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Octuplet's mom on welfare
« on: February 12, 2009, 06:45:32 AM »


LOS ANGELES —  The Southern California mother of octuplets receives $490 a month in food stamps and three of her first six children are disabled and receiving federal assistance, her publicist confirmed Monday evening.

Spokesman Michael Furtney said Nadya Suleman did not want to disclose the nature of the disabilities, or the type or sum of the payments.

Furtney confirmed the public assistance payments after two sources told The Los Angeles Times that Suleman was receiving food stamps and federal supplemental security income.

"In her view these are just payments made for people with legitimate needs and are not, in her view, welfare," Furtney said. "She just believes that there are programs for people with needs and she and her children qualify for some of them."

In an interview that aired Monday, Suleman told NBC "Today" show anchor Ann Curry that she does not receive welfare.

Her six other children are under the age of 7. All 14 children were the result of in-vitro fertilization.

Suleman was implanted with embryos at a Beverly Hills fertility clinic run by a well-known — and controversial — specialist who pioneered a method of implantation.

Dr. Michael Kamrava's name emerged Monday as a result of the interview aired Monday with Suleman, who gave birth to eight babies Jan. 26.

Over the past two weeks, the identity of Suleman's fertility doctor has been a source of great mystery because of questions over the ethics of implanting numerous embryos in a woman who already had six children.

Kamrava, 57, would not comment on the issue, but told reporters outside his clinic on Rodeo Drive that he had granted an interview to one of the television networks. When asked to provide more detail, he said, "Watch the news."

Without identifying the doctor, the Medical Board of California said last week it was looking into the Suleman case to see if there was a "violation of the standard of care." The medical board said Monday it has not taken any disciplinary action against Kamrava in the past.

In the NBC interview, Suleman did not identify her doctor by name, but said that she went to the West Coast IVF Clinic in Beverly Hills — of which Kamrava is director — and that all 14 of her children were conceived with help from the same doctor. In 2006, Los Angeles TV station KTLA ran a story on infertility that showed Kamrava treating Suleman and discussing embryo implantation.
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Kamrava graduated from the University of Illinois and went to medical school at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, according to state records and his Web site.

Some fertility specialists said Kamrava is a controversial figure in the field.

"He's tried some novel techniques and some of those methods have been controversial," said Dr. John Jain, founder of Santa Monica Fertility Specialists.

Jain criticized the decision to implant so many embryos, saying: "I do think that this doctor really stepped outside the guidelines in a very extreme manner, and as such, put both the mother and children at extra high risk of disability and even death."

Dr. Jeffrey Steinberg, a professional acquaintance of Kamrava's, said Kamrava worked to develop an embryo transfer device that allows doctors to implant an embryo — or sometimes sperm with an unfertilized egg — directly into the uterine lining.

"Usually we inject the embryos into the uterus and they float around and attach themselves," Steinberg said. However, Steinberg said there was no evidence the method improved success rates for pregnancy.

It was not immediately known if the technique was used on Suleman.

Suleman said she had six embryos implanted for each of her pregnancies. The octuplets were a surprise result of her last set of six embryos, she said, explaining she had expected twins at most. Two of the embryos evidently divided in the womb.

Medical ethicists have criticized the implanting of so many embryos. National guidelines put the norm at two to three embryos for a woman of Suleman's age, except in extraordinary circumstances.

Kamrava's clinic performed 20 in vitro procedures on women under 35 in 2006, according to the most recent national report compiled by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Of those 20 procedures, four resulted in pregnancies and two in births. One woman delivered twins.

The average number of embryos he transferred per procedure for women under 35 was 3.5, the report said. Fertility doctors often implant more than one embryo to increase the chances that one will take hold.

An in-vitro procedure typically costs between $8,000 and $15,000. Asked on NBC how she was able to afford the treatments, Suleman said she had saved money and used some of the more than $165,000 in disability payments she received after being injured in a 1999 riot at a state mental hospital where she worked.

Dr. Richard Paulson, who heads the fertility program at the University of Southern California, cautioned against rushing to judgment about the fertility treatment in this case because questions remain about the quality of Suleman's eggs and whether there were any extraordinary circumstances that would lead Kamrava to transfer so many embryos.

As for the technique Kamrava pioneered, "those of us who are the scientists in the field do not feel this is a significant improvement," Paulson said. He said some doctors advertise that technique as "a way of making patients feel that they are trying something new."

