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Bay Area mouse spurs national debate over stimulus bill
« on: February 13, 2009, 10:27:36 AM »
Can you believe this crap? 

Bay Area mouse spurs national debate over stimulus bill
By Paul Rogers

Bay Area News Group

Posted: 02/13/2009 12:27:14 AM PST

It was the mouse that roared.

A 1-inch-tall endangered rodent found in the marshes of Palo Alto and other San Francisco Bay cities became a national symbol of wasteful spending Thursday for opponents of President Obama's stimulus plans.

"Pork for Rats?" CNN trumpeted. "Pelosi's mouse slated for $30M slice of cheese," proclaimed the Washington Times.

Trouble is, the facts were mostly wrong. But the lightning speed of Internet news enabled it to take on urban legend stature within hours.

The tale began Wednesday, when Michael Steel, a spokesman for House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, sent an e-mail to reporters and political leaders that noted Republican staff members have been asking federal agencies how they would spend the stimulus money.

"One response? Thirty million dollars for wetland restoration in the San Francisco Bay Area — including work to protect the salt marsh harvest mouse," wrote Steel.

The Washington Times then wrote a story citing Steel and claiming that $30 million for the mouse project is contained in the bill. The paper suggested the money was put there by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-San Francisco. Blogger Matt Drudge, whose Web site receives 26 million hits a day, posted a link to that story.

And by mid-day Thursday, the tiny salt marsh harvest mouse — and Democratic supporters of the stimulus bill — had been ridiculed by hosts Megyn Kelly and Bill Hemmer on Fox News;

Steel, however, said the Washington Times story is incorrect.

"There is no language in the bill that says this money will go to this project," Steel told the San Jose Mercury News. "There are large pots of money in the bill that go to various agencies. One of those agencies said the salt marsh harvest mouse project is something we'd do if you gave us the money."

Pelosi spokesman Drew Hamill agreed that funding for the mouse is not in the bill, and said she did not lobby for it to be on any list.

Then where did the $30 million figure come from, if it's not in the bill? It turns out that $30 million is the total amount that the California Coastal Conservancy, a state agency, recommended more than a month ago to numerous federal agencies, looking for lists of "shovel ready" projects as part of the stimulus bill planning.

The conservancy's wish list included five major ongoing wetlands restoration projects totaling nearly 4,000 acres, said civil engineer Steve Ritchie, a Coastal Conservancy staff member who helped draw it up. And the federal Army Corps of Engineers included all five projects on its own list of possible ways to spend stimulus money.

The projects, which range from Napa County to Silicon Valley, involve moving levees, creating islands and converting former industrial salt ponds back to marshes. Each could begin by year's end and would benefit dozens of species, including salmon, steelhead trout, ducks, egrets, and yes, the endangered mouse, Ritchie said.

The work also would provide increased flood protection to homes and businesses around San Francisco Bay, he said. In 2003, the Bush administration endorsed and helped fund the largest of the projects, the purchase of former Cargill salt ponds for wetlands restoration.

"This isn't school kids planting little sprigs of plants. We are talking about thousands of acres, building levees and islands with heavy equipment," said Ritchie. "It's at least 100 new jobs."

Even if the stimulus passes, there's no guarantee the projects will get the money, since they're not named in the bill. That will be up to the Army Corps of Engineers, which does everything from harbor dredging to building dams to restoring wetlands.

Is Ritchie upset his "wish list" became a national punching bag?

"In the atmosphere we're in you expect it," Ritchie said. "But the disappointing part is that this isn't just about one critter. It's about jobs, construction, flood control — there's a lot there."

http://www.mercurynews.com/peninsula/ci_11696283

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Re: Bay Area mouse spurs national debate over stimulus bill
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2009, 10:33:19 AM »
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Re: Bay Area mouse spurs national debate over stimulus bill
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2009, 10:38:05 AM »
So let me get this straight... According to the article.

Someone made up a story about and somehow this is about "Obama"?

What is crappy about this?

I'm just trying to figure out your issue with it... because I'm really not sure what you're trying to say, in posting that article.

The Washington Times lied?

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Re: Bay Area mouse spurs national debate over stimulus bill
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2009, 10:55:04 AM »
Media lies pisses me off.
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Re: Bay Area mouse spurs national debate over stimulus bill
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2009, 10:56:14 AM »
Still don't see what Beach is upset about... I wish he would come here and explain it to me.

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Re: Bay Area mouse spurs national debate over stimulus bill
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2009, 11:10:07 AM »
Explain what?  Pretty obvious.  We're going to spend money protecting a dang mouse.  Priorities. 

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Re: Bay Area mouse spurs national debate over stimulus bill
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2009, 11:19:06 AM »
Explain what?  Pretty obvious.  We're going to spend money protecting a dang mouse.  Priorities. 

it's even more obvious that you didn't even read the article
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Trouble is, the facts were mostly wrong. But the lightning speed of Internet news enabled it to take on urban legend stature within hours.

