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Obama Gains G.O.P. Support From Governors
« on: February 17, 2009, 05:33:42 AM »
February 17, 2009
Obama Gains G.O.P. Support From Governors
By JACKIE CALMES

WASHINGTON — President Obama must wish governors could vote in Congress: While just three of the 219 Republican lawmakers backed the $787 billion economic recovery plan that he is signing into law on Tuesday, that trifling total would have been several times greater if support among the 22 Republican state executives counted.

The contrast reflects the two faces of the Republican Party these days.

Leaderless after losing the White House, the party is mostly defined by its Congressional wing, which flaunted its anti-spending ideology in opposing the stimulus package. That militancy drew the mockery of late-night television comics, but the praise of conservative talk-show stars and the party faithful.

In the states, meanwhile, many Republican governors are practicing a pragmatic — their Congressional counterparts would say less-principled — conservatism.

Governors, unlike members of Congress, have to balance their budgets each year. And that requires compromise with state legislators, including Democrats, as well as more openness to the occasional state tax increase and to deficit-spending from Washington.

Across the country, from California’s Arnold Schwarzenegger to Florida’s Charlie Crist and New England’s Jim Douglas in Vermont and M. Jodi Rell in Connecticut, Republican governors showed in the stimulus debate that they could be allies with Mr. Obama even as Congressional Republicans spurned him.

“It really is a matter of perspective,” Mr. Crist said in an interview. “As a governor, the pragmatism that you have to exercise because of the constitutional obligation to balance your budget is a very compelling pull” generally.

With Florida facing a projected $5 billion shortfall in a $66 billion budget, and social costs rising, the stimulus package “helps plug that hole,” Mr. Crist said, “but it also helps us meet the needs of the people in a very difficult economic time.”

Mr. Obama’s two-year stimulus package includes more than $135 billion for states, to help them pay for education, Medicaid and infrastructure projects. Yet even that sum would cover less than half of the total budget deficits the states will face through 2010, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a liberal research and advocacy organization.

The states’ reliance on the federal government in times of distress will be showcased this weekend, when the governors come to Washington for their annual winter meeting. Their focus will be on infrastructure needs and home foreclosures.

The disconnect between Republican members of Congress and governors recalls the mid-1990s, when Republicans took control of both the House and Senate for the first time in 40 years. After an initial public show of being partners in a “Republican revolution,” the partnership all but dissolved when governors strongly objected as the more dogmatic conservatives in Congress tried to cut domestic programs and then shut down the federal government in an unsuccessful showdown with President Bill Clinton.

Recently, Governors Schwarzenegger, Crist, Douglas and Rell joined 14 Democratic governors in signing a letter to Mr. Obama lauding his economic plan. Other Republicans would have signed on, said a person familiar with the letter’s drafting, but for party pressure in their states.

The National Governors Association sent a bipartisan letter of support to Congressional leaders of both parties, signed by its Democratic chairman, Edward G. Rendell of Pennsylvania, and Mr. Douglas, its Republican vice chairman. “The combination of funds for Medicaid, education and other essential services is critical for governors as they work to manage the downturn in their states and improve government for the long term,” it said.

Mr. Crist even campaigned last week with Mr. Obama in Florida for the recovery package.

“Whether it’s teachers or people on road crews helping our infrastructure, those in the health care arena as it might relate to Medicaid, all of these areas are important, all of them can produce jobs,” Mr. Crist said, adding, “Regardless of what your party is, Republican or Democrat, it really doesn’t matter. We have a duty and an obligation to the people who elected us, no matter what our position happens to be, to work together to get through this thing.”

Yet all 16 of Florida’s Republicans in Congress voted against the package. Representative Cliff Stearns condemned it during the final debate as an “unprecedented big-government grab for citizen reliance on the federal government.” Joe Scarborough, a former Republican congressman from Florida, called the bill “a steaming pile of garbage” on his cable television talk show.

The House Republican leader, John A. Boehner of Ohio, angrily dumped the 1,073-page bill to the floor during debate. In the Senate, John McCain of Arizona called it “nothing less than generational theft.” And Republicans in both chambers derided what they described, often misleadingly, as pork spending for the likes of marsh mouse preservation.

Many projects, however, reflected the job-creation wish lists that governors had sent in.

