Killing children/your child because god told you to

[OzmO]

I said you have made a claim that you can't back up.

Which is?

[loco]

Which is?

i don't need to back it up.  The Jews met the Amalekites on the field of battle and killed them all and then proceeded to kill every remaining man women and child.   

Those fields of battle may have been villages, cities, towns, or hamlets because the Jews may have ambushed them or raided them.  Regardless, the resistance was squashed and the killing of innocent people and children followed.

So either way it doesn't really matter. 

Where in the Bible, or any other document for that matter, did you read this?  In the same document where you read that king Saul's army always traveled with Israelite women to cook all of their meals?

[OzmO]

Where in the Bible, or any other document for that matter, did you read this?  In the same document where you read that king Saul's army always traveled with Israelite women to cook all of their meals?

Did i read what?  They didn't meet them on a field of battle?  If not, then where?  Was it on a mountain of battle?  A McDonalds of Battle?

Or did the  Amalekites not put up any resistance and spread there arms and said, here kill us?

what's your point loco?

And whether they traveled with support persons or not, doesn't change much of the issue at hand.  God ordered the murder of innocent children.  You worship a child murderer that committed genocide.

[Deicide]

[fitt@40]

I am sure that is how you feel but for me there is no evidence, so I reject it. It's pretty simple. As for prayer, there's a saying I like.

"One pair of working hands is more useful than a thousand clasped in prayer."

Fair enough.  Let us just agree to disagree.  As for these hands, they shall forever remain in prayer. 

[loco]

Did i read what?  They didn't meet them on a field of battle?  If not, then where?  Was it on a mountain of battle?  A McDonalds of Battle?

Or did the  Amalekites not put up any resistance and spread there arms and said, here kill us?

what's your point loco?

And whether they traveled with support persons or not, doesn't change much of the issue at hand.  God ordered the murder of innocent children.  You worship a child murderer that committed genocide.

If you don't know, then why do you even make such claims?

[OzmO]

If you don't know, then why do you even make such claims?

If i don't know what?  How the Amalekites were killed?  The Jews killed them right?  The Amalekits either let them kill them or put up a fight either way, what's the difference?

If they put up a fight, there was a battle that likely took place on a field.

So what?

What's your point again?

[Deicide]

If i don't know what?  How the Amalekites were killed?  The Jews killed them right?  The Amalekits either let them kill them or put up a fight either, what's the difference?

If they put up a fight, there was a battle that likely took place on a field.

So what?

What's your point again?

[OzmO]

You know what that energizer bunny does on viagra don't you?

[MCWAY]

That's where you don't seem to get it.  The Amalikites were already defeated on the field of battle.  Even if Germans and the Japanese continued to fight, we wouldn't have exterminated them.  As soon as their Army was rendered ineffective and inoperable we would have ceased attack their cities.  The example i gave with the US soldier outlines this exactly.

The Israelites did the same thing. Over the course of over 300 years, Amalek assaulted Israel numerous times (as Loco indicated). When Israel fought them off, they went on their merry way. But, as has been shown before now, when the Amalekites numbers grew, they resumed their attacks on Israel.

It wouldn't matter if it were 2000 years.  You don't kill children for what they might do when they grow up. Fact is, according to you there were Amalekites living peacefully with the Jews, showing that it's more than possible.

And whose responsiblity is it to get them out of harm's way? The parents. Indeed, there were some Amalekites who heeded Saul's warning (and perhaps a few before that) and lived among the Israelites peacefully. The lion's share of them, however, didn't.

No, that's you trying to put words in my mouth by tying these 2 issues together.

No, it isn't. I've said before that, unless these children are assimilated, they will either get put to the sword or die of starvation. We've already shown the rules and regulations, with regards to how Israel was supposed to treat the remnants of enemy combatants. And, when we (me, Loco, Stella, etc)did that, YOU started howling about "slavery". The simple fact is, were the Amalekite children assimilated into Israel's land, it would have been under the same rules that Israel used for other people.

Did we enslave the Japanese people?
Did we enslave the Germans?
Did we enslave Iraqis?

Leaving them to starve is not the only option. 

What did we do with the Germans?
What did we do with the Japanese?
What did we do with the Iraqis?

Once again, ALL of that was predicated on the aforementioned people SURRENDERING, making negotiations, and CEASING ALL ATTACKS AND ASSAULTS, none of which the Amalekites did with Israel.

