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If You oppose The Stimulus, Don't Take The Money
« on: February 19, 2009, 09:43:40 AM »
by Paul Begala
 
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Gov. Mark Sanford of South Carolina took umbrage at my writing that his approach to the economic crisis is to do nothing. I'll deal with his "ideas" in a moment, but first let me make a modest proposal:

If Republican politicians are so deeply opposed to President Obama's economic recovery plan, they should refuse to take the money. After all, if you think all that federal spending is damaging, there are easy ways to reduce it: Don't take federal money.

Gov. Sanford can lead the way. South Carolina should decline to accept any federal funds for transportation, education, health care, clean energy or any of the other ideas President Obama is advocating to fix the economy. And the rest of the GOP can follow suit.

Justice Louis Brandeis famously called states "laboratories of democracy." So let's experiment. Gov. Sanford can be the guinea pig. His Palmetto State already gets $1.35 back from Washington for every dollar it pays in federal taxes, according to 2005 numbers, the latest calculated by the Tax Foundation, a nonprofit tax research group.

South Carolina is a ward of the federal government. It's been on welfare for years. If Gov. Sanford is so all-fired opposed to federal spending, let's start by cutting federal spending in South Carolina. Otherwise, he's got about as much credibility on fiscal conservatism as A-Rod has on steroids.

Under the Bush-Sanford economic theories, South Carolina's unemployment rate has reached 9.5 percent -- among the highest in the nation. But if Gov. Sanford wants to continue those policies, good luck to him.

Make no mistake about it, Republicans like Gov. Sanford want to go back to the bad old days of George W. Bush. In his CNN.com column, Gov. Sanford expends 605 words attacking President Obama's plan to turn the country around after eight years of Bush-Republican-Sanford economics.

That is his right, but attacking President Obama's plan is not itself an alternative plan. Nor is dredging up hoary old gripes about the New Deal. Nor, indeed, is deriding neighborhood electric vehicles -- which create jobs, save money and reduce pollution -- as "streamlined golf carts." But that is what Gov. Sanford offers us. iReport.com: Share your thoughts on the stimulus plan

Then Gov. Sanford turns to his ideas (keep in mind he was responding to my charge that he favors doing nothing). He devotes precisely one half of one sentence to his plan to save the world economy; 24 words that will create millions of jobs, restore liquidity to capital markets, protect investors and consumers, regenerate stagnant demand and restore the capitalist system. Here they are:

"... cutting the payroll tax, opening foreign markets through an expansion of our trade agreements, and reducing our corporate tax, which is among the highest worldwide."

Wow. As we say in the South, I've got the vapors. So cutting taxes and cutting trade deals will get us out of this mess? That's all we need to do?

We don't need to extend unemployment insurance, or update health information technology, or move to renewable energy or repair roads or rebuild bridges or modernize the power grid or prevent states and cities from laying off teachers and cops or any of the other myriad proposals in President Obama's plan?

To be sure, President Obama's plan includes tax cuts -- mostly for middle-class families. But cutting taxes on corporate profits is of little utility when there are no corporate profits to tax. And precisely with whom would Gov. Sanford cut these miraculous trade deals? In case he hasn't been watching CNN, the entire world economy is in the tank.

If cutting taxes for the rich and for big corporations and promoting foreign trade alone could energize the economy, we wouldn't be in this mess. But maybe Gov. Sanford is right. Let's keep our federal money -- give it to states where the governors will actually put it to good use. We'll let Gov. Sanford try his plan, we'll try President Obama's plan.

Something tells me Gov. Sanford won't take that gamble. Because for all his rhetoric about hating federal spending, he can't wait to get his hands on our money.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Paul Begala.
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Re: If You oppose The Stimulus, Don't Take The Money
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2009, 09:46:32 AM »
South Carolina's Sanford Hedges: We Might Take The Money

WASHINGTON — South Carolina's Republican governor says his state may accept money from President Barack Obama's stimulus plan even though he is ideologically opposed to it.

Gov. Mark Sanford says being against the plan "doesn't preclude taking the money."

Sanford said Thursday on CBS' "The Early Show" that he took a stand against the president's economic plan because it's "a bad idea." But he says ultimately he represents the interests of the almost 5 million people of his state, and he will look over the plan and decide whether some parts would work for South Carolina.

Sanford also expressed skepticism about Obama's plan to reduce home foreclosures. The governor says: "Throw enough money at any problem and you're going to help some folks."
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Re: If You oppose The Stimulus, Don't Take The Money
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2009, 09:47:25 AM »
lol, that'll be when hell freezes over.

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Re: If You oppose The Stimulus, Don't Take The Money
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2009, 09:47:40 AM »
I posted this idea last week and then (I can only assume  ;)) that Begala read my post on GetBig and got the idea for his article (which I also posted earlier this week).


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Re: If You oppose The Stimulus, Don't Take The Money
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2009, 09:54:21 AM »
I posted this idea last week and then (I can only assume  ;)) that Begala read my post on GetBig and got the idea for his article (which I also posted earlier this week).


sometimes I wonder if they do pick up ideas searching the net.  a few years back I think it was Lou Dobbs that started using a strange line on something I was using here.

