American Moslem might have beheaded wife...

[Slapper]

Couple hundred? I'd be willing to bet that crowd numbers at least a thousand.

IT'S IN YOUR FUCKING VIDEO!!!! CHECK IT OUT IDIOT!!!!

[Fury]

IT'S IN YOUR FUCKING VIDEO!!!! CHECK IT OUT IDIOT!!!!

Jesus fuck, calm down. I watched the video. I'm sure you think you can, but you can't count every person in that video. Hell, the camera doesn't even show you the whole rally. Just a little part where the speakers are. This argument is pathetic. You're not even addressing the issue. You're focusing on how many people are there, and flat out lying through your teeth in the process.

LET'S MELTDOWN AND POST IN ALL CAPS!!!!!! RAWR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MY POINT IS CONVEYED WHEN I TYPE IN ALL CAPS!!!!

[Slapper]

What you see in the small crowd of radical Muslims happens here alllllll the time:



You just want to make it seem it's more of them.

[Fury]

What you see in the small crowd of radical Muslims happens here alllllll the time:



You just want to make it seem it's more of them.

I don't know how to get this across to you because you're obviously a retard but read the polling numbers.

I'll say it again because you can't read.

32% think that “Western society is decadent and immoral and that Muslims should bring it to an end.” That’s 768,000 Muslims in Britain alone that want Western society destroyed. 40% want Sharia Law in Britain. That’s 960,000 that want Sharia Law. 1 million people want Britain to be a Muslim caliphate! 960,000+ people in Britain want to end our way of life and make it like theirs.

 


LET'S POST IN CAPS SOME MORE! Arguing with you is so boring.

[Dan-O]

You guys need to relax!

Beheading is just the way Muslims deal with differences of opinion in their culture and we westerners have no right to judge them for it just because they're different than us.

[Slapper]

I don't know how to get this across to you because you're obviously a retard but read the polling numbers.

Dude, you POST videos that prove NOTHING of what you're saying! How much RETARDED can YOU get?

Then again you always end up kicking it up a notch.

 

32% think that “Western society is decadent and immoral and that Muslims should bring it to an end.” That’s 768,000 Muslims in Britain alone that want Western society destroyed. 40% want Sharia Law in Britain. That’s 960,000 that want Sharia Law. 1 million people want Britain to be a Muslim caliphate! 960,000+ people in Britain want to end our way of life and make it like theirs.

Ok, now that we've found out that everything that you said in this thread is baseless shit, now you change the rhetoric. Ok, 32% of Muslims think Western society is decadent. Ok. I presume they're to be feared because of it. Now the question becomes: How many in the Western world think the Muslim world is decadent and immoral? If the % is higher than that of Muslims, are we to be feared or are Muslims to be feared?

I guarantee you, many non-Muslims are scared SHITLESS of the Western "civilized" world. South America, Africa (the non-Muslim countries,) some countries in Asia, etc. You go to western Africa and try to talk to the locals about racial equality. Go to Vietnam or central American and talk to the locals about the "civilized" world and see what will happen to your ass.

See, we live in societies in which most thought is outsourced. The media only tells you half of the story and will NEVER tell us about state-sponsored terrorism. Thus we develop this idea that we can do no wrong and we're always out to help others... when it is clear we're in the business of stealing resources and killing all opposition.

Go to Africa or South America and ask them who they're more afraid of, the Muslims and their head chopping or the "civilized" world that somehow has managed to build enough bombs to un-civilize it for many, many centuries. Go to downtown Buenos Aires and ask them who they fear most Iran with their three elevators and a camel or the US with its thousands of nuclear bombs and a warmongering attitude that would make Genghis Khan jealous.

Maybe, just maybe, we're not as civilized as we think we are.

[IFBBwannaB]

Slapper can you deliver a message to Mohammad from me after you blow yourself up in his name? 

[Nordic Superman]

Slapper, why the self righteous highjacking of every thread in this manner?

