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Obama’s Stimulus Will Cause 'Lower Wages' for American Workers, Says Congressional Budget Office
CNSNews.com ^ | February 18, 2009 | Fred Lucas

Posted on Wednesday, February 18, 2009 7:15:14 AM by Man50D

The huge economic stimulus package that President Obama signed into law Tuesday will result in “lower wages” for American workers, according to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO).

The CBO analysis, dated Feb. 11 and sent to Sen. Judd Gregg (R-N.H.), says the $787-billion plan will increase employment in the short-term, but will run up deficit spending which will “crowd out” private investment in the economy in the long-term.

The analysis concludes that the stimulus will put downward pressure on Gross Domestic Product (GDP) and wages after 2014. (The Gross Domestic Product is the total value of all goods and services produced in the United States in one year.)

Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), the ranking Republican on the House Budget Committee, said the CBO analysis underestimates the long-term economic consequences.

“Number one, the spending spends out very slowly, so it doesn’t give you much of a pop,” Ryan told CNSNews.com. “Number two, it costs much more than advertised. Number three, at the end of the day, it would have been better to do nothing for the economy given that it [the stimulus package] will reduce GDP growth and wages.”

“I find those to be very startling estimates, very startling points and facts that simply have not been reported,” said Ryan.

In its analysis, the CBO predicts that the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act will increase GDP through 2014. However, in the following years, “the legislation is estimated to reduce GDP by between 0 and 0.2 percent.”

That decrease will not come from lack of employment, which the CBO predicts will increase by between 800,000 and 2.3 million jobs in the fourth quarter of 2009 and up to 3.6 million by the fourth quarter of 2010.

“The effect on employment is never estimated to be negative, despite lower GDP in later years, because CBO expects that the U.S. labor market will be at nearly full employment in the long run,” the CBO report states.

But the analysis adds, “The reduction in GDP is therefore estimated to be reflected in lower wages rather than lower employment, as workers will be less productive because capital stock is smaller.”

A previous CBO report said that with interest on the debt, the recovery package will cost $1.1 trillion. The Feb. 11 analysis says, “To the extent that people hold their wealth as government bonds rather than in a form that can be used to finance private investment, the increased debt would tend to reduce the stock of productive private capital.”

It continues, “In economic parlance, the debt would ‘crowd out’ private investment.” The analysis further says that “crowding out is unlikely to occur in the short run under current conditions because most firms are lowering investment in response to reduced demand, which stimulus can offset in part.”

Ryan said this will keep the economy from growing.

“When you borrow, you are going out and taking money out of the private economy, which goes to bonds,” Ryan said. “So then it’s literally taken out of the private sector and brought to the public sector.”

Another way this will decrease private investment is that it will indirectly lead to higher taxes, Ryan said.

“It’s very clear that the kind of deficits this will produce will make it next to impossible for Congress to keep tax rates low,” Ryan said. “It’s very clear that this Congress is going to use the size of the stimulus and its resulting deficit to justify higher taxes in 2011, which will reduce private sector expansion and take money out of the private sector.”

When signing the bill Tuesday in Denver, President Obama hailed the legislation as the first step out of the economic recession that has faced the country for more than a year.

“What makes this recovery plan so important is not just that it will create or save three- and-a-half million jobs over the next two years, including nearly 60,000 in Colorado,” Obama said. “It’s that we are putting Americans to work doing the work that America needs done in critical areas that have been neglected for too long – work that will bring real and lasting change for generations to come.”

The White House points out that the package puts $150 billion into infrastructure improvements across the country for public transportation, upgrading the electric grid and expanding broadband. The law also allocates $19 billion to digitize health records for each American by 2014 and devotes $100 billion to renewable energy projects.

Meanwhile, Republicans in Congress have complained about various spending projects, such as $50 million for the National Endowment for the Arts, $300 million for golf carts and $8 billion for a rail line from Los Angeles to Las Vegas.

The White House estimate that the stimulus bill will create 3 to 4 million jobs comes from a transition team report completed before Obama took office and before a bill was drafted in Congress. Further, the report said there is “considerable uncertainty” about the job estimates. (See Previous Story)

The White House released a state-by-state breakdown of how many jobs would be created or saved. The breakdown showed that California would get 396,000 jobs; Florida, 206,000 jobs; Georgia, 106,000; Illinois, 148,000; Michigan, 109,000; New Jersey, 100,000; New York, 215,000; Ohio, 133,000; Pennsylvania; 143,000; and Texas, 269,000 jobs. (See White House estimates)

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Re: Stimulus Plan will "Lower American Wages" - Congressional Budget Office
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2009, 08:15:53 AM »
Uh...once again people Peter Schiff, Ron Paul, and Celente all said this is what would happen if this bill was passed.