America didn't help to repair the infrastructure or economy or anything of these nations, while their people (en masse) were STILL TRYING TO KILL US.

We defeated their Armies on the field of battle, did we let have to enslave them?  did we have to let them starve to death?

They quit; they ceased and desisted; did Amalek do that with Israel.....NO!!

What the bible has repeatedly shown is that it was written by primitive men who justify the murder of a child in cold blood by the cop out of blaming it on the sins of their parents when it was avoidable.

There's no "cop out" involved. Israel made it "avoidable" for over 300 years and the Amalekites, during that stretch, had opportunity after opportunity to end the conflict and make peace and/or amends. They did nothing of the sort. Instead, they ramped up their assaults.

At some point, enough is enough. That point was supposed to be with Saul. But, thanks to his greed and lust for $$$$$$, Israel's most dogged enemy lived to continue persecuting them. THAT'S WHY Saul got booted off the throne of Israel.

What bugs me is the dismissive attitude towards the murder of a child when it's avoidable and lame reasoning behind it.

What bugs me is the dismissive attitude that Israel is supposed to just get whacked for centuries, because some people are worried about the children of Israel's enemies, especially when those enemies have made it clear that their end-goal is Israel's utter destruction.

If someone is trying to destroy me and my family or my country and all attempts for reconciliation get dismissed, it's time to fight. I will do whatever it takes to preserve my people. And the last thing on my mind (at that point) is the fate of that enemy's children.

If they continue to act a fool, then they and their children will pay the price for it, point blank.

God curses people eh?  IS he a witch too?  This is more evidence that it's all a book of myths and stories written by primitive men.

Of course, He curses people, just as He blesses people. Both depend on obedience vs. disobedience.

[MCWAY]

If I had to guess it's because that's what his parents brought him up to believe.

And, you guessed wrong!

By Fitt’s own words, he was NOT raised in a Christian home. And, it appears that he did not attend a Christian school. He claims his mother took him to church just once.

He became a Christian in his adult life, which would mean that he study Scripture FOR HIMSELF and established a personal relationship with the Lord.

That's something you and Deicide just don't get. You have both erroneously assumed that nearly all Christians are such, because they were raised in home with parents of the Christian faith. You also assumed that these people never had any questions about their faith, under the false premise that (if they did), they would automatically reject their faith.

There are millions of believers, just like Fitt. And, they are every bit as welcome in the eyes of Jesus Christ as those who were raised in the church.

[big L dawg]

And, you guessed wrong!

By Fitt’s own words, he was NOT raised in a Christian home. And, it appears that he did not attend a Christian school. He claims his mother took him to church just once.

He became a Christian in his adult life, which would mean that he study Scripture FOR HIMSELF and established a personal relationship with the Lord.

That's something you and Deicide just don't get. You have both erroneously assumed that nearly all Christians are such, because they were raised in home with parents of the Christian faith. You also assumed that these people never had any questions about their faith, under the false premise that (if they did), they would automatically reject their faith.

There are millions of believers, just like Fitt. And, they are every bit as welcome in the eyes of Jesus Christ as those who were raised in the church.

the religion you prescribe to more times than not are a direct result of your parents beliefs and were you were born in the world.thats a statistical fact.just because someone's mom didn't take them to church doesn't mean there parents aren't Christians.

[OzmO]

The Israelites did the same thing. Over the course of over 300 years, Amalek assaulted Israel numerous times (as Loco indicated). When Israel fought them off, they went on their merry way. But, as has been shown before now, when the Amalekites numbers grew, they resumed their attacks on Israel.

Doesn't matter.  then they strive to find better ways to prevent that from happening without killing innocent children.  It's the civilized thing to do.

And whose responsiblity is it to get them out of harm's way? The parents. Indeed, there were some Amalekites who heeded Saul's warning (and perhaps a few before that) and lived among the Israelites peacefully. The lion's share of them, however, didn't.

Does matter again.  The parents are one issue.  The children are another. 

No, it isn't. I've said before that, unless these children are assimilated, they will either get put to the sword or die of starvation. We've already shown the rules and regulations, with regards to how Israel was supposed to treat the remnants of enemy combatants. And, when we (me, Loco, Stella, etc)did that, YOU started howling about "slavery". The simple fact is, were the Amalekite children assimilated into Israel's land, it would have been under the same rules that Israel used for other people.