Simply because statistically more men die whilst wanking over donkey porn than compared the muslim beheadings in the US doesn't mean it is safe or logical to turn a blind high to dangerously high percentages of muslims believing suicide attacks are OK.

Instead of hijacking everyone of these threads with your self centered moral righteousness which on previous occasions has resulted in idiotic statements like calling for censoring critical judgement of islam or islamic societies.

[Slapper]

Slapper, why the self righteous highjacking of every thread in this manner?

Wow, I didn't know that being free to respond is the equivalent of "hijacking" anything. Bullshit!

Simply because statistically more men die whilst wanking over donkey porn than compared the muslim beheadings in the US doesn't mean it is safe or logical to turn a blind high to dangerously high percentages of muslims believing suicide attacks are OK.

Well, that is because you're LYING. The following graph shows your "dangerously high percentages" of Muslim acceptance of suicide bombings:

Instead of hijacking everyone of these threads with your self centered moral righteousness which on previous occasions has resulted in idiotic statements like calling for censoring critical judgement of islam or islamic societies.

Look, if you want to criticise Islam you have every right to do that. Now, if you choose to do so, please do so using the truth and some objectivity. I mean, just saying the high percentages of Muslims are in favor of suicide bombings when many people know it to be a lie... What's it to you? Whose purpose do you favor? Are you a British Jew and just want to blow off some steam?

I have many criticisms of Islam myself, as well as of my Catholic past and many other things. I hate some of the things they do. And Muslims may hate some of the things we do. The problem is that we're bombing the shit out of them, and indoingso we're only going to radicalize them to the point of no return, meaning either YOU exist or I exist, but one of us has to go.

Sometimes finding fault in someone else just shows a rampant inability for self-criticism. Which I believe is your case, because you expect everyone to take your word as fact and anyone willing to prove you wrong ends up "hijacking your" thread.

Please, do accept criticism as a positive and not a negative.

[Deedee]

Far many more kids die every year by decapitation in their parent's cars for either wearing a faulty seat belt or a faulty air bag than decapitation perpetrated by Muslims in the US. Yet, it's the isolated case that gets underlined and bolded because the decapitator is a Muslim.

If you want to find out where decapitation IS a real problem all you have to do is drive down to the Mexico/US border, where decapitated victims are found every month, and no Muslims are involved in that one. All American gangs.

From a "Muslim".

None of this is relevant Slapper. When prominent Christians murder or rape, when "family values" politicians get caught having same sex relations in airport bathroom stalls, it makes the news and their hypocrisy is mocked. In this case, a prominent muslim who promoted a tv station flogging the "building bridges" meme, brutally murders his wife. It's just another domestic violence incident prompted by her seeking a divorce, but the irony is incredible and the hypocrisy makes it newsworthy. Don't know where you're going with your arguments. He deserves to have his ass handed to him by the press, just as he handed his wife her head.

[Slapper]

None of this is relevant Slapper. When prominent Christians murder or rape, when "family values" politician get caught having same sex relations in airport stalls, it makes the news and their hypocrisy is mocked. In this case, a prominent muslim who promoted a tv station flogging the "building bridges" meme, brutally murders his wife. It's just another domestic violence incident prompted by her seeking a divorce, but the irony is incredible and the hypocrisy makes it newsworthy. Don't know where you're going with your arguments. He deserves to have his ass handed to him by the press, just as he handed his wife her head.

Sure, I do agree. But then what happens to the other 20-30 annual decapitations in the US that go unreported? We then have to make the decision as to what to do with how we report crimes. Do we report crimes only perpetrated by Jews and Blacks or do we only report the crimes perpetrated by Whites? Once we come to that conclusion the question then becomes: how do we stop Whites from committing crimes? Which is a very valid way to go about it, but it does not solve the underlying problem of crime itself. It just solves the crime committed by Whites.

And that is precisely what I'm trying to say, why spotlight the only decapitation carried out by a Muslim in the US in the past couple of years when there have been 500-1000 be headings in the USA in the past years and Muslims have had nothing to do with it? May it be because we want to present the case that Muslims are evil and they've devised all these evil ways to kill other human beings? No, we all know that is not true.