How can anybody deny what these guys say now?

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Re: Stimulus Plan will "Lower American Wages" - Congressional Budget Office
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2009, 08:28:53 AM »
Uh...once again people Peter Schiff, Ron Paul, and Celente all said this is what would happen if this bill was passed.

How can anybody deny what these guys say now?

Check out the mortgage plan laid out today! 

This gets worse by the freaking hour. 



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BUMP  for defenders of the stim bill 

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Re: Stimulus Plan will "Lower American Wages" - Congressional Budget Office
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2011, 09:23:22 AM »
BUMP 

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Re: Stimulus Plan will "Lower American Wages" - Congressional Budget Office
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2011, 09:33:34 AM »
Uh...once again people Peter Schiff, Ron Paul, and Celente all said this is what would happen if this bill was passed.

How can anybody deny what these guys say now?

Yeah, but Ben Stein knows more.

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Re: Stimulus Plan will "Lower American Wages" - Congressional Budget Office
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2011, 09:34:19 AM »
is that the same Congressional Budget Office (CBO). that you said is full of shit, sorry can't have it both ways  ;D

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Re: Stimulus Plan will "Lower American Wages" - Congressional Budget Office
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2011, 09:35:27 AM »
your original post is over 2 years old

let's see the proof that the stimulus plan lowered wages

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Re: Stimulus Plan will "Lower American Wages" - Congressional Budget Office
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2011, 09:39:02 AM »
Less people are working today than before this disaster was passed.  More are on welfare and foodstamps, inflation is high, and ue is grotesqly higher. 

Do the math straw. Teaching africans how to wash their nuts is not a viable plan.

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Re: Stimulus Plan will "Lower American Wages" - Congressional Budget Office
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2011, 09:39:52 AM »
is that the same Congressional Budget Office (CBO). that you said is full of shit, sorry can't have it both ways  ;D


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Re: Stimulus Plan will "Lower American Wages" - Congressional Budget Office
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2011, 09:43:10 AM »
Lower Wages worked for Texas.  They have the lowest wage per working in the nation, do'nt they?  Their governor has been bragging about their situation, sounds like it could work for everyone.

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Re: Stimulus Plan will "Lower American Wages" - Congressional Budget Office
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2011, 09:46:42 AM »
Lower Wages worked for Texas.  They have the lowest wage per working in the nation, do'nt they?  Their governor has been bragging about their situation, sounds like it could work for everyone.
:D :D

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Re: Stimulus Plan will "Lower American Wages" - Congressional Budget Office
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2011, 09:51:19 AM »
Less people are working today than before this disaster was passed.  More are on welfare and foodstamps, inflation is high, and ue is grotesqly higher.  

Do the math straw. Teaching africans how to wash their nuts is not a viable plan.

is your first sentence true (look it up) and yeah, show us some actual math

the article if full of nonsensical quotes from teabaggers like Paul Ryan.

this statement makes no sense “When you borrow, you are going out and taking money out of the private economy, which goes to bonds,”

how does that take money out of the econdomy?

or this one:  “In economic parlance, the debt would ‘crowd out’ private investment.”

THe assumption seems to be that the "rich" will buy us bonds as an alternative to investing (creating jobs?) so if we did no stimulus then the rich would do what exactly ..... be foreced to create jobs....... how does that work?

and the big horrible predicted result by the cbo.....?

In its analysis, the CBO predicts that the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act will increase GDP through 2014. However, in the following years, “the legislation is estimated to reduce GDP by between 0 and 0.2 percent.”

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Re: Stimulus Plan will "Lower American Wages" - Congressional Budget Office
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2011, 09:54:29 AM »
is your first sentence true (look it up) and yeah, show us some actual math

the article if full of nonsensical quotes from teabaggers like Paul Ryan.

this statement makes no sense “When you borrow, you are going out and taking money out of the private economy, which goes to bonds,”

how does that take money out of the econdomy?

or this one:  “In economic parlance, the debt would ‘crowd out’ private investment.”

THe assumption seems to be that the "rich" will buy us bonds as an alternative to investing (creating jobs?) so if we did no stimulus then the rich would do what exactly ..... be foreced to create jobs....... how does that work?

and the big horrible predicted result by the cbo.....?