Utah’s Republican governor, Jon Huntsman Jr. sought up to $14.4 billion for roads, rail and sewer projects and for construction of a prison, courthouses and veterans’ nursing homes. Gov. Bob Riley of Alabama, another Republican, came to Washington to discuss transportation projects with his state’s Congressional delegation. “He’s going to make sure Alabama doesn’t miss out on the money we’re entitled to,” a spokesman said.

Mr. Obama began courting the governors before taking office. He invited them to Independence Hall in Philadelphia in December to discuss the economic challenges. Nearly all accepted.

In his opening remarks, Mr. Obama had “a special word” for the Republicans: “I offer you the same hand of friendship and cooperation that I offer our Democratic governors.” He deferred to Mr. Douglas, the Vermont Republican, to steer the discussion.

Privately, Republicans favorably contrasted Mr. Obama with the outgoing Republican president, George W. Bush, according to two participants.

Though Mr. Bush had been a governor — in good economic times — his relations with state executives were distant at best. Amid a downturn early in the decade, he unsuccessfully opposed $20 billion for the states. Last fall, he resisted some Republicans’ pleas for aid.

Mr. Douglas in January sought a meeting with the new administration at the White House office that is a liaison to governors. Instead, he got an Oval Office meeting with Mr. Obama.

When reporters briefly came in — the two men flanked the fireplace just as presidents and foreign heads of state typically do — Mr. Douglas praised Mr. Obama for his leadership. The stimulus bill “might be a little different” if he had written it, the Republican said. “But the essence of a recovery package is essential to get our nation’s economy moving.”
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Re: Obama Gains G.O.P. Support From Governors
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2009, 05:59:50 AM »
Everyone is looking for handout rather than make spending cuts. 

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Re: Obama Gains G.O.P. Support From Governors
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2009, 06:31:04 AM »
it'll make it harder for one of them to challenge him in 2012 with the repub nod.

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« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2009, 06:33:38 AM »
The GOP has only itself to blame for the position it is in by not calling out GWB for all those years and by not policing itself properly. 

That is why, despite your obsession, I think someone like Palin, provided she takes the right steps over the next two years, may be the one to beat ZERO the Tyrant. 

And dont get me started about about hope and change.  I already posted about his plan to abridge free speech rights and card check.     

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« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2009, 06:42:29 AM »
That is why, despite your obsession, I think someone like Palin, provided she takes the right steps over the next two years, may be the one to beat ZERO the Tyrant. 

Palin's a dingbat.  many republicans came fwd in 2008 to say she was incompetent, and you know far more believed it without saying anything.  All the repubs need is for a COMPETENT person with a little excitement - and a lot less religious zealoutry - arrive on the scene.

Plus, her hometown newspaper is all over this baby thing again... it seems Palin didn't even tell her family she was pregnant.  Yes.  That's her new story.  She was skinny minnie for the whole pregnancy, and nobody knew.  At the same time her own daughter was absent from school 6 months and had a fender bender in front of a maternity office in the middle... yeahhhh.... 

If it comes out that the kid was a lie, she'll very quickly become an obscure footnote in history and out of the 2012 race.  And you've all seen the pics of her preggo last time - big as a house - and this time - skinny as a rail in airport pics taken the very night she gave birth - and it's a load of shit.  Just give it time, and some reporter will crack the story.

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Re: Obama Gains G.O.P. Support From Governors
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2009, 06:54:26 AM »
They've had plenty of time, money and effort to crack this story. Its over.
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Re: Obama Gains G.O.P. Support From Governors
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2009, 07:04:09 AM »
They've had plenty of time, money and effort to crack this story. Its over.

ahhhh yes.  disappearing birth certificates and such are not such a clue.

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« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2009, 07:06:00 AM »
I could care less about the BC issue.

Abridging Free Speech
Card Check
Spending a trillion on welfare
Appointing tax cheats to his cabinet
Dropping the charges against the cole bombers

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Re: Obama Gains G.O.P. Support From Governors
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2009, 07:09:30 AM »
I think someone like Palin, provided she takes the right steps over the next two years, may be the one to beat ZERO the Tyrant. 
    

If that is your belief, perhaps you should pack a FOURTH survival duffle bag.

Palin has already been jockeying Obama for some moolah herself.

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« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2009, 07:12:46 AM »
Look, I voted for Romney in the primary.  I hoped McCain would pick him as the VP, and still think Romney would probably be the guy.

My heart is with Ron Paul, but I just dont think he is palatable to the tens of millions of people looking for free stuff from the government. 