It's just this whole appalling notion that beheadings are not important until a Muslim carries it out that I have an issue with.

[Nordic Superman]

Wow, I didn't know that being free to respond is the equivalent of "hijacking" anything. Bullshit!

Well, that is because you're LYING. The following graph shows your "dangerously high percentages" of Muslim acceptance of suicide bombings:

Hmm, let's not sensationalise the use of the word "hijacking" in this context shall we? 1/10 muslims from that poll think suicide attacks are justified. Let's imagine that 10% represented a different question; should blacks be removed from America for example; people would be up in arms. In the UK the percentages for similar such polls are higher - scarily so in the educated (Uni) crowd.

And that is precisely what I'm trying to say, why spotlight the only decapitation carried out by a Muslim in the US in the past couple of years when there have been 500-1000 be headings in the USA in the past years and Muslims have had nothing to do with it? May it be because we want to present the case that Muslims are evil and they've devised all these evil ways to kill other human beings? No, we all know that is not true.

It's just this whole appalling notion that beheadings are not important until a Muslim carries it out that I have an issue with.

Ha, you country's media doesn't report other decapitations? Comical! Any form of murder by decapitation, regardless of demographics, religious or not would be instantaneously reported on the frontpage news by most media organisations in the UK (and I know for a fact US media does the same, but I'll play your little game).

I think you're missing the reason I posted this. It had nothing to do with the beheading, nor the perverted obsession muslims have with decapitation; it was in fact the irony of a muslim who created a "bridge building" TV channel murdering his estranged wife. Surely a beacon of muslim moderation such as a man who creates bridge building media sources wouldn't murder his estranged wife? This mans actions were influenced by islamic ideology - that is my belief and one the common media will never tell the story of.

[Deedee]

Sure, I do agree. But then what happens to the other 20-30 annual decapitations in the US that go unreported? We then have to make the decision as to what to do with how we report crimes. Do we report crimes only perpetrated by Jews and Blacks or do we only report the crimes perpetrated by Whites? Once we come to that conclusion the question then becomes: how do we stop Whites from committing crimes? Which is a very valid way to go about it, but it does not solve the underlying problem of crime itself. It just solves the crime committed by Whites.

And that is precisely what I'm trying to say, why spotlight the only decapitation carried out by a Muslim in the US in the past couple of years when there have been 500-1000 be headings in the USA in the past years and Muslims have had nothing to do with it? May it be because we want to present the case that Muslims are evil and they've devised all these evil ways to kill other human beings? No, we all know that is not true.

It's just this whole appalling notion that beheadings are not important until a Muslim carries it out that I have an issue with.

Beheadings carried out by white Christian Americans are reported as well. There is no need to point to their religious or cultural affiliation as 1) reports usually name the offender and it's an easy guess what their religion happens to be. 2) Pics are often provided so one can easily observe what the race of the perpetrator is as well, and 3) they're relative nobodies so after the initial revulsion factor wears off, people forget about them.

When prominent orthodox Jews get caught in some embezzling scheme, when devout Christians murder, you can bet those cases are flogged in the press endlessly, with dozens of message boards and the like denouncing their hypocrisy and screaming "oh those sick fundies." So I fail to see why this case should be different. Because the murderer happened to be a prominent muslim and people should be "sensitive" to that fact? No! This man made it  a business to promote cultural bridges, then he goes and commits a horrific crime. Did Haggard get a pass because he's white and Christian? Edwards? Spitzer? The story isn't underlined because of his religion per se, it's underlined because he was in the business of, and profiting financially, from actively promoting understanding and peace, then couldn't walk the walk with regards to his own family. It's laughable actually. A white American Christian would have gotten the same treatment.

[Nordic Superman]

Props Deedee, some great points put across in a elegant manner.

