Even the multi you can do without ideally.

[barrettaswine]

Thank you RZA. I'm glad someone understands finally!

[Er[e]bus]

here we go again!! Everybody says Franco Columbu's nutrition book is "outdated" and useless. If you actually read it, He says don't waste your money on "wonder supplements". But you guys are too smart to listen to a ex mr. olympia. Seriously, just take a multi, some vitamin c and eat high quality food. With the ecomomy bad, who the hell can waste money on bullshit supplements. Remember, if your not training like a friggin madman, your pissin in the wind.

Excellent post, and spot on, I have never bought anything else but Protein, and don't think I ever will.

[kwri298]

Some supplements definately work...

ZMA - I respond well to ZMA
6OXO or the Gaspari test booser

and of course protein powders.  I use syntha-6 and ISO-100.

Of course ZMA and over the counter test boosters are worthless if your using AAS. 

[QuakerOats]

Some supplements definately work...

ZMA - I respond well to ZMA
6OXO or the Gaspari test booser

and of course protein powders.  I use syntha-6 and ISO-100.

Of course ZMA and over the counter test boosters are worthless if your using AAS. 

i'd also say that intra and post workout BCAA's combined with some Gatorade or other simple carbs work very well.

[Mars]

[chainsaw]

Yep - be like most people and go to fast food joints and gain more weight and be overweight. Yep - that is right, supplement don't work

Get real.

Of course they do.

Some of them don't but many are there to support your moderate intake of food.

Ron, bullshit most of the stuff raising test levels is DHEA and is labeled as something like trianabol.  I'm calling bullshit.

[flagadajones]

Ron isnt going to bash  supplements, they are the magical powders that makes money flood in for the whole "industry", ron's website being part of this industry.

[CalvinH]

SUPPLEMENTS THAT WORK
                                                                                             SUPPLEMENTS THAT SUCK
L-Glutamine                                                                             
                                                                                               Creatine Ethyl Ester, no such thing
BCAA's                                                                                     Creatine Ester, doesnt exist
Waxey Maize Starch, from potato or rice sources                            Creatine Ethyl Ester Beta ALanine, another made up chemical                                                                                                             Creatine Taurinate
Amino Acids                                                                              WHey protein COncentrate that is 35%-60% pure, junk
Whey protein that is above 80% protein                                        Hydrolised Collagen Protien
Whey protein Isolate 89% plus protein                                           Geltain Protein
Milk Isolate,                                                                              D-Ribose
Egg Protein                                                                               HMB
                                                                                             Creatine, mixed with L-Glutamine in any formulation
EHpedra                                                                                   Liquid Creatine, if its not Kre-Alklayln
ECA stack                                                                                Green tea & caffiene claiming to be better then ECA
 Triacna                                                                                   Most liquid Vitamins, they are just mostly orange juice
Androstene                                                                               Oxigen Water
Androstendiol                                                                            Waxy Maize Starch that is make from CORN Starch
Combination proteins ,Milk ,EGG, wHEY,                                          Dextrose, in creatine products
Kre-alklayn                                                                               Weight gainers with Maltodextrin
Arginine                                                                                    Homeopathic GH enhancers                                         
Arginine Ethyl Ester HCL IF ITS REAL                                              Most protein bars, because of heat & Glycerin
                                                                                               All body Fortress products sold at Wal Mart
Arginine HCL                                                                              cheap Tribulus, or Tribulus used without an Androgen
Beta Alanine                                                                              Longfolia that is below 200 to 1 , most are 50 to 1
L-Norvaline                                                                               Meal replacement that contain Guar GUM Xanthium Gum
Vanadyl Sulfate,                                                                       Collagen protein solid in test tubes claiming to be Whey
Chromium                                                                                Chinese Creatine
Vanadium                                                                                Gugul Lipids
Digestive Enzymes                                                                     Chitostan
L-carnatine                                                                              products having 75 ingredients, in propreitory blends
Longfolia                                                                                 compnies renaming DHEA, as a pro-hormone
Velever Deer Antler, if its real!!!!!!                                               Wheat Protein
6 0x0                                                                                     Buck Wheat Protein
Ester C                                                                                  Goat Whey
Fish Oil                                                                                  Wheat Protein Isolate
                                                                                           Soy Protein only use Isolate & small amounts   
                                                                                           Pre-made protein drinks that are "flash heated"
                                                                                          CLA in capsules, just buy Safflower oil at the store               
                                                                                          Energy drinks, monster, Full Throttle, etc etc junk
                                                                                          Coral Calcium
                                                                                          Cortisol Blockers
                                                                                          Green teat fatbuners
                                                                                         Hoodia, if its not from Africa, and its its not used with Konjac
                                                                                         Collagen Protein Weight Loss products
                                                                                         