Who's rules and regulations?   Rules and regulations can be changed.  Doesn't matter again.  Did we have to that with Germany and Japan?  No.  Then the Jews didn't have to do it either. 

Once again, ALL of that was predicated on the aforementioned people SURRENDERING, making negotiations, and CEASING ALL ATTACKS AND ASSAULTS, none of which the Amalekites did with Israel.

America didn't help to repair the infrastructure or economy or anything of these nations, while their people (en masse) were STILL TRYING TO KILL US.

The assumption that every adult was trying to kill Jews is stupid.  Even then, what's left to surrender?  Children. then you must do as above.

They quit; they ceased and desisted; did Amalek do that with Israel.....NO!!

And what do we do with people who continue to try and fight, won't surrender, but are captured? 

There's no "cop out" involved. Israel made it "avoidable" for over 300 years and the Amalekites, during that stretch, had opportunity after opportunity to end the conflict and make peace and/or amends. They did nothing of the sort. Instead, they ramped up their assaults.

At some point, enough is enough. That point was supposed to be with Saul. But, thanks to his greed and lust for $$$$$$, Israel's most dogged enemy lived to continue persecuting them. THAT'S WHY Saul got booted off the throne of Israel.

Again, still doesn't matter if it was 10,000 years.  You don't kill children. It's wrong.  Very basic moral.

What bugs me is the dismissive attitude that Israel is supposed to just get whacked for centuries, because some people are worried about the children of Israel's enemies, especially when those enemies have made it clear that their end-goal is Israel's utter destruction.

So what?  It doesn't make any difference what so ever.  Killing children is wrong.  Period.

If someone is trying to destroy me and my family or my country and all attempts for reconciliation get dismissed, it's time to fight. I will do whatever it takes to preserve my people. And the last thing on my mind (at that point) is the fate of that enemy's children.

If they continue to act a fool, then they and their children will pay the price for it, point blank.

Act a fool?   

 

In addition to all of this as you have stated there was Amalekites living peacefully among the Jews showing that ALL children are not destine to grow up to attack the Jews.  It takes rug out form under your assertion that these children would surely grow up to attack Israel again.

[MCWAY]

Doesn't matter.  then they strive to find better ways to prevent that from happening without killing innocent children.  It's the civilized thing to do.


Does matter again.  The parents are one issue.  The children are another. 

Who's rules and regulations?   Rules and regulations can be changed.  Doesn't matter again.  Did we have to that with Germany and Japan?  No.  Then the Jews didn't have to do it either. 

We didn't fight with either country for 300 years plus. One A-bomb put a stop to Japan's war efforts and they haven't attacked us since that time. Germany hasn't attacked us, either.

As stated earlier, the Amalekites had NUMEROUS opportunities to cease and desist. Their children were spared those 300+ years prior to Saul's being given the edict to end it, once and for all. As Loco has shown, every time the Amalekites were spared and their numbers were replenished, they went right back on the attack.

The assumption that every adult was trying to kill Jews is stupid.  Even then, what's left to surrender?  Children. then you must do as above.

No, it isn't, especially in light of what actually happened. Again, why do you think this conflict occured for over 300 years, prior to Saul coming onto the scene, and continued after he failed to get the job done?

It's because those Amalekite children (by and large) GREW UP and followed in their ancestors' footsteps.

And what do we do with people who continue to try and fight, won't surrender, but are captured? 

They remain in jail. If they're rehabilitated, you released them accordingly. If they are not and continue their ways, you re-capture or kill them.

Again, still doesn't matter if it was 10,000 years.  You don't kill children. It's wrong.  Very basic moral.

So, for 10,000 years, you're going to continue to war with an enemy whose goal is to eradicate your people off the face of the earth, just because you don't want to hurt their kiddies (never mind the fact that they will hurt yours)............Good luck with that one.

So what?  It doesn't make any difference what so ever.  Killing children is wrong.  Period.

Yet, you condone that happening in modern warfare, when bombs are used.

Act a fool?   

 
In addition to all of this as you have stated there was Amalekites living peacefully among the Jews showing that ALL children are not destine to grow up to attack the Jews.  It takes rug out form under your assertion that these children would surely grow up to attack Israel again.