Suleman, who is 33 and single, told NBC's "Today" show she was "fixated" on having children. Suleman said her doctor "did nothing wrong" and had warned her of possible complications to the pregnancy and risks to the development of the babies.

The octuplets were born nine weeks prematurely but appear relatively healthy. Their names have a Biblical theme: Noah, Jonah, Jeremiah, Josiah, Isaiah, Maliyah, Makai and Nariyah. All share the middle name Angel and the last name Solomon.

On Sunday, Suleman's mother, Angela Suleman, seemed to contradict her daughter's account, telling a Web site the fertility specialist who helped her daughter give birth to the octuplets was not the one who aided in the birth of her first six children.

In an interview with celebrity news Web site RadarOnline.com, Angela Suleman said she and Nadya's father pleaded with her first fertility doctor not to treat their daughter again. She said her daughter went to another doctor.

"I'm really angry about that," Angela Suleman said of the doctor's decision to perform the procedure. "She already has six beautiful children. Why would she do this? I'm struggling to look after her six. We had to put in bunk beds, feed them in shifts and there's children's clothing piled all over the house."

Angela Suleman said Nadya's boyfriend was the biological father of all 14 children, but that she refused to marry him.

"He was in love with her and wanted to marry her," she said. "But Nadya wanted to have children on her own."


How does a woman on welfare and with outstanding loans get money to have invitro to have another 8 kids? Apparently she and her disabled kids are going to end up costing the taxpayers millions.
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Re: Octuplet's mom on welfare
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2009, 11:56:31 AM »
The money she got from the disability was used for THIS instead of paying for the $50,000 in student loans she is deliquent on?

You know, I don't hold her accountable for this as much I do the doctor.  She can't help herself, stupid is as stupid does.  But the doctor should have at least had some morals and general concern for the family/society as a whole.

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Re: Octuplet's mom on welfare
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2009, 01:37:40 PM »
The money she got from the disability was used for THIS instead of paying for the $50,000 in student loans she is deliquent on?

You know, I don't hold her accountable for this as much I do the doctor.  She can't help herself, stupid is as stupid does.  But the doctor should have at least had some morals and general concern for the family/society as a whole.

The taxpayer is again getting screwed.

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Re: Octuplet's mom on welfare
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2009, 02:26:50 PM »
It's only a matter of time before the state steps in and takes all those kids away from her.

The state should make the doctor pay to raise these kids

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Re: Octuplet's mom on welfare
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2009, 02:34:17 PM »
It's only a matter of time before the state steps in and takes all those kids away from her.

The state should make the doctor pay to raise these kids

Agree.

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Re: Octuplet's mom on welfare
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2009, 02:37:32 PM »
It's only a matter of time before the state steps in and takes all those kids away from her.

The state should make the doctor pay to raise these kids


That's what I was thinking....fucking prick.
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Re: Octuplet's mom on welfare
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2009, 03:07:00 PM »
That's what I was thinking....fucking prick.

And take his license away.

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Re: Octuplet's mom on welfare
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2009, 03:10:08 PM »
I agree. 

A simple (and properly done) intake would have revealed that the woman already had 7 kids she couldn't take care of. 

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Re: Octuplet's mom on welfare
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2009, 03:12:36 PM »
I agree. 

A simple (and properly done) intake would have revealed that the woman already had 7 kids she couldn't take care of. 

And the idiot taxpayers have to keep paying for this insanity.

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Re: Octuplet's mom on welfare
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2009, 10:46:38 PM »
Hey, at least she's a LEGAL mexican immigrant....

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Re: Octuplet's mom on welfare
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2009, 10:53:21 PM »
I didn't read the whole thing or much about her but isnt she some Angelina Jolie wanna be? Even had plastic surgery and shit to look like her?

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Re: Octuplet's mom on welfare
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2009, 11:16:58 PM »
And take his license away.

Oh, absofuckinglutely! What kind of Dr. in his right mind would partake is this kind of scam?
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Re: Octuplet's mom on welfare
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2009, 11:49:55 PM »
It's only a matter of time before the state steps in and takes all those kids away from her.

The state should make the doctor pay to raise these kids

Supposedly, her father (a contractor in iraq) has enough resources to care for all his grandchildren.
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Re: Octuplet's mom on welfare
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2009, 01:22:09 AM »

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Re: Octuplet's mom on welfare
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2009, 01:35:11 AM »


There's gonna be some real sexy scarring there.... :-X
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Re: Octuplet's mom on welfare
« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2009, 01:42:25 AM »
the doctor should be locked up.

