Ideal natural physique

[TacoBell]

You must have an awesome physique.  What was the last show you did?

Havnt competed in several years...and yes I've posted pics.

[Writerman]

Havnt competed in several years...and yes I've posted pics.

Ok, I tried a search... but you have 20 pages of posts.  Not really interested in scrolling through all that.

[Van_Bilderass]

Writerman and liberalismo, if Doug used all these OTC designer steroids available before they were banned would you still consider him lifetime drug free?

[TacoBell]

Ok, I tried a search... but you have 20 pages of posts.  Not really interested in scrolling through all that.

This isnt about me anyway, its about guys who claim natural status because otherwise they'd be no one in the bodybuilding industry....

[Writerman]

Writerman and liberalismo, if Doug used all these OTC designer steroids available before they were banned would you still consider him lifetime drug free?

In all honesty, I don't know what these products are. Tell me the names of the products/compounds and I will ask him if he took them.  Not sure you will believe me either way... but I will ask him.

[Writerman]

This isnt about me anyway, its about guys who claim natural status because otherwise they'd be no one in the bodybuilding industry....

All of a sudden you are shy?! 

You came on here boasting about how big you are/were.  Why don't you tell me the name of the last show you did and how you placed?

[Van_Bilderass]

In all honesty, I don't know what these products are. Tell me the names of the products/compounds and I will ask him if he took them.  Not sure you will believe me either way... but I will ask him.

Things like "1-AD", "Superdrol", "M1T", "Phera-Plex" etc. Bonafide steroids that only became banned fairly recently. The rule book of the fed he competes in mentions them.

Cannot have been used after January 19, 2005¹
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1-Testosterone / 1-dihydrotestosterone / 1-Androstendiol (e.g.1-AD)/1-Androstendione
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4-Hydroxytestosterone / Formestane
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Androstendione / Androstendiol (e.g. 4-AD) / (T/E Ratio > 6)
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Bolasterone
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Calusterone
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Furazabol
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Mestanolone
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Methyl-1-testosterone (e.g. M1T)
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Nandrolone / 19-Norandrostendione / 19-Norandrostendiol
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Norclostebol
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Norethandrolone / Ethylestrenol
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Stenbolone
¹ The Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2004 went into effect January 20, 2005. The bill added a number of “prohormones” and “prosteriods” to the list of illegal anabolic steroids previously established. The new additions became banned substances with OCB effective January 20, 2005. A complete list of banned substances included in the Act can be found online at http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:S.2195:
Cannot have been used after January 1, 2006²
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Desoxymethyltestosterone (DMT) (e.g. Pheraplex, Ergomax, Methyl-Plex, etc)
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Methasterone (e.g. Superdrol, Methyl Masterdrol, and Methyl-Drol XT)
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Prostanozol (e.g. Orastan-E)
² Designer steroids that were being legally sold over-the-counter as supplements became banned with the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) effective January 1, 2006 and subsequently became banned substances with OCB effective that date as well.
Cannot have been used after January 1, 2007³[/u]
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Estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione / 19-norandrosta-4,9-diene-3,17-dione (e.g. FiniGenX Magnum, Tren Extreme)
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6a-Methylandrostendione / 17-hydroxy-6-alpha methyl-ethyletiochalon-3,20 dione (e.g. M1P)
³ Supplements that were/are being legally sold over-the-counter that contain ingredients screened for in the urinalysis procedure that became banned substances with OCB effective January 1, 2007.

So as you see several designer steroids were fine to use not that long ago.

[liberalismo]

ProHormones were banned years ago, and If he used them at the time then they would have little effect on his current physique. I used ProHormones before they were banned and it did nothing for me. I don't know what Doug has used, but like Writerman said, ask him and he'll tell you.

Also, TacoBell. You're the one calling people out to post pictures yet you're afraid to post your current pictures? Hmmm.

[liberalismo]

Things like "1-AD", "Superdrol", "M1T", "Phera-Plex" etc. Bonafide steroids that only became banned fairly recently. The rule book of the fed he competes in mentions them.

Those aren't real steroids. They are precursors which don't work that well to begin with. I don't know if Doug ever used such things, but maybe he'll come here and clarify what he has and hasn't used in his life.

Though, even if he used prohormones several years ago, they would have little effect on his current physique, nullifying any relevancy that has to my argument that his current physique can be attained naturally.

[TacoBell]

I've posted my pics...I've shown who I am to certain members on this board, those members are respected, you guys are not.
I dont have competitor stars cause I dont want them.
Ron knows what circle I ran in.
I wish to maintain my anonymity for personal reasons.
Hope this helps.