                                                                                               
                                               

 

Did you foward this post to boonstack for approval

[Playboy]

If you really think about it, the fundamental basis of this industry and pretty much everything that is wrong with this "sport" are the dumb people falling for the most unbelievable obvious fake advertisement human kind has ever seen.

Good friend of mine (and not the sharpest tool in the box) would fall for any and every f'ing shit these cocksuckers put on the market and i mean ANYTHING, he calls me at least once a month raging about this new product that would stimulate your testosterone level (naturally ) and a week later he has to admit it was all bullshit.
So all these dumb f's fall for these dumb advertisement fall for dumb promises and buy their dumb shit product.
I mean a half way intelligent man would have no problem to figure out that a product called "species " produced by two of the biggest crocks in the BB industry has no f'ing chance in hell to be any good.

So back to the start, these dumb f's buy the product therefore the "Supplement" industry has money to spend on advertisement for the pros they make a bit of cash and need to do less g4p and everybody is happy right?

Wrong, because if you guys have any decency in you, you boycot these lying f'ing snakeoil selling scumbag companies and give them NOTHING, not even the cheese of your dick nada nothing, f'em and f their spokes persons and the pages that push this shit as well.

And f you dumb f' for falling for the most obvious scams

Edit: Three product that have been proven to work and are not to be included in the list above: Protein Powder, Amino Acids, Creatine.

   

Calm down Gloria.

If you don't likeor believe in supplements then don't buy them. Simple.

[HTexan]

If you really think about it, the fundamental basis of this industry and pretty much everything that is wrong with this "sport" are the dumb people falling for the most unbelievable obvious fake advertisement human kind has ever seen.

Good friend of mine (and not the sharpest tool in the box) would fall for any and every f'ing shit these cocksuckers put on the market and i mean ANYTHING, he calls me at least once a month raging about this new product that would stimulate your testosterone level (naturally ) and a week later he has to admit it was all bullshit.
So all these dumb f's fall for these dumb advertisement fall for dumb promises and buy their dumb shit product.
I mean a half way intelligent man would have no problem to figure out that a product called "species " produced by two of the biggest crocks in the BB industry has no f'ing chance in hell to be any good.

So back to the start, these dumb f's buy the product therefore the "Supplement" industry has money to spend on advertisement for the pros they make a bit of cash and need to do less g4p and everybody is happy right?

Wrong, because if you guys have any decency in you, you boycot these lying f'ing snakeoil selling scumbag companies and give them NOTHING, not even the cheese of your dick nada nothing, f'em and f their spokes persons and the pages that push this shit as well.

And f you dumb f' for falling for the most obvious scams

Edit: Three product that have been proven to work and are not to be included in the list above: Protein Powder, Amino Acids, Creatine.

What's is wrong with liquid vitamins?

[kwri298]

i'd also say that intra and post workout BCAA's combined with some Gatorade or other simple carbs work very well.

Agreed, I use to add luceine to powered Gatorade and mix it up.  L-Luceine does not mix does mix very well.  Luceine is the main thing that starts protein synthsis.  Most supplements are over hyped and over priced.  Buy bulk in Luceine, BCAAs, or EAA's is the way to go.