In its analysis, the CBO predicts that the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act will increase GDP through 2014. However, in the following years, “the legislation is estimated to reduce GDP by between 0 and 0.2 percent.”

LMFAO.   You still dont get it do you? 

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Re: Stimulus Plan will "Lower American Wages" - Congressional Budget Office
« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2011, 09:56:57 AM »
LMFAO.   You still dont get it do you? 

explain it

tell me how any of those statements make sense

seriously - skip the economic stuf and stick to ranting about secret communists and how your fellow american can't be trusted to vote the way you like.   

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Re: Stimulus Plan will "Lower American Wages" - Congressional Budget Office
« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2011, 09:59:14 AM »
explain it

tell me how any of those statements make sense

seriously - skip the economic stuf and stick to ranting about secret communists and how your fellow american can't be trusted to vote the way you like.   

Straw - where does money come from?  Seriously - where do you think money comes from?

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Re: Stimulus Plan will "Lower American Wages" - Congressional Budget Office
« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2011, 10:04:59 AM »
Straw - where does money come from?  Seriously - where do you think money comes from?

where does WHAT money come from?

Are you asking who buys our debt?

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Re: Stimulus Plan will "Lower American Wages" - Congressional Budget Office
« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2011, 10:07:03 AM »
where does WHAT money come from?

Are you asking who buys our debt?

you know exactly what I asked. 

I left wing la la land, where do they think money comes from? 

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Re: Stimulus Plan will "Lower American Wages" - Congressional Budget Office
« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2011, 10:11:07 AM »
you know exactly what I asked. 

I left wing la la land, where do they think money comes from? 

I have no idea what you're asking

the article you posted and then bumped is full of teabag nonsense with the scary conclusion that the stimulus will increase employment and may eventually result in a decrease in GDP (after driving it up) of somewhere between 0 and .2%


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Re: Stimulus Plan will "Lower American Wages" - Congressional Budget Office
« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2011, 10:13:53 AM »



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Re: Stimulus Plan will "Lower American Wages" - Congressional Budget Office
« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2011, 10:20:22 AM »
I don't even bother looking at you dumb videos

you posted an article and then bumped it and are now unable to speak on it when questioned?

the article has quotes by Paul Ryan suggesting that the stimulus will "take" money out of the economy and "choke out" private investment.

These statemetns make now sense

If anyone chooses to buy bonds it's not like anyone is putting a gun to their head and it's not likely that they are doing so instead of making an investment of "risk capital" by creating a business, expanding a business, buying equipment etc... More like those $'s were already idle and doing nothing to help the economy ( the same thing that happens when you give the uber rich yet another tax cut)

Ryan also ignores the blatant obvious fact that the money that it borrowed is then spent in the economy (job stimulus plans, infrastructure, etc..) which then winds up in the hands of people who will spend it which creates demand for goods and services.

Shit, your very article talks about abou the stimulus plan was going to create jobs and, after driving up GDP and employment, it might eventually (pure speculation) cause GDP to drop by 0 to .2%.



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Re: Stimulus Plan will "Lower American Wages" - Congressional Budget Office
« Reply #21 on: August 23, 2011, 10:22:05 AM »
Yawn - you dont watch the videos because they shatter and obliterate your la la land understanding of economics and money.   

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Re: Stimulus Plan will "Lower American Wages" - Congressional Budget Office
« Reply #22 on: August 23, 2011, 10:23:24 AM »
Dude you are too easy.... When CBO says something pro obama.. youre all like "who are they.. they suck any way" when its anti Obama.. you agree with it..

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Re: Stimulus Plan will "Lower American Wages" - Congressional Budget Office
« Reply #23 on: August 23, 2011, 10:24:56 AM »
Dude you are too easy.... When CBO says something pro obama.. youre all like "who are they.. they suck any way" when its anti Obama.. you agree with it..


^^^^
exactly

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Re: Stimulus Plan will "Lower American Wages" - Congressional Budget Office
« Reply #24 on: August 23, 2011, 10:25:57 AM »
Yawn - you dont watch the videos because they shatter and obliterate your la la land understanding of economics and money.  

I don't watch them because virtually every time I've watched one of you videos it's been worthless

if you want to post an article then you should be prepared to discuss it in your own words

If you're incapable of doing so then maybe you should just stick with your delusional rants about secret muslim marxists intent on collapsing the country.    That's really your breaad and butter topic