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Re: Ideal natural physique
« Reply #125 on: February 16, 2009, 12:47:48 PM »
well I feel this way because its simply reality. again you're talking about diet... and ignoring the genetic limits MOST human beings exhibit.

I think you can develop a great build naturally... I developed a decent build without drugs. that said - you will not become massive... and get shredded while retaining mass... without drugs.

now there are genetic marvels walking around that have a great build... and low bodyfat - and dont even lift. these guys are in that .5 percentile of genetic freaks.. for most people thats not going to happen.

are you one of the exceptions? are you massive and ripped without drugs?

Dude I'm definitely not denying the genetics or drug factor.

I do believe someone like Doug, besides the fact that his diet is excellent and so is his training, I think he was blessed with great genetics!  The best for this sport!!!!  These things combined took him to where he is!

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Re: Ideal natural physique
« Reply #126 on: February 16, 2009, 12:50:05 PM »

Also I think its important to note that Doug Competes at about 185 lbs.

You wanna tell me that a natural cannot do that????

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Re: Ideal natural physique
« Reply #127 on: February 16, 2009, 12:54:43 PM »

GENETICS + EXCELLENT DIET + EXCELLENT TRAINING + Plus Decent true Supplments = Natural Bodybuilding Champions

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Re: Ideal natural physique
« Reply #128 on: February 16, 2009, 01:10:01 PM »
Has it dawned on any of you brainiacs that maybe Doug is not like most people?  That maybe is he is one of those very rare individuals who combines superior genetics, superior work ethic, and also pays meticulous attention to his diets and supplements?  Could it be that is why he has risen to the top of his sport?

You assume Doug must be on drugs because none of you dingleberries, or any of the dingleberries you train with at your local gyms, looks like him.  But mabye the reason no one at your gym looks like one of the best pro natural bodybuilders in the country is because... follow me now... none of the top natural pros train at your gym.  There are only a handful of them... but thousands of gyms. 

How many of you have ever been to a natural bodybuilding show?  How many have been to a pro natural show?  Do any of you retards even know what some of the other top naturals look like?

You all think Doug looks too good to be natural, but believe it or not, he didn't win his last show, which was the IFPA Yorton Cup in 2007.  He lost to this guy:





Pretty good, huh?  Is he also on drugs... and therefore a liar and a cheat? (Maybe you should tell him that if you ever meet him in person.  He's a U.S. Marine.  That should be an interesting conversation.)

Here's the two of them together:





Here's the top three from that show:





At these shows, the competitors are polygraphed and the winners have to pass a urinalysis before they are officially declared the winner.  Are the IFPA officials who run the show liars and cheats?  And also the judges... the polygraph examiners... and the lab workers who do the urinalysis?  That's what you have to believe if you think Doug could compete in this contest and not be natural.

Get over your jealousy boys and hit the wieghts a little harder.  Oh... and since everyone here is so concerned with the training credentials of people posting, I can squat 355 and deadlift 435... and that's at 42 years old!


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Re: Ideal natural physique
« Reply #129 on: February 16, 2009, 01:32:40 PM »
Doug Miller is the hardest working Natural (YES NATURAL) bodybuilder I have ever met.  I've never seen someone so meticulous (or should I say anal) about his dieting and training as Doug is. 
In regards to training, Doug will NEVER, and I mean NEVER miss a day of training, injury or not, he will still go in and he never takes time off not even on vacation.

In regards to diet he EATS super clean all year long, his off-season diet looks like my pre-contest diet.
I hear lots of people that say they eat clean all year long, but that bullshit, its not like how Doug does it, the man has adapted his body to be the ideal muscle building machine.  If most people worked as hard as him believe me there would be some massive guys walking around!

I am proud to consider him and his wife real good friends!


Oh and by the way, he has NEVER failed a polygraph or a piss test (and he is tested at EVERY show), oh and as an IFPA pro he is tested in the off-season by surprise.  Sorry you fuckers, but keep living in your sheltered world of "anyone who is big is juicing", this why you will never go further than your 130 lbs physique!"

BIG ACH

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Re: Ideal natural physique
« Reply #130 on: February 16, 2009, 01:34:40 PM »
Yeah, you`re just a fucking MONSTER Ach...



Thanks dude!


But I've never referred to myself as that!  ;)  But thanks bro! ::)


Post your pic big guy?

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Re: Ideal natural physique
« Reply #131 on: February 16, 2009, 01:38:54 PM »


all of these guys... had help.

The guy on the left is Kareem "Reemo" Petteway

IFPA Pro

And Former WNBF Pro Champion!!

Another good friend and a great guy!


Here is a pic of me and Reemo, and Doug in the back!




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Re: Ideal natural physique
« Reply #132 on: February 16, 2009, 01:40:27 PM »
Has it dawned on any of you brainiacs that maybe Doug is not like most people?  That maybe is he is one of those very rare individuals who combines superior genetics, superior work ethic, and also pays meticulous attention to his diets and supplements?  Could it be that is why he has risen to the top of his sport?