No, it doesn't. No sooner did David assume the throne from Saul, than the Amalekites hit Israel once more.

As I asked earlier, at what point do you say "Enough is enough!", after year 10,001? 

[big L dawg]

As I have said many times before, it is all about faith.  My Faith is the result of a combination of many things.  As a child, I was not taught any religious beliefs.  My mother took me took church only once (around the age of seven or eight).  Though I was never taught or read the Bible, things were revealed to me.  When I was 13, I had a discussion with a Minister, who also has a Ph.D in theology.  I will not bore you with details of our coversation, but he asked me many times, "how could you possibly know that?"  I do not say these things to be boastful in any manner, but rather show that I am living proof of God's Truth.  I believe that God has had mercy on me long before I accepted Him.  I have seen miracles.  You have called me crazy (nut-case...or something like that), but I could tell you things that I have witnessed that you, and most people, would not believe.  I have tried running away from God, but because He knows my heart, He has had mercy on me.   You are correct in that there are thousands of other gods.  Some are man-made and many are really gods...so to speak.  This is why our Father says not to put any other god before Him.  If you truly want to know if my God is real, put away all of your doubt and open your heart, mind and soul to Him.  I am not suggesting that you follow some TV Evangelist or even a local minister.  I suggesting that go straight to Him.  If He is real, and you are sincere, then change will happen.  If He is not real, what do you have to lose?  Believe it or not, I have actually been praying for you.  I understand that you may not want that or could care less, but as I have said to you before, I am not your enemy.  I do not have any agendas.  I only want that the Will of God be done.

[OzmO]

We didn't fight with either country for 300 years plus. One A-bomb put a stop to Japan's war efforts and they haven't attacked us since that time. Germany hasn't attacked us, either.

As stated earlier, the Amalekites had NUMEROUS opportunities to cease and desist. Their children were spared those 300+ years prior to Saul's being given the edict to end it, once and for all. As Loco has shown, every time the Amalekites were spared and their numbers were replenished, they went right back on the attack.

Soooooooooooooo what?   The children spared and the children murdered are 2 different things, 2 different people, 2 different instances.  When the children were murdered they at that very time were innocent.  God ordered the murder of innocent children.

No, it isn't, especially in light of what actually happened. Again, why do you think this conflict occured for over 300 years, prior to Saul coming onto the scene, and continued after he failed to get the job done?

It's because those Amalekite children (by and large) GREW UP and followed in their ancestors' footsteps.

According to the Bible they did.  SOOOOOOOOOOO  what?  Still it's completely different set of children.  Still innocent.  Still murdered by the Jews on God's orders.

So, for 10,000 years, you're going to continue to war with an enemy whose goal is to eradicate your people off the face of the earth, just because you don't want to hurt their kiddies (never mind the fact that they will hurt yours)............Good luck with that one.


No, it doesn't. No sooner did David assume the throne from Saul, than the Amalekites hit Israel once more.

As I asked earlier, at what point do you say "Enough is enough!", after year 10,001? 

Yeah, pretty much.   I guess that goal to kill my people is hard wired into their DNA?   I'm not that simple minded.  I don't kill innocent children.  It's an evil thing to do.

[BayGBM]

remember that lady that drowned her kids in the bathtub.she said god told her to do it....well there's some nut job that post's here regularly that would do the same thing.

burn witches at the stake
slavery is not just OK it is right
women are inferior to men
God hates fags
death to America!

"because god says so."  The people who hold and act out these sentiments are all cut from the same cloth. 

[MCWAY]

Soooooooooooooo what?   The children spared and the children murdered are 2 different things, 2 different people, 2 different instances.  When the children were murdered they at that very time were innocent.  God ordered the murder of innocent children.

According to the Bible they did.  SOOOOOOOOOOO  what?  Still it's completely different set of children.  Still innocent.  Still murdered by the Jews on God's orders.

Once again, what do you do with them? Since you don't like Israel's assimilation laws, the only other option is that those children will unfortunately DIE. It's just a question of semantics (the sword vs. starvation).

Yeah, pretty much.   I guess that goal to kill my people is hard wired into their DNA?   I'm not that simple minded.  I don't kill innocent children.  It's an evil thing to do.

It would be just as "evil" to let your people continue to get assaulted by the Amalekites for centuries on end, just because you're soooooooo concerned about their little kiddies (never mind the fact that your women and children have met the end of their sword).