[Slapper]

Beheadings carried out by white Christian Americans are reported as well. There is no need to point to their religious or cultural affiliation as 1) reports usually name the offender and it's an easy guess what their religion happens to be. 2) Pics are often provided so one can easily observe what the race of the perpetrator is as well, and 3) they're relative nobodies so after the initial revulsion factor wears off, people forget about them.

Well, yes, and I do agree to some extent. My beef is not really how the issue is reported by the media, it's with the person who initiated the thread, who has developed a liking to put ANY crime committed by a Muslim under the microscope and generalize it as a sort of a problem that ONLY plagues the Muslim world. I then came in and presented data that decapitations in the US are mainly a non-Muslim phenomenon and that Nordic's stubborn insistence on making beheadings a purely Muslim issue was not backed by any data. And that is where you come in... so please do read the rest of the thread (if you haven't done so) because you'll find out I agree with you on most things.

When prominent orthodox Jews get caught in some embezzling scheme, when devout Christians murder, you can bet those cases are flogged in the press endlessly, with dozens of message boards and the like denouncing their hypocrisy. So I fail to see why this case should be different. Because the murderer happened to be a prominent Muslim and people should be "sensitive" to that fact? No! This man made it  a business to promote cultural bridges, then he goes and commits a horrific crime. Did Haggard get a pass because he's white and Christian? The story isn't underlined because of his religion per se, it's underlined because he was in the business of, and profiting financially, from actively promoting understanding and peace, then couldn't walk the walk with regards to his own family. It's laughable actually. A white American Christian would have gotten the same treatment.

Look, let's not get off subject here. We can look at how the US media tackles the issue of beheadings here in the US and all that, but that is not where I'm trying to go. My argument is with Nordic's comments and not how the US media covers the issue. I mean, we can talk about US media and their reporting of Islamic issues if you want to, but you'll have to open another thread.

Cheers.

[Deedee]

Props Deedee, some great points put across in a elegant manner.

Thanks NS. I don't come around too often, but hope you're still fighting the good fight on the religion board and educating the non-evolution proponents. 

[Slapper]

Hmm, let's not sensationalise the use of the word "hijacking" in this context shall we?

 

Dude, I'm sorry to say it, but some of the things you say are blunt lies. I do not know if you're purposely lying or really ignore the issue because your blind dislike of Islam, but it's driving you to say things that are easily debunked by a mere google search. I mean, at least say something that carries some truth and I promise you I'll be saying "I agree" more often than you think (a.k.a. "saying what you want to hear," or un-hijacking a thread in your language). I mean, supposed Muslim "perverted obsession" with beheadings? Hahahaha. I'd say they like to skin people alive more often than wanting to chop someone's head off. THAT is a popular radical Muslim passtime.

1/10 muslims from that poll think suicide attacks are justified.

I know, but you know what, while under great distress, people make the wrong decisions. Look at the polls taken here in the US before the War in Iraq. I mean almost 80% of Americans were in favor of a war in which they knew many innocent civilians were going to die. Does that make us evil? No, we were ill-informed and made choices based on ignorance.

Let's imagine that 10% represented a different question; should blacks be removed from America for example; people would be up in arms. In the UK the percentages for similar such polls are higher - scarily so in the educated (Uni) crowd.

You're mixing pears and apples here. The black community IS NOT actively being bombed or their communities invaded at this moment. There is some anger in the black community towards the status quo though: Look at African-American views on Al Qaeda. But I'm going off in a tangent here. The point is the Islamic community is under great distress and it shows on the polls. If you were to look at Japanese opinion of the USA after Nagasaki I bet you it wouldn't have been positive, even amongst Japanese-Americans who at the time were being rounded up and put in concentration camps.

Ha, you country's media doesn't report other decapitations?

No, I'm talking about you and your view dumbass.

I think you're missing the reason I posted this.

I think not. I think it was another one of your pile-on threads against Islam. I seriously doubt you presented it to let us Americans know that there are decapitations in the US now, something we already knew, but you purposely chose the case in which there was a Muslim involved; presumably because you want us Gringos to... I don't know, get into "fight or flight" mode?