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Re: Octuplet's mom on welfare
« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2009, 06:02:47 AM »
Supposedly, her father (a contractor in iraq) has enough resources to care for all his grandchildren.
Yeah, a 3 bedroom home in Whittier is GREAT for the kids who are all going to have health problems.  Most doctors agree that these kids are going need millions in care (that the taxpayers will foot, not her daddy) or die.  If they are lucky they will not live to suffer what their mom and doctor did, out of a selfishness.

She received a disability settlement and did this stupid shit instead of paying off her student loans.  All she did was create more debt for this country.  Taxpayers footing the bill for fourteen kids and dumb girl's student loans.
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Re: Octuplet's mom on welfare
« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2009, 06:12:11 AM »
THATS FUCKIN GROSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

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Re: Octuplet's mom on welfare
« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2009, 06:50:10 AM »
  She claims she's going to be able to make enough money to support her kids after she gets her education completed .. I'm still wondering if all 14 kids have the same father ( which she has said ) why is he not being held responsible for any of this in any way ?

  She had these last six eggs ( saved by some other nut job DR ) fertilized and implanted thinking most of them would be become non-viable .. wouldn't decrease the embryo count when first discovered .. so during all the time this litter was being carried , NO ONE did a thing to try and secure financial stability ( never mind responsibility ) , that includes her parents .


  If I were her mother I'd petition the court to declare her unfit .. her mental state is ( to say the least ) bizarre and unrealistic .. I have big issues with her education .. she's going to be a counselor ? ? ? .. who in this world is going to need her ( and pay her ) to counsel them when she obviously has no common sense ? ? ?


  Where are all the bleeding hearts stepping up to "give" her anything she needs , maybe Extreme Home makeover will build her a new 15 bedroom home ? Maybe Oprah will buy her a bus ?

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Re: Octuplet's mom on welfare
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2009, 07:16:31 AM »
  She claims she's going to be able to make enough money to support her kids after she gets her education completed .. I'm still wondering if all 14 kids have the same father ( which she has said ) why is he not being held responsible for any of this in any way ?

  She had these last six eggs ( saved by some other nut job DR ) fertilized and implanted thinking most of them would be become non-viable .. wouldn't decrease the embryo count when first discovered .. so during all the time this litter was being carried , NO ONE did a thing to try and secure financial stability ( never mind responsibility ) , that includes her parents .


  If I were her mother I'd petition the court to declare her unfit .. her mental state is ( to say the least ) bizarre and unrealistic .. I have big issues with her education .. she's going to be a counselor ? ? ? .. who in this world is going to need her ( and pay her ) to counsel them when she obviously has no common sense ? ? ?


  Where are all the bleeding hearts stepping up to "give" her anything she needs , maybe Extreme Home makeover will build her a new 15 bedroom home ? Maybe Oprah will buy her a bus ?

I heard a clip of her talking on the radio a week or so ago...  it took about 60 seconds to tell that she's kinda mental.  I can't quite put my finger on it but something ain't right with that chick.  I mean aside from being a single mom on welfare (let's call a spade a spade) with FOURTEEN kids.  That's just one of (I'm sure) many symptoms of whatever pathology she's got going on.

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Re: Octuplet's mom on welfare
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2009, 07:25:41 AM »
I heard a clip of her talking on the radio a week or so ago...  it took about 60 seconds to tell that she's kinda mental.  I can't quite put my finger on it but something ain't right with that chick.  I mean aside from being a single mom on welfare (let's call a spade a spade) with FOURTEEN kids.  That's just one of (I'm sure) many symptoms of whatever pathology she's got going on.

Exactly Dan-O .. I thought the same thing when I saw her speaking .. I want to really know WTF her "teachers" or "professors" think of her ?

Why can't they tell a whacked looney tune is in their class and should be in therapy instead ?

Maybe Dr.Phil can save her  ::) or give her free diapers maybe ?
Sure feels like some money is gonna get made from the media for her in some way .

And I bet she won't have to pay back California one dime if she gets some idiot TV show 8)

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Re: Octuplet's mom on welfare
« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2009, 08:13:06 AM »
Maybe her kids can tour the German countryside singing show tunes.  That could make her a pretty penny.
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Re: Octuplet's mom on welfare
« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2009, 08:16:41 AM »
This is a perdect example of the welfare mentality gone extreme.

Cut off all welfare, take the 14 kids into foster care, and throw her ass (and the doc) in jail for Collusion against the taxpayers of California.