As I said, diplomacy is a two-way street. But, when you have enemies that are hell-bent on destroying you, the last thing with which you need to concern yourself is the welfare of their offspring.

[MCWAY]

the religion you prescribe to more times than not are a direct result of your parents beliefs and were you were born in the world.thats a statistical fact.just because someone's mom didn't take them to church doesn't mean there parents aren't Christians.

Fitt said, "As a child, I was not taught any religious beliefs.". How does that translate into his parents being Christians?

[OzmO]

Once again, what do you do with them? Since you don't like Israel's assimilation laws, the only other option is that those children will unfortunately DIE. It's just a question of semantics (the sword vs. starvation).

What do you do with them?  You don't kill them that's what you do and you take care of them.  Citing the Jews assimilations laws as a reason not to do the right thing is a cop out.  Maybe god should have taught them properly instead of teaching them to be so primitive.

It would be just as "evil" to let your people continue to get assaulted by the Amalekites for centuries on end, just because you're soooooooo concerned about their little kiddies (never mind the fact that your women and children have met the end of their sword).

Do you really think I'm suggesting they don't defend themselves?  Come on............  sigh.

You don;t kill children.  It's wrong.  Plain and simple.  Killing children because of what they might do is murder.   

As I said, diplomacy is a two-way street. But, when you have enemies that are hell-bent on destroying you, the last thing with which you need to concern yourself is the welfare of their offspring.

Of course, while there's still a danger I'm only worried about the children to the extent i can still do what's needed without having to kill innocent people. In the time of swords and bows that's very easy.   But at some point the Amalekites were rendered ineffective to attack or defend.  Now, I'm still not one to think all the women and elderly or any male adults who weren't involved in the army needed to be genocide like killed, but even then at that point no one is hell bent on killing you because all that's left is children.  And killing innocent children is wrong.  Killing innocent children is what serial killers do.  Killing innocent children is evil.   Killing innocent children is what evil men do. 

The Nazi's justified it with the "Final Solution".

10,000 years 20,000 years, what ever.  Every generation I'm left with a nation of innocent children that i have a choice as to what to do with.  I can choose to murder them all because of what they might do or i can chose try to change the cycle.  Because of the morals that I have i will always try as our more civilized society in this modern age would.   It's worked with some amaekites as you have said.  Regardless, killing them off, committing total genocide is wrong, it's murder, it's evil.

[MCWAY]

What do you do with them?  You don't kill them that's what you do and you take care of them.  Citing the Jews assimilations laws as a reason not to do the right thing is a cop out.  Maybe god should have taught them properly instead of teaching them to be so primitive.

Ummmm.....I'm not citing the Jews' assimilation laws as a reason to do anything. YOU ARE! You're the one who was crying "slavery", when the subject was brought up on Israel's laws on how to treat the remnants of their defeated enemies.

And, as mentioned earlier, Israel was under no obligation to take care of the Amalekites' children, while the Amalekites were continuing their attempts to destroy the Israelites.

Do you really think I'm suggesting they don't defend themselves?  Come on............  sigh.

You don;t kill children.  It's wrong.  Plain and simple.  Killing children because of what they might do is murder. 

Of course, while there's still a danger I'm only worried about the children to the extent i can still do what's needed without having to kill innocent people. In the time of swords and bows that's very easy.   But at some point the Amalekites were rendered ineffective to attack or defend.  Now, I'm still not one to think all the women and elderly or any male adults who weren't involved in the army needed to be genocide like killed, but even then at that point no one is hell bent on killing you because all that's left is children.  And killing innocent children is wrong.  Killing innocent children is what serial killers do.  Killing innocent children is evil.   Killing innocent children is what evil men do. 

The Nazi's justified it with the "Final Solution".

10,000 years 20,000 years, what ever.  Every generation I'm left with a nation of innocent children that i have a choice as to what to do with.  I can choose to murder them all because of what they might do or i can chose try to change the cycle.  Because of the morals that I have i will always try as our more civilized society in this modern age would.   It's worked with some amaekites as you have said.  Regardless, killing them off, committing total genocide is wrong, it's murder, it's evil.