It had nothing to do with the beheading, nor the perverted obsession muslims have with decapitation; it was in fact the irony of a Muslim who created a "bridge building" TV channel murdering his estranged wife. Surely a beacon of Muslim moderation such as a man who creates bridge building media sources wouldn't murder his estranged wife? This mans actions were influenced by Islamic ideology - that is my belief and one the common media will never tell the story of.

Riiiiight! And someone looking at all your threads will come to the realisation that irony is the name of your game and that your perverse view of Islam has nothing to do with it.

[IFBBwannaB]

Thanks NS. I don't come around too often, but hope you're still fighting the good fight on the religion board and educating the non-evolution proponents. 

Be careful, Slapper will behead you if you say bad things about Islam 

[Slapper]

Gotta go to a party full of burka-wearing/Koran-reading Muslim girls.

See ya fuckees.

The Fucker.

[IFBBwannaB]

Gotta go to a party full of burka-wearing/Koran-reading Muslim girls.

See ya fuckees.

The Fucker.

You're going to a beheading party again? Damn party animal!

[Nordic Superman]

Dude, I'm sorry to say it, but some of the things you say are blunt lies. I do not know if you're purposely lying or really ignore the issue because your blind dislike of Islam, but it's driving you to say things that are easily debunked by a mere google search. I mean, at least say something that carries some truth and I promise you I'll be saying "I agree" more often than you think (a.k.a. "saying what you want to hear," or un-hijacking a thread in your language). I mean, supposed Muslim "perverted obsession" with beheadings? Hahahaha. I'd say they like to skin people alive more often than wanting to chop someone's head off. THAT is a popular radical Muslim passtime.

I know, but you know what, while under great distress, people make the wrong decisions. Look at the polls taken here in the US before the War in Iraq. I mean almost 80% of Americans were in favor of a war in which they knew many innocent civilians were going to die. Does that make us evil? No, we were ill-informed and made choices based on ignorance.

You're mixing pears and apples here. The black community IS NOT actively being bombed or their communities invaded at this moment. There is some anger in the black community towards the status quo though: Look at African-American views on Al Qaeda. But I'm going off in a tangent here. The point is the Islamic community is under great distress and it shows on the polls. If you were to look at Japanese opinion of the USA after Nagasaki I bet you it wouldn't have been positive, even amongst Japanese-Americans who at the time were being rounded up and put in concentration camps.

No, I'm talking about you and your view dumbass.

I think not. I think it was another one of your pile-on threads against Islam. I seriously doubt you presented it to let us Americans know that there are decapitations in the US now, something we already knew, but you purposely chose the case in which there was a Muslim involved; presumably because you want us Gringos to... I don't know, get into "fight or flight" mode?

Riiiiight! And someone looking at all your threads will come to the realisation that irony is the name of your game and that your perverse view of Islam has nothing to do with it.

Show the lies comrade, stop coming in here with your controlling self righteousness and telling us what is what and what is right.

Blind dislike of islam? No, there are moderate muslims, but the is no moderate islam, it's a well warranted and logical dislike of an all encompassing fascist ideology - and that's where the dislike stems from.

Easy to debunk? Start doing it. Skinning people alive is a popular jihadist pastime? Got any references? I'd be interested in learning more about that.

Sorry, the war in Iraq and subsequent response is not directly comparable like you make it out to be. There are several well grounded reasons why muslims would be in favour of suicide attacks - and those reasons have existed since the conception of the koran. The results of the poll - I would argue - are not a knee jerk response like the the polls taken after 911 etc.

When do I say muslims are evil? Muslims can moderate themselves - but the koran cannot be moderated and therefore never contain a moderate ideology.

You say the black community can't be used OK fine, but does this mean you too will stop making apple / oranges comparison whenever islam / muslim terrorists are brought up?

P.S. my view of islam isn't perverse... SIMPLY PROVE ME WRONG!