You assume Doug must be on drugs because none of you dingleberries, or any of the dingleberries you train with at your local gyms, looks like him.  But mabye the reason no one at your gym looks like one of the best pro natural bodybuilders in the country is because... follow me now... none of the top natural pros train at your gym.  There are only a handful of them... but thousands of gyms. 

How many of you have ever been to a natural bodybuilding show?  How many have been to a pro natural show?  Do any of you retards even know what some of the other top naturals look like?

You all think Doug looks too good to be natural, but believe it or not, he didn't win his last show, which was the IFPA Yorton Cup in 2007.  He lost to this guy:





Pretty good, huh?  Is he also on drugs... and therefore a liar and a cheat? (Maybe you should tell him that if you ever meet him in person.  He's a U.S. Marine.  That should be an interesting conversation.)

Here's the two of them together:





Here's the top three from that show:





At these shows, the competitors are polygraphed and the winners have to pass a urinalysis before they are officially declared the winner.  Are the IFPA officials who run the show liars and cheats?  And also the judges... the polygraph examiners... and the lab workers who do the urinalysis?  That's what you have to believe if you think Doug could compete in this contest and not be natural.

Get over your jealousy boys and hit the wieghts a little harder.  Oh... and since everyone here is so concerned with the training credentials of people posting, I can squat 355 and deadlift 435... and that's at 42 years old!



Gayer than worshipping Nasser.

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Re: Ideal natural physique
« Reply #133 on: February 16, 2009, 01:43:43 PM »


I'd say you guys have no problem getting laid  8)

Reemo sure as hell gets more pussy than the AMTRAK Train's hauls weed trafficers!!!

Doug's got a wife, and so do I.  So we're done :-D

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Re: Ideal natural physique
« Reply #134 on: February 16, 2009, 01:46:57 PM »
Doug Miller is the hardest working Natural (YES NATURAL) bodybuilder I have ever met.  I've never seen someone so meticulous (or should I say anal) about his dieting and training as Doug is. 
In regards to training, Doug will NEVER, and I mean NEVER miss a day of training, injury or not, he will still go in and he never takes time off not even on vacation.

In regards to diet he EATS super clean all year long, his off-season diet looks like my pre-contest diet.
I hear lots of people that say they eat clean all year long, but that bullshit, its not like how Doug does it, the man has adapted his body to be the ideal muscle building machine.  If most people worked as hard as him believe me there would be some massive guys walking around!

I am proud to consider him and his wife real good friends!


Oh and by the way, he has NEVER failed a polygraph or a piss test (and he is tested at EVERY show), oh and as an IFPA pro he is tested in the off-season by surprise.  Sorry you fuckers, but keep living in your sheltered world of "anyone who is big is juicing", this why you will never go further than your 130 lbs physique!"

BIG ACH



Thanks for the reply. Getbiggers are notorious for being envious and couch potatoes. 90% of getbiggers don't even look like they lift weights, and they sit at home claiming that a toned 185lb guy "obviously uses steroids". It's pathetic. Most people denying that Doug is a natural don't even lift weights.

(No doubt they have replied to you with more B.S. and skepticism fueled by their jealousy)

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Re: Ideal natural physique
« Reply #135 on: February 16, 2009, 01:47:39 PM »
WHY did you guys do that??

Well I've known my wife since we were in 8th grade and have dated almost that entire time (we're both 26 now), Its a sap story so thats that.

I think Doug's wife was the only one who can handle that big guy LOL

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Re: Ideal natural physique
« Reply #136 on: February 16, 2009, 01:49:34 PM »


Thanks for the reply. Getbiggers are notorious for being envious and couch potatoes. 90% of getbiggers don't even look like they lift weights, and they sit at home claiming that a toned 185lb guy "obviously uses steroids". It's pathetic. Most people denying that Doug is a natural don't even lift weights.

(No doubt they have replied to you with more B.S. and skepticism fueled by their jealousy)

Doug is one of my best friends in the natural bodybuilding circuit, he's a stand up guy, and so respectable, I think of most people meet him they will be taken back by his persnality and how well spoken he is.  Just a good guy!

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Re: Ideal natural physique
« Reply #137 on: February 16, 2009, 01:50:38 PM »
I didn't mean quantity wise its like my pre-contest diet, I meant QUALITY wise, he eats SUPER clean in the off-season.  Hell, his off-season diet is BETTER than my pre-contest diet, cause I will cheat during pre-contest.

I think he downs over 4000 calories in the off-season but REALLY REALLY REALLY clean.   Its almost annoying, anytime we hang out he scans the menu to get absolutely healthiest thing, if its not there he will alter so much on a dish just to make sure its bodybuilder approved (THIS IS OFF-SEASON).

I used to train with him, and he was just insane, I thought I was crazy in the gym, but he is a freaking monster.  Just goes in there, Lifts heavy shit and gets out, no BSing no socializing, nothing!

I really respect him, the man just gets it!