Once again, you don't know your enemy. And as history has shown, once the Amalekites' numbers were replenished, they resumed their attacks on Israel. Don't you think after some 300 years plus, the Israelites tried to "change the cycle"? At some point, you make the call that enough is enough and 300 years is more than enough time to "change the cycle".

The simple fact is that, the AMALEKITES THEMSELVES had no intentions of changing the cycle. And watching your people get assaulted and, at certain points, nearly being driven into starvation, simply because you're worried about their kids, is utterly preposterous. The Amalekites had their opportunites to "change the cycle" yet they didn't. Therefore, the edict was made. It was time for them to go.

Even when Saul botched it up, the Amalekites had YET ANOTHER CHANCE to "change the cycle". Take a wild guess as to what happened. Look at the book of Esther. Of course, this woman became known as the courageous soul who helped save her people from doom, at the hand of Haman who was (you guessed it)......AN AMALEKITE.

As for the Amalekites who did defect, what do think happened to them at the hands of their fellow countrymen, when they resumed their attacks on Israel? They met the sword, just as the Israelites did. Letting your people suffer for thousands of years on end, because of the "morals you have", suggests that your priorities are a bit off.

I will try for peace and reconciliation as well. But, after a reasonable amount of time (and 300 years is more than reasonable for me), when an enemy has made it clear that he and his people will not rest until he destroys me and my people, all bets are off. As stated earlier, if I have to destroy all of them to keep them from destroy all of me and my people, so be it.

[fitt@40]

I must tell you that my sound card failed a few days ago.  I do not have the benefit of listening to the video, but it does a good job of stating its intent.

I am an educated Christian, and I have a college degree.  I state it as such because the two (educated and college degree) do not always go hand-in-hand.

The video asks, 'Have you ever thought about using your college education to think about your faith?'
My college education is based on man's understanding of things.  My faith is based on God's.  I think it is foolish to try and compare man's wisdom to God's.

1.  Why don't God heal amputees?
I think it would be better asked, 'Why hasn't God healed amputees?'  God can do anything, and we know of one instance whereby he restored a body part.  When Jesus was first taken, one of the soldiers had his ear cut off.  Jesus healed it.  Of the amputees that have prayed to be healed, how many prayed to the God of Abraham?  Of those who prayed to the God of Abraham, how many were truly born again?  Of those who were truly born again, how many prayed without doubt?  God brought Lazarus back from the dead after four days.  Surely there is no doubt he can restore a missing body part.  God tells us that we have the ability to move mountains (literally) if we have faith.  God's ability to do these wonders is not in question.  It is our faith.  Your video says I must create some kind of rationalization.  Not true.  What I have stated has been, and always will be, God's words.

2. Why are there so many starving people in the world?
Because  our world is moving away from God.  Why are people quick to blame Godfor all of the wrong in the world, yet at the same time, they do not obey his Word?  If you will, let us take God out of the equation for a moment.  The greed in mankind is associated with world hunger.  We have the ability to ensure that no one goes hungry.  However, it is not profitable to do so. 

More than likely, you are going to say that the children of Sudan are innocent.  There are things a people do that cause generational curses.  These curses can be broken through Jesus Christ.  Only a foolish person would say God wants these children to suffer.

3. Why does God demand the death of so many innocent people?
Innocent by whose standard?  The Scriptures in the video are talking about people who are not innocent according to God's Word.  Those things may appear trivial to you, but we are not God.  We do not understand all of His actions.  I can think of one time when God sought the life of an innocent person.  God instructed Abraham to sacrifice his own son.  As we know, He did not have Abraham go through with it.

4. Why does the Bible contain such anti-scientific nonsense?
The Bible is not anti-science.  When scientists discover something, they are merely learning about something God already knows.  I challenge you to name one thing man has made that was not the result of something originally made by God.  You cannot because all that there is was created by God.  I agree that there are things in the Bible that make no sense from a scientific perspective.  However, the same be said within the science field.  Can you imagine telling a scientist (400 years ago) that you wanted to build a land vehicle that travels faster that the speed of sound?  It would not surprise me that one day we will actually have human transport machines.  Science and God only conflicts when science contradicts God's word (evolution).  As for the examples in the video, I agree that they do not make sense from a scientific perspective, but God said it and I believe.  The last example states, 'God did not crate Adam from a handful of dust like the Bible says.'  What is it that we turn (return) to after death?

5.Why is God such a huge proponent