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« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2009, 07:27:15 AM »
Look, I voted for Romney in the primary.  I hoped McCain would pick him as the VP, and still think Romney would probably be the guy.

My heart is with Ron Paul, but I just dont think he is palatable to the tens of millions of people looking for free stuff from the government. 

The Paul Ron fella...he's the crackpot congressman from TX, right? I hear he'll be 76 in 2012.  :-\
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« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2009, 07:32:37 AM »
The Paul Ron fella...he's the crackpot congressman from TX, right? I hear he'll be 76 in 2012.  :-\

Tyrants like yourself love to point the finger at people who want to follow the constitution and the limits it imposes on the government. 

Tell me, what makes Ron Paul a crack pot????


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Re: Obama Gains G.O.P. Support From Governors
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2009, 07:35:07 AM »
The Paul Ron fella...he's the crackpot congressman from TX, right? I hear he'll be 76 in 2012.  :-\

The market sure is behaving postivly to Obama's plan. HAHAHAHAHAHA I'm gonna start placing bets on when you'll hang yourself.

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« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2009, 07:42:56 AM »
I hoped McCain would pick him as the VP, and still think Romney would probably be the guy.

He should have.

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« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2009, 07:45:13 AM »
The market sure is behaving postivly to Obama's plan. HAHAHAHAHAHA I'm gonna start placing bets on when you'll hang yourself.
 
hilarious!  ;D

I knew it would be less than five minutes before the poster who lives on this board and clings to Paul Ron's nuts tighter than one of his pubic hairs would respond.  ::)
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« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2009, 07:52:28 AM »
 
hilarious!  ;D

I knew it would be less than five minutes before the poster who lives on this board and clings to Paul Ron's nuts tighter than one of his pubic hairs would respond.  ::)

Please post another economy saving message from your chocolate God. hahahahahahaha

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« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2009, 07:55:38 AM »
Please post another economy saving message from your chocolate God. hahahahahahaha

Everyone with a brain knows Obama is just a fraud, a liar, a communist, a tyrant, and

HAS NO FREAKING CLUE WHAT THE HELL HE IS DOING!

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« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2009, 07:57:36 AM »
Everyone with a brain knows Obama is just a fraud, a liar, a communist, a tyrant, and

HAS NO FREAKING CLUE WHAT THE HELL HE IS DOING!

Your talents are wasted on GB.com

Have you considered running for office?


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« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2009, 08:00:02 AM »
Your talents are wasted on GB.com

Have you considered running for office?



No, I run two small businesses that I started from nothing.  Most of my work is on the phone, fax, and computer. 

I post while I am on conference calls and the like.

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« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2009, 08:00:15 AM »
Your talents are wasted on GB.com

Have you considered running for office?



Your right Straw Man. What was he thinking?

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« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2009, 08:06:30 AM »
No, I run two small businesses that I started from nothing.  Most of my work is on the phone, fax, and computer. 

I post while I am on conference calls and the like.

More experience than a community organizer.  And the community organizer who won POTUS made landmark strides in campaigning by phone, fax, computer and text messages.  You could do better.

Hell, if the nation elected a half black mooslim who doesn't have a valid US birth certificate, who's best friend is a known terrorist and his religious beliefs are standard to the Doom America outlook, then it wouldn't matter what skeletons you have in your closet.  You should run.

333386 in 2012. 

Kind of catchy huh?  L33T speak and binary freaks will love you.  Your campaign slogan can be " A Duffel Bag In Every Car"

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« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2009, 08:10:20 AM »
Obama is going to be a failure and a Jimmy Carter 2 because he is pursuing a failed ideology of socialism and communism the same way GWB did in his second term.

Abridging Free Speech,
Undoing 1996 Welfare Reform
Environmental taxes on way
Card Check.


Deal with it.  The market is sending the signal loud and clear - OBAMA SUCKS! 
 

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Re: Obama Gains G.O.P. Support From Governors
« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2009, 08:19:52 AM »
All the better to give you a landslide victory.

Are you forming a committee soon?

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« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2009, 08:25:45 AM »
All the better to give you a landslide victory.

Are you forming a committee soon?

Dude - I am such a pain in the ass to my politicians you have no idea.  I call, fax, email, etc. 

As bad as Romeny, Palin, Jindle, Paul, Humpty Dumpty, whoever runs against Obama - they have my support. 


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Re: Obama Gains G.O.P. Support From Governors
« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2009, 08:42:56 AM »
Why not you?