[Deedee]

Well, yes, and I do agree to some extent. My beef is not really how the issue is reported by the media, it's with the person who initiated the thread, who has developed a liking to put ANY crime committed by a Muslim under the microscope and generalize it as a sort of a problem that ONLY plagues the Muslim world. I then came in and presented data that decapitations in the US are mainly a non-Muslim phenomenon and that Nordic's stubborn insistence on making beheadings a purely Muslim issue was not backed by any data. And that is where you come in... so please do read the rest of the thread (if you haven't done so) because you'll find out I agree with you on most things.

I did read the thread and earlier on you said the spotlight was placed on this man because he was muslim. I assumed you meant in general, in the media.

Decapitations may be a mostly non-Muslim phenomenon in the US, but does occur with more frequent regularity outside the country, certainly in places like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

When the soldier brought his wife her lover's head in a gym bag, people blamed the bloodthirstiness of the crime on his military training. The louder a Christian anti-gay preacher yells about it, the more people assume he's a closet gay. When someone dies in a freak firecracker-up-his-ass explosion, people assume it was drunken, white trash having fun. Blah, blah, blah.

So, stereotypes are born, and people make assumptions. Guess we'll find out if the stereotype holds true in this case when the trial hits the news.

People kill their wives every day. Too bad this guy used a more traditional mode of execution. If he had made some statement like "the b*tch was gonna take me to the cleaners" and shot her instead, it would've appeared much more mainstream, and his plight might've even garnered sympathy from some. 

[Nordic Superman]

Decapitations may be a mostly non-Muslim phenomenon in the US, but does occur with more frequent regularity outside the country, certainly in places like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

Isn't public decapitation a form of capital punishment in Saudi Arabia?

[Slapper]

I did read the thread and earlier on you said the spotlight was placed on this man because he was muslim. I assumed you meant in general, in the media.

No, like said, I was responding to Nordic's comments. He's got quite a rapsheet on Muslim-mania and it's funny how he manages to come up with all these stories that he (as he insinuates) intends not to put Muslims in a bad light, just to sort of inform the American public of how evil and ill-intentioned Muslims are for the sole purpose of... I have no friggin idea. A bunch of radical Islamists landed 2 planes about 400 yards from me back in 2001... I kinda know how these people operate already.   

Decapitations may be a mostly non-Muslim phenomenon in the US, but does occur with more frequent regularity outside the country, certainly in places like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

And I don't disagree with you, provided I there is very little information to go about on the subject, but the issue here is decapitations in the US. I really could care less about decapitations in Pakistan or Afghanistan or Fuckistan. I got enough with my own system here. But one thing is clear, this even outside of the USA: Decapitations, or the synonym most used by the US media to describe decapitations carried out by Muslims: beheadings (gruesome shit, much, much worse even though it's the same thing-game of semantics-) are not a Muslim invention. It may have become the punishment of choice in some Islamic countries, but it is hardly their invention or perfection. I mean, look at the depiction of the Bible by the great masters of painting:



Memo: The chick cutting the head off is.... A Jew!! Oh monsieur!! Jews don't do that!!

When the soldier brought his wife her lover's head in a gym bag, people blamed the bloodthirstiness of the crime on his military training. The louder a Christian anti-gay preacher yells about it, the more people assume he's a closet gay. When someone dies in a freak firecracker-up-his-ass explosion, people assume it was drunken, white trash having fun. Blah, blah, blah.

So, stereotypes are born, and people make assumptions. Guess we'll find out if the stereotype holds true in this case when the trial hits the news.

You're going off tangent here. All I have to say about this is that we're not even talking about people's perceptions, we're talking about how the issue is reported, better yet, distorted, by the media. 

People kill their wives every day. Too bad this guy used a more traditional mode of execution. If he had made some statement like "the b*tch was gonna take me to the cleaners" and shot her instead, it would've appeared much more mainstream, and his plight might've even garnered sympathy from some.

What?!

 

[Soul Crusher]

Crazy is crazy.

It has nothing to do with crazy.  Islam is a death cult and these people are not crazy.  They know exactly what they are doing.