And to top it off the man graduated college top of his class with a 4.0 GPA with a double major in Economics and Microbiology!!!!!!!!

Fucking does everything the righ way down to a T, he is one of those crazy perfectionists.


That's fantastic. Most people here spend 10 hours a day online posting bullshit and have no conception of what "hard work" really is. So they attack the accomplishments of others, because they can't accept the fact that they aren't that good.

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Re: Ideal natural physique
« Reply #138 on: February 16, 2009, 01:52:22 PM »
unfortunately diet and training can NOT overcome genetics. some of these guys people claim are natural... display development combined with low bodyfat that's impossible to achieve without help from drugs.

you guys say so and so trains really hard and has his diet nailed blah blah... that's all irrelevant - you cant out train genetics.

its takes drugs.. just accept the fact. show me a guy who's massive... and ripped - 9 times out of ten this guy uses drugs.



90% of guys who are massive and ripped use drugs?

Hahaha. Holy shit, You're living in a dreamland.

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Re: Ideal natural physique
« Reply #139 on: February 16, 2009, 01:55:12 PM »
you should have me paint your wife then... I'm an artist. www.myspace.com/flawedbrilliance

she'll love you forever if you get her painting done... plus you could help feed me.


 :o WOW your paintings are beautiful!!!!  I'll talk to my wife, but I doubt she'll be up for it!!! LOL

You can paint me, I'll drive my wife crazy and hang a pic up of myself right in our living room  ;D  If you sculpt, woulda had you do a bronze statue for my front yard too :-)  I think then I'd be living outside with it hahaha

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Re: Ideal natural physique
« Reply #140 on: February 16, 2009, 02:03:33 PM »
Gayer than worshipping Nasser.

Doug is my friend and occassional workout partner.  That makes me gay???  Man, this place is weird.

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Re: Ideal natural physique
« Reply #141 on: February 16, 2009, 02:03:54 PM »
you're right... I must be delusional. massively ripped men - drug free are everywhere you look. I guess I getter become a little more observant.

but you were never massive or ripped - because you simply didn't feel like it.


You have a comprehension problem. I never said that "massively ripped men are everywhere". I said that your claim that "90% of massive and ripped bodybuilders are using drugs" is utter bullshit.

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Re: Ideal natural physique
« Reply #142 on: February 16, 2009, 02:04:52 PM »
Also I think its important to note that Doug Competes at about 185 lbs.

You wanna tell me that a natural cannot do that????

You and writerman are fools and/or liars. Likely both. This argument is proof.


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Re: Ideal natural physique
« Reply #143 on: February 16, 2009, 02:06:35 PM »
I said that your claim that "90% of massive and ripped bodybuilders are using drugs" is utter bullshit.

What is you bodybuilding experience, how long have you been training, do you associate with a lot of competitive bodybuilders, etc?

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Re: Ideal natural physique
« Reply #144 on: February 16, 2009, 02:07:00 PM »
You and writerman are fools and/or liars. Likely both. This argument is proof.




And you're an envious asshole with no class.

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Re: Ideal natural physique
« Reply #145 on: February 16, 2009, 02:13:01 PM »
Oh and by the way, he has NEVER failed a polygraph or a piss test (and he is tested at EVERY show), oh and as an IFPA pro he is tested in the off-season by surprise.  Sorry you fuckers, but keep living in your sheltered world of "anyone who is big is juicing", this why you will never go further than your 130 lbs physique!"

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First of all I bet there's no testing or very little if so. And if you claim there's a lot of testing where the hell is the money coming from for these tests? Get fuckin real! Do you know what it costs?

Secondly, I took a look at this IFPA fed and it rules.
http://www.theocbwebsite.com/forms/DrugTestingGuidelines.pdf

Lots of anabolic steroids were perfectly fine to use just a year or two ago. What do you say about that?

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« Reply #146 on: February 16, 2009, 02:15:37 PM »

And you're an envious asshole with no class.

Liars have no class. You seem to be somewhat of a newbie (could be wrong) so it might just be a case of not knowing the reality of the situation, so I won't call you a liar yet. Maybe you don't know any better.

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Re: Ideal natural physique
« Reply #147 on: February 16, 2009, 02:31:37 PM »
I'm sure Doug Miller himself would have a good laugh at all of the jealous couch potatoes on here claiming he's a steroid user.

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« Reply #148 on: February 16, 2009, 02:35:17 PM »
I'm sure Doug Miller himself would have a good laugh at all of the jealous couch potatoes on here claiming he's a steroid user.

What's your personal bodybuilding experience? How long have you been following bodybuilding? Do you have many years of personally observing what drugs do to a persons physique?

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Re: Ideal natural physique
« Reply #149 on: February 16, 2009, 02:36:44 PM »
I'm sure Doug Miller himself would have a good laugh at all of the jealous couch potatoes on here claiming he's a steroid user.

Kinda like we laugh at twunts that think just because someone claims to be streroid free, then they must be, right?  Oh wait, they are tested....so are olympic athletes...some of the most juiced on the planet.  Dumbass...