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« on: February 17, 2009, 11:28:07 PM »

i used the search function and could not really find alot of info on this.
i read one guy recommended 10mg of nolva perday during the cycle...and 20mg for 10days after cycle.

i've decided to do a 6-8 week cycle of tbol at 40mg a day.

any suggestions/opinions would be much appreciated.



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« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2009, 11:44:20 PM »

i used the search function and could not really find alot of info on this.
i read one guy recommended 10mg of nolva perday during the cycle...and 20mg for 10days after cycle.

i've decided to do a 6-8 week cycle of tbol at 40mg a day.

any suggestions/opinions would be much appreciated.

Any Nolvadex you use during cycle will inhihit gains so I don't recommend it.

For PCT, 20-50MG ed is the standard range.

If you're only doing an oral cycle, I think you're going overkill on the Nolvadex.

Oral only cycles are worthless, IMO.

Pointless.


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« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2009, 03:01:07 AM »

He could use Letrozole at a small dose whilst on cycle Wink
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« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2009, 08:00:28 AM »

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I still keep gaining like crazy from oral only cycles, i have nothing against pinning, but real test is hard to come by here and since i really don't even need it why bother? Even if i sound arrogant, i truly believe that i'm an "hyper responder."

And in any case real Turinabol or any AAS for that matter is going to give you better results than any OTC product.

Ok, on to your Q, three weeks of Nolvadex at 20 mg per day is fine, also take in plenty of vitamins E and C during PCT.
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« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2009, 08:39:56 AM »

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I still keep gaining like crazy from oral only cycles, i have nothing against pinning, but real test is hard to come by here and since i really don't even need it why bother? Even if i sound arrogant, i truly believe that i'm an "hyper responder."

And in any case real Turinabol or any AAS for that matter is going to give you better results than any OTC product.

Ok, on to your Q, three weeks of Nolvadex at 20 mg per day is fine, also take in plenty of vitamins E and C during PCT.

You might be a hyper-responder, Luol.



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« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2009, 09:53:14 AM »

Any Nolvadex you use during cycle will inhihit gains so I don't recommend it.

For PCT, 20-50MG ed is the standard range.

If you're only doing an oral cycle, I think you're going overkill on the Nolvadex.

Oral only cycles are worthless, IMO.

Pointless.


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That's bullshit dude, showw me a study where Nolva inhibits gains.

And I'm not talking about water bloat/water gains. But actual lean muscle gains.
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« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2009, 10:14:42 AM »

I have an old Muscular Development mag. It has an article that W. Llewellyn has written in reference to this one study that showed Nolvadex lowering igf-1 by average of 22%. If i bother and/or find it, I'll post it. That said i have never seen any negative effects on Nolvadex, only positive.
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« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2009, 10:32:18 AM »

That's bullshit dude, showw me a study where Nolva inhibits gains.

And I'm not talking about water bloat/water gains. But actual lean muscle gains.

I don't feel like digging up a study, bro.

There are studies out there, though.....

Nolvadex will inhihit some of the gains made on a cycle, which is why I'd recommend an AI always.

Nolvadex is for PCT, only.......

HCG is versatile and can be used for either/or.


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« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2009, 08:50:07 PM »

thanks guys...u guys are awesome.  Wink
i really appreciate all the suggestions.
And if anyone else wants to chime in....by all means ,please do.
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« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2009, 11:03:26 PM »

My experience of taking Nolvadex whilst on Test E, was I felt really hot a lot of the time, maybe hot flushes?

Then finally I made the switch to Letrozole whilst on Test E, and you don't even know your taking it! I mean I had puffy nipples and they have gone away, and my gains just keep getting better!:D
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« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2009, 11:31:18 PM »

the source im getting my tbol from said that i shouldnt have to do
anything during my cycle...just post cycle.

when would i want to start taking the nolva? immediatly at the end of the cycle? or a week or 2 after?
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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2009, 12:12:38 AM »

the source im getting my tbol from said that i shouldnt have to do
anything during my cycle...just post cycle.

when would i want to start taking the nolva? immediatly at the end of the cycle? or a week or 2 after?

You should start the nolva immediately at the end of your cycle!
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« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2009, 04:15:39 AM »

My experience of taking Nolvadex whilst on Test E, was I felt really hot a lot of the time, maybe hot flushes?

Then finally I made the switch to Letrozole whilst on Test E, and you don't even know your taking it! I mean I had puffy nipples and they have gone away, and my gains just keep getting better!:D

Those are the same signs that manifest themselves when my estrogen levels are too high.  Then eventually my nips become puffy.  Apparently the Nolvadex was not doing the job for you - maybe your dose was too low.  Who knows.

But, it sounds like the Letro worked well for you. Just don't take too much...
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« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2009, 04:43:39 PM »

the source im getting my tbol from said that i shouldnt have to do
anything during my cycle...just post cycle.

when would i want to start taking the nolva? immediatly at the end of the cycle? or a week or 2 after?

You start using the Nolvadex at the end of the cycle.

It's mainly to supress any rise in estrogen at the cessation of the cycle.

You don't wait two weeks to start a weak PCT, anyway.......

Strange questions...



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« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2009, 04:17:00 AM »

Those are the same signs that manifest themselves when my estrogen levels are too high.  Then eventually my nips become puffy.  Apparently the Nolvadex was not doing the job for you - maybe your dose was too low.  Who knows.

But, it sounds like the Letro worked well for you. Just don't take too much...

High Estrogen levels can cause many side effects, and is not pleasant a lot of the time:(

My dose of nolva was 20mg per day, 10mg in the morning and 10mg again at night. But yes, perhaps my dose was too low. I have heard of someone who has been using Test E for 5 months straight, he takes nolvadex at 50mg per day and he says he has noticed no side effects from the nolva. So maybe for some people it works and for others it doesn't.

I'm still on Letrozole now at 0.3125mg per day. I have 2.5mg tablets, then I split them into 4, and take one quater every two days which equals 0.3125mg everyday. So far, so good!:D

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« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2009, 07:17:58 AM »

I don't feel like digging up a study, bro.

There are studies out there, though.....

Nolvadex will inhihit some of the gains made on a cycle, which is why I'd recommend an AI always.

Nolvadex is for PCT, only.......

HCG is versatile and can be used for either/or.





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not only have i read the same thing but i have, experienced the same as well
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« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2009, 04:42:27 PM »

your gains are going to be minimal at best on only tball
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