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Re: If You oppose The Stimulus, Don't Take The Money
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2009, 10:03:13 AM »
I love it.   Call them out on their own words.  Their trying to look like saints and the bottom line is, its just bipartisan bullshit.... 8)

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Re: If You oppose The Stimulus, Don't Take The Money
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2009, 10:07:23 AM »
LOL goodness gracious again will they be exempt from paying back the spending bill? No hmmm ya so basically you want them to pay for something they dont benefit from, typical liberal.

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Re: If You oppose The Stimulus, Don't Take The Money
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2009, 11:00:00 AM »
Most people who oppose the stimulus bill would gladly refuse the handout $$$ if they could get out of paying into it.

Much like most taxes I suppose.  But then, the liberal-socialistic agenda wouldn't have any fuel to get anywhere....

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Re: If You oppose The Stimulus, Don't Take The Money
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2009, 11:18:57 AM »
Most people who oppose the stimulus bill would gladly refuse the handout $$$ if they could get out of paying into it.

Much like most taxes I suppose.  But then, the liberal-socialistic agenda wouldn't have any fuel to get anywhere....

yep - just like I get no say when my tax dollars go to pointless and futile wars, or even worse the Office of Faith Based Initiative or Abistinence Only programs.   I get zip out of the last two but still my $$$'s go there

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Re: If You oppose The Stimulus, Don't Take The Money
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2009, 11:20:20 AM »
yep - just like I get no say when my tax dollars go to pointless and futile wars, or even worse the Office of Faith Based Initiative or Abistinence Only programs.   I get zip out of the last two but still my $$$'s go there

Same deal on the other side. Agreed, that stuff sucks just as bad.

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Re: If You oppose The Stimulus, Don't Take The Money
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2009, 11:34:04 AM »
reminds me of joe the plumber.

opposes welfare, even though he grew up on it.

Should be common sense - if you are going to shit all over the plan, and sitll take the money, you're a hypocrite.

watch Crist and Jindal on Meet the press on sunday... either taking a BOLD stand for the party and defining their 2012 ticket... or trying to mumble their way out of why they'll take the $, even though they disagree with it ;)

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Re: If You oppose The Stimulus, Don't Take The Money
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2009, 12:46:53 PM »
They are going to take it.... they are going to try to run their campaign in 2010 on the platform they were against it... they are going to lose.

Again.

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Re: If You oppose The Stimulus, Don't Take The Money
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2009, 12:49:14 PM »
lol... imagine the repub governor candidate in 2012 debates with obama.

"I was against your plan... but I did enjoy the money... and yeah, my state economy is better now..."

Tough spot that they are in.

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Re: If You oppose The Stimulus, Don't Take The Money
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2009, 12:53:17 PM »
I guess u have'nt been watching the news. Barry and his band of morons are in trouble. They know they have a very short window to push this crap through. They have made it a massive crisis, talking down the economy on a constant basis. Next we get health care and stim 2. U guys have Burris and the rest who took bribes and can't pay taxes...U have the EPA ready to crush industry..and just wait until he drops the ball ona foreign policy issue.
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Re: If You oppose The Stimulus, Don't Take The Money
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2009, 01:32:10 PM »
I guess u have'nt been watching the news. Barry and his band of morons are in trouble.

Yeah... that was what was rallied around back when Clinton tried it.  We see how great it turned out then.  And the GOP was the laughingstock then.

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Re: If You oppose The Stimulus, Don't Take The Money
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2009, 01:34:09 PM »
lol... imagine the repub governor candidate in 2012 debates with obama.

"I was against your plan... but I did enjoy the money... and yeah, my state economy is better now..."

Tough spot that they are in.

Absolutely assanine.Because a governor is against it,he shouldnt take the money?So,the people he represents paid their taxes and that money should go to Cali. not their own state?You really are foolish arent you.How about this,those states that dont accept it,every person THAT PAYS INCOME TAXES[not dumb ass Obamas definition of a tax cut,tax cuts for people that actually pay federal income tax] in the state gets a tax break of exactly how much would have gone to the state.If the state would have gotten a 2 billion,the taxes of the people are cut RIGHT AWAY by 2 billion.I bet they wouldnt take the money then.

By the way,their economies wont be better at all.It will just be more government employees,paid for by the private sector.

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Re: If You oppose The Stimulus, Don't Take The Money
« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2009, 02:04:29 PM »
By the way,their economies wont be better at all.It will just be more government employees,paid for by the private sector.

Exactly  ;)

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Re: If You oppose The Stimulus, Don't Take The Money
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2009, 02:24:51 PM »
reminds me of joe the plumber.

opposes welfare, even though he grew up on it.

Should be common sense - if you are going to shit all over the plan, and sitll take the money, you're a hypocrite.

watch Crist and Jindal on Meet the press on sunday... either taking a BOLD stand for the party and defining their 2012 ticket... or trying to mumble their way out of why they'll take the $, even though they disagree with it ;)

I thought Crist supports the stimulus? He's one of the few republicans that actually support it.

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Re: If You oppose The Stimulus, Don't Take The Money
« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2009, 05:30:46 PM »
Yeah, why not refuse money that the people are paying for anyway?

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Re: If You oppose The Stimulus, Don't Take The Money
« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2009, 06:09:56 PM »
Absolutely assanine.

I don't know what this word means.