[Van_Bilderass]

Those aren't real steroids. They are precursors which don't work that well to begin with. I don't know if Doug ever used such things, but maybe he'll come here and clarify what he has and hasn't used in his life.

Though, even if he used prohormones several years ago, they would have little effect on his current physique, nullifying any relevancy that has to my argument that his current physique can be attained naturally.

They are real steroids and many credible people have testified that M1T for example is the strongest oral they have used. Including things like Dianabol and Anadrol. There's a reason M1T was on steroid dealer lists after the ban.

If someone has used them it reveals a certain mindset = you have no problem using hormones as long as they aren't expressly banned. There are a bunch of hormones still not on those lists so there are still ways to drug yourself while claiming "natural". The fact that Doug sells the stimulant means he isn't above using experimental psychoactive drugs either. As long as it's not on the banned list. I did a search on bb.com and he is on there asking if a certain hormone derivative is fine to use and if it will cause you to test positive. He has the druggie mindset.

[TacoBell]

They are real steroids and many credible people have testified that M1T for example is the strongest oral they have used. Including things like Dianabol and Anadrol.

If someone has used them it reveals a certain mindset = you have no problem using hormones as long as they aren't expressly banned. There are a bunch of hormones still not on those lists so there are still ways to drug yourself while claiming "natural". The fact that Doug sells the stimulant means he isn't above using experimental psychoactive drugs either. As long as it's not on the banned list. I did a search on bb.com and he is on there asking if a certain hormone derivative is fine to use and if it will cause you to test positive. He has the druggie mindset.

M1t was absolutely the most potent shit I ever took, bar none.

[Writerman]

I've posted my pics...I've shown who I am to certain members on this board, those members are respected, you guys are not.
I dont have competitor stars cause I dont want them.
Ron knows what circle I ran in.
I wish to maintain my anonymity for personal reasons.
Hope this helps.

FAIL.

If you want to maintain your anonymity maybe you shouldn't go around calling out people and bragging about how much bigger you are. LOL  What a joke.

[TacoBell]

FAIL.

If you want to maintain your anonymity maybe you shouldn't go around calling out people and bragging about how much bigger you are. LOL  What a joke.

Why not, respected members can back me up?
And who did I call out?  I said they're arent natural, and they're not.
And who the fvck are you to make suggestions anyway....NOOB
 

[Writerman]

Why not, respected members can back me up?
And who did I call out?  I said they're arent natural, and they're not.
And who the fvck are you to make suggestions anyway....NOOB
 

Dude, you are a joke. 

Anyone who posts this...

Dear Mr. 4 Posts,
Hi, I'm bigger than all the people you post pictures of, BIG ACH, and you.
Do you know why all these guys claim natural status?
Because as 'bodybuilders' they are nothing special.  Therefore they try to make themselves something, by qualifying themselves as natural.
They think, 'hey I have a physique that would be impressive if I was clean'.
No one would ever discuss them if they competed in the NPC.
Oh, and dudes wife is blatantly a user too.
See, some people here may indeed be foolish enough to buy into this crap, but not all of us.
In closing, Hi doug.

... should be prepared to back up his words with pictures. 

You obviously wont.

FAIL

[TacoBell]

^^^^^^
Again, you = nobody.
I dont give a shit what Mr. 4 posts thinks.
Good luck to you.

[Writerman]

^^^^^^
Again, you = nobody.
I dont give a shit what Mr. 4 posts thinks.
Good luck to you.

956 posts.  So what?  That entitles you to what, exactly???

You bragged about how big you are, but won't post pics.  Speaks for itself!!

[liberalismo]

I've posted my pics...I've shown who I am to certain members on this board, those members are respected, you guys are not.
I dont have competitor stars cause I dont want them.
Ron knows what circle I ran in.
I wish to maintain my anonymity for personal reasons.
Hope this helps.

If I had a dime for every time I've heard this excuse from someone online, I'd be a goddamn millionaire!

I freely admit that I'm an old 6'1" 160lb skinny guy way past his prime. This is no hidden fact. I don't claim anything.


If you claim anything, Pictures are necessary. Copping out with how you only post pictures to certain members is the most pathetic thing I've seen in this thread. It seems that you're reluctant for personal reasons..which are in fact the fact that you know your physique doesn't stand up.

[liberalismo]

They are real steroids and many credible people have testified that M1T for example is the strongest oral they have used. Including things like Dianabol and Anadrol. There's a reason M1T was on steroid dealer lists after the ban.

If someone has used them it reveals a certain mindset = you have no problem using hormones as long as they aren't expressly banned. There are a bunch of hormones still not on those lists so there are still ways to drug yourself while claiming "natural". The fact that Doug sells the stimulant means he isn't above using experimental psychoactive drugs either. As long as it's not on the banned list. I did a search on bb.com and he is on there asking if a certain hormone derivative is fine to use and if it will cause you to test positive. He has the druggie mindset.

That's crazy talk. I used M1T for several weeks several years ago, while still keeping my same strict routine and diet, and I didn't gain anything. It gave me Acne and slight nipple swelling, but I didn't gain any muscle or loose any fat. Pointless it was.

[TacoBell]

If I had a dime for every time I've heard this excuse from someone online, I'd be a goddamn millionaire!

I freely admit that I'm an old 6'1" 160lb skinny guy way past his prime. This is no hidden fact. I don't claim anything.


If you claim anything, Pictures are necessary. Copping out with how you only post pictures to certain members is the most pathetic thing I've seen in this thread. It seems that you're reluctant for personal reasons..which are in fact the fact that you know your physique doesn't stand up.

Buddy, you dont get it.
I've posted pics, plenty of times.
Its just that neither of you two homos deserve the satisfaction of thinking you are important enough that I should prove myself to you.
Sorry.

[Emmortal]

That's crazy talk. I used M1T for several weeks several years ago, while still keeping my same strict routine and diet, and I didn't gain anything. It gave me Acne and slight nipple swelling, but I didn't gain any muscle or loose any fat. Pointless it was.

M1T is without a steroid so is Superdrol.  The thousands of people who have used them, including myself, can readily attest to their extreme effectiveness.  Sorry but the only crazy talk going on is your epic denial.

[Van_Bilderass]

That's crazy talk. I used M1T for several weeks several years ago, while still keeping my same strict routine and diet, and I didn't gain anything. It gave me Acne and slight nipple swelling, but I didn't gain any muscle or loose any fat. Pointless it was.

So what are you saying? M1T is not an anabolic steroid?

Here's a pubmed entry for a steroid which was sold under names such as "Phera-Plex" etc. Also fine to use a couple of years ago in Doug's fed (banned Jan of 07). 

Toxicol Lett. 2007 Feb 28;169(1):64-71. Epub 2006 Dec 27.Click here to read Links
    Characterisation of the pharmacological profile of desoxymethyltestosterone (Madol), a steroid misused for doping.
    Diel P, Friedel A, Geyer H, Kamber M, Laudenbach-Leschowsky U, Schänzer W, Thevis M, Vollmer G, Zierau O.

    Center for Preventive Doping Research, Institute of Cardiovascular Research and Sports Medicine, Department of Molecular and Cellular Sports Medicine, German Sports University Cologne, 50927 Cologne, Germany. diel@dshs-koeln.de

    Desoxymethyltestosterone (DMT), also known as Madol, is a steroid recently identified to be misused as a doping agent. Since, the knowledge of functions of this substance is rather limited, it was our aim to characterise the pharmacological profile of DMT and to identify potential adverse side effects. DMT was synthesised, its purity was confirmed and its biological activity was tested. The potency of Madol (DMT) to transactivate androgen receptor (AR) dependent reporter gene expression was two times lower as compared to dihydrotestosterone (DHT). Receptor binding tests demonstrate that DMT binds with high selectivity to the AR, binding to the progesterone receptor (PR) was low. In vivo experiments in orchiectomised rats demonstrated that treatment with DMT resulted only in a stimulation of the weight of the levator ani muscle; the prostate and seminal vesicle weights remained unaffected. Like testosterone, administration of DMT resulted in a stimulation of IGF-1 and myostatin mRNA expression in the gastrocnemius muscle. In the prostate proliferation was stimulated by TP (testosteronepropionate), but remained unaffected by DMT. Remarkably, treatment with DMT, in contrast to TP, resulted in a significant increase of the heart weight. In the liver, DMT slightly stimulates the expression of the tyrosine aminotransferase gene (TAT). Our results demonstrate that DMT is a potent AR agonist with an anabolic activity. Besides the levator ani weight, DMT also modulates the gene expression in the musculus gastrocnemius. The observed stimulation of TAT expression in the liver and the significant increase of the heart weight after DMT treatment can be taken as an indication for side effects. Summarizing these data it is obvious that DMT is a powerful anabolic steroid with selective androgen receptor modulators (SARM) like properties and some indications for toxic side effects. Therefore, there is a need for a strict control of a possible misuse.

[Fatpanda]

i've never taken m1t - can someone tell me what its like - sides, gains, how it stacks up against dbol, adrol, winny etc?

thanks

[TacoBell]

i've never taken m1t - can someone tell me what its like - sides, gains, how it stacks up against dbol, adrol, winny etc?

thanks

Shits like anadrol on steroids. 

[bigdave]

just post the pic