"There is no language in the bill that says this money will go to this project," Steel told the San Jose Mercury News. "There are large pots of money in the bill that go to various agencies. One of those agencies said the salt marsh harvest mouse project is something we'd do if you gave us the money."

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Pelosi spokesman Drew Hamill agreed that funding for the mouse is not in the bill, and said she did not lobby for it to be on any list.

Then where did the $30 million figure come from, if it's not in the bill? It turns out that $30 million is the total amount that the California Coastal Conservancy, a state agency, recommended more than a month ago to numerous federal agencies, looking for lists of "shovel ready" projects as part of the stimulus bill planning.

The conservancy's wish list included five major ongoing wetlands restoration projects totaling nearly 4,000 acres, said civil engineer Steve Ritchie, a Coastal Conservancy staff member who helped draw it up. And the federal Army Corps of Engineers included all five projects on its own list of possible ways to spend stimulus money.

The projects, which range from Napa County to Silicon Valley, involve moving levees, creating islands and converting former industrial salt ponds back to marshes. Each could begin by year's end and would benefit dozens of species, including salmon, steelhead trout, ducks, egrets, and yes, the endangered mouse, Ritchie said.

The work also would provide increased flood protection to homes and businesses around San Francisco Bay, he said. In 2003, the Bush administration endorsed and helped fund the largest of the projects, the purchase of former Cargill salt ponds for wetlands restoration.


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Re: Bay Area mouse spurs national debate over stimulus bill
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2009, 11:33:42 AM »
it's even more obvious that you didn't even read the article


What, no super sized, bold font?  It's even more obvious that you have trouble following a discussion, as usual.  You just quoted this:

"There are large pots of money in the bill that go to various agencies. One of those agencies said the salt marsh harvest mouse project is something we'd do if you gave us the money."

So yes, the mouse will get money.   ::)

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Re: Bay Area mouse spurs national debate over stimulus bill
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2009, 11:50:03 AM »
What, no super sized, bold font?  It's even more obvious that you have trouble following a discussion, as usual.  You just quoted this:

"There are large pots of money in the bill that go to various agencies. One of those agencies said the salt marsh harvest mouse project is something we'd do if you gave us the money."

So yes, the mouse will get money.   ::)

why did you leave out the sentence that immediate preceded the quote you posted.  I'll help you out with the large print this time:

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"There is no language in the bill that says this money will go to this project," Steel told the San Jose Mercury News. "There are large pots of money in the bill that go to various agencies. One of those agencies said the salt marsh harvest mouse project is something we'd do if you gave us the money."

here is some more you missed:

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Even if the stimulus passes, there's no guarantee the projects will get the money, since they're not named in the bill. That will be up to the Army Corps of Engineers, which does everything from harbor dredging to building dams to restoring wetlands.

Any way you look at it, the talking point that Pelosi put in $30 million dollars for a mouse is a complete LIE but that seems to be the only things that Republicans know how to do.  What I don't understand is why Republican voters are ok with being lied to.




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Re: Bay Area mouse spurs national debate over stimulus bill
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2009, 12:38:43 PM »
why did you leave out the sentence that immediate preceded the quote you posted.  I'll help you out with the large print this time:

here is some more you missed:

Any way you look at it, the talking point that Pelosi put in $30 million dollars for a mouse is a complete LIE but that seems to be the only things that Republicans know how to do.  What I don't understand is why Republican voters are ok with being lied to.





That's my thing... Did Beach read the entire article? It doesn't seem so.

The own article said the paper was incorrect, yet Beach still acts like this is money for a mouse.

How weird.

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Re: Bay Area mouse spurs national debate over stimulus bill
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2009, 01:16:53 PM »
the whole argument of the angry far-right is that 'some of the money may go to a company that once recommended we protect a certain animal which is a mouse'

pelosi isn't putting $30 million in mouse treats into a cage at her sanfran office.

But, since they are pissy about the bill they're powerless to stop because the american people elected this group of ppl who overwhelmingly support it, they are crying.


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Re: Bay Area mouse spurs national debate over stimulus bill
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2009, 05:55:25 AM »
You clowns are still in denial over your King ZERO and his Queen - Pelosi.

Of course this project is going to get funded, as will every other liberal wet dream project.

Almost every single credible source says this plan is a disaster and wont do squat.

Seriously, tell me, how does this plan put tens of thousands of white collar people laid off in New York back to work?

Additionally, only 5% of the bill is for infrastructure, and most of those projects wnot get going for well over a year.  As the Senate stripped E Verify from the plan, I guarantee anyone that illegals willb e most of the laborers on the projects. 

And who do think is going to get those contracts?????