Author Topic: The Stimulus Package (Read 17614 times)

MB · « **Reply #75 on:** February 16, 2009, 11:08:35 AM »

The government needs to drastically reduce spending. The stimulus bill is just more spending. What happens when our debt is unpayable? The quality of life we see around us in the US is just a mirage. What if we all had to chip in today to pay our share of the national debt? Most would be bankrupt and homeless.

Straw Man · « **Reply #76 on:** February 16, 2009, 11:15:54 AM »

we definitely should have done a "pay as you go" for the war in Iraq.

Can you imagine how quick that would have been done if everyone received a monthly bill

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #77 on:** February 16, 2009, 11:17:55 AM »

Quote from: Straw Man on February 16, 2009, 11:15:54 AM

we definitely should have done a "pay as you go" for the war in Iraq.

Can you imagine how quick that would have been done if everyone received a monthly bill

Yet you dont want that for welfare or domestic contractors who are going to defraud the taxpayer?

shootfighter1 · « **Reply #78 on:** February 16, 2009, 11:33:22 AM »

Yes, gov has too much power and spends too much. The founding fathers warned of this. Bush f'ed us by going into iraq, pelosi and her buddies are f'ing us more by this overspending bill that sneaks in more gov control of things. That medical provision snuck in there...what a bunch of underhanded leaders. I do not trust the democratic leaders of the congress one bit after this fiasco! The repubs has a much better plan...but where were they the last 7 yrs!

shootfighter1 · « **Reply #79 on:** February 16, 2009, 11:36:17 AM »

No one is talking enough about the amount of debt this bill (plus the next one...yes, obama will push for more financial bailout $) will cause us. 13-14% of GDP will go just to paying interest on our debt...irresponsible.
The relatively few (and mostly transient) jobs this bill will create is certainly not worth the $ spent long term.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #80 on:** February 16, 2009, 11:40:55 AM »

I said the following to one of my lib friends:

Imagine spending 4 million dollars on the best bottle of wine ever on your credit card. Sure, you get the best high and best buzz ever for a short while. You can brag to your friends whatever what a high you got and what an amazing bottle of wine you had.

However, you are paying for that bottle of wine LONG AFTER THE BUZZ HAS WORN OFF and paying interest for a long long time.

240 is Back · « **Reply #81 on:** February 16, 2009, 11:48:42 AM »

Quote from: MB on February 16, 2009, 11:08:35 AM

The government needs to drastically reduce spending.

Wouldn't that lead to higher unemployment?

Cut govt spending = cut lots of BS jobs = unemployment spikes.

Hell, it's all play money anyway. Why not just employ everyone?

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #82 on:** February 16, 2009, 11:52:53 AM »

The govt is sucking too much of our GDP from the private sector with non-productive nonsense.

Straw Man · « **Reply #83 on:** February 16, 2009, 11:59:17 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on February 16, 2009, 11:17:55 AM

Yet you dont want that for welfare or domestic contractors who are going to defraud the taxpayer?

no I don't. Those things are part of the budget and I don't buy your premise that domestic contractors are going to defraud the taxpayer. Maybe you're thinking about the contractors in Iraq.

I made that point about the war in Iraq at the time it started back in 2003 (I didn't make it on this website).

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #84 on:** February 16, 2009, 12:04:51 PM »

Quote from: Straw Man on February 16, 2009, 11:59:17 AM

no I don't. Those things are part of the budget and I don't buy your premise that domestic contractors are going to defraud the taxpayer. Maybe you're thinking about the contractors in Iraq.

I made that point about the war in Iraq at the time it started back in 2003 (I didn't make it on this website).

Right. So Iraq contractors defraud the govt, but the domestic ones do not?

Got it. Another gem coming from a liberal in denial.

Ever hear of the "Big Dig"

Massive fraud, massive waste, massive over runs, and yes, a death due to negligence to boot.

Neurotoxin · « **Reply #85 on:** February 16, 2009, 12:18:26 PM »

Quote from: Beach Bum on February 14, 2009, 12:59:31 PM

What I want to know is where is the money coming from?

the same place George W Bush obtained his $150 Billion stimulus package....and his $700 Billion TARP program, plus his $1 Trillion+ "Iraqi program."

funny how the GOP embraced those huh?

NT

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #86 on:** February 16, 2009, 12:34:15 PM »

Quote from: Neurotoxin on February 16, 2009, 12:18:26 PM

the same place George W Bush obtained his $150 Billion stimulus package....and his $700 Billion TARP program, plus his $1 Trillion+ "Iraqi program."

funny how the GOP embraced those huh?

NT

Again, how many times do we have to do this.

GWB screwed up royally with TARP and Obama was voted to be something of change.

He is now pushing the same thing as GWB, equally as bad, and you defend it.

No one defended TARP the first time. You liberal clowns should not defend this either since it is equally as bad as TARP.

240 is Back · « **Reply #87 on:** February 16, 2009, 12:35:18 PM »

Quote from: 333386 on February 16, 2009, 12:34:15 PM

Again, how many times do we have to do this.

GWB screwed up royally with TARP and Obama was voted to be something of change.

He is now pushing the same thing as GWB, equally as bad, and you defend it.

No one defended TARP the first time. You liberal clowns should not defend this either since it is equally as bad as TARP.

ya didnt address the iraq war.

$1 tillion spent (more like 2T with longterm healthcare costs and interest on debt)

Good idea or bad idea?

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #88 on:** February 16, 2009, 12:36:23 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on February 16, 2009, 12:35:18 PM

ya didnt address the iraq war.

$1 tillion spent (more like 2T with longterm healthcare costs and interest on debt)

Good idea or bad idea?

Bad idea.

I though Obama was supposed to be this brilliant man. He is not. He is a ZERO.

He is GWB 2 and if you dont see that, I feel sorry for you.

MB · « **Reply #89 on:** February 16, 2009, 01:03:22 PM »

We can't keep propping up the economy with borrowed money. It sounds better to spend a trillion dollars in the US rather than waste it in Iraq, but the truth is that we can't afford either. The market needs a natural re-adjustment, and the government refuses to let it adjust. What happens when borrowing a trillion dollars doesn't work and we need another trillion and another?

Neurotoxin · « **Reply #90 on:** February 16, 2009, 01:05:49 PM »

Quote from: 333386 on February 16, 2009, 12:34:15 PM

Again, how many times do we have to do this.

GWB screwed up royally with TARP and Obama was voted to be something of change.

He is now pushing the same thing as GWB, equally as bad, and you defend it.

No one defended TARP the first time. You liberal clowns should not defend this either since it is equally as bad as TARP.

i was simply pointing out the GOP's hypocrisy. (btw i'm a republican)

while i do not believe obamas stimulus plan will work, i realize he must try something other than more tax cuts for people like myself.

also, if my memory serves me correctly isn't it the republicans who put our nation on the brink of economic collapse and now they're talking about deficits? that is laughable !

Ron Paul is the only politician who speaks the hard truth, yet no one listens.

NT

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #91 on:** February 16, 2009, 01:09:52 PM »

global bankers, reckless borrowers, corrupt ignorant politicians, asleep at the switch SEC and public agencies,
flippers, corrupt real estate brokers and appraisers, caused this mess.

BTW I agree with you: Ron Paul is the only politician who speaks the hard truth, yet no one listens.

Straw Man · « **Reply #92 on:** February 16, 2009, 02:06:18 PM »

Quote from: 333386 on February 16, 2009, 12:04:51 PM

Right. So Iraq contractors defraud the govt, but the domestic ones do not?

Got it. Another gem coming from a liberal in denial.

Ever hear of the "Big Dig"

Massive fraud, massive waste, massive over runs, and yes, a death due to negligence to boot.

I thought we were talking about the $$$'s from the current legislation

You know, the one that hasn't been signed yet. The one that hasn't dispersed a single penny yet.

You already know it's all going to corrupt contractors?

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #93 on:** February 16, 2009, 02:20:27 PM »

Quote from: Straw Man on February 16, 2009, 02:06:18 PM

I thought we were talking about the $$$'s from the current legislation

You know, the one that hasn't been signed yet. The one that hasn't dispersed a single penny yet.

You already know it's all going to corrupt contractors?

Naive should be your second name.

Katrina - massive fraud.
Iraq - massive fraud
Big Dig - massive fraud
Tarp - money paying bonuses to execs and no accountability
Medicaid - massive fraudulent spending
EITC - illegal collecting $$$$

YET

You think there will be no fraud with Obama's spending bill?

Got it.

tu_holmes · « **Reply #94 on:** February 16, 2009, 02:23:40 PM »

Quote from: 333386 on February 16, 2009, 02:20:27 PM

Naive should be your second name.

Katrina - massive fraud.
Iraq - massive fraud
Big Dig - massive fraud
Tarp - money paying bonuses to execs and no accountability
Medicaid - massive fraudulent spending
EITC - illegal collecting $$$$

YET

You think there will be no fraud with Obama's spending bill?

Got it.

I don't think you can convict someone for a crime that you "believe" they may commit.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #95 on:** February 16, 2009, 02:37:02 PM »

Quote from: tu_holmes on February 16, 2009, 02:23:40 PM

I don't think you can convict someone for a crime that you "believe" they may commit.

You liberals are completely devoid of ANY common sense.

If almost every other previous massive spending endeavor by the govt was and is plagued by waste fraud and abuse, what do you think the odds of this being plaqued by the same thing?

75% - 100% at least.

Also, lets look who is going to admn these funds:

Arnold in CA?

Patterson in NY?

Illinois???

The states have shown themselves equally incompetent in handling money as the fed gov.

stormshadow · « **Reply #96 on:** February 16, 2009, 02:38:43 PM »

Quote from: Neurotoxin on February 16, 2009, 01:05:49 PM

i was simply pointing out the GOP's hypocrisy. (btw i'm a republican)

while i do not believe obamas stimulus plan will work, i realize he must try something other than more tax cuts for people like myself.

also, if my memory serves me correctly isn't it the republicans who put our nation on the brink of economic collapse and now they're talking about deficits? that is laughable !

Ron Paul is the only politician who speaks the hard truth, yet no one listens.

NT

yes, it's laughable how they all voted against Democrat spending, yet supported TARP and Economic stimulus before Obama took office.

tonymctones · « **Reply #97 on:** February 16, 2009, 02:41:48 PM »

Quote from: tu_holmes on February 16, 2009, 02:23:40 PM

I don't think you can convict someone for a crime that you "believe" they may commit.

LOL what has obama done to show you he is any different then the next politician out there?

tonymctones · « **Reply #98 on:** February 16, 2009, 02:46:09 PM »

Quote from: Straw Man on February 16, 2009, 10:10:38 AM

Pet Projects?

you're still hung up on thoroughly debunked talking points?

According to Repubs the stimulus won't work - i.e. it won't create any jobs so imagine how successful they could be in the 2010 election when they can claim they took no money and they can compare the results in their state with other states who did take the money. If their claim is correct then they will have the high ground in the next election. Of course the downside would be that their states would lag behind any recovery but that's a chance that they should have the balls to take. They should Walk their Talk. I'm sure their constituents would appreciate that.

You believe there are no pet projects in this bill? honestly?

they will have equal success if the stimulus doesnt work and they take the money but voted against it. The high ground will have been being right about this spending bill.

Straw Man · « **Reply #99 on:** February 16, 2009, 03:08:23 PM »

Quote from: tonymctones on February 16, 2009, 02:46:09 PM

You believe there are no pet projects in this bill? honestly?

they will have equal success if the stimulus doesnt work and they take the money but voted against it. The high ground will have been being right about this spending bill.

I don't expect any politician to turn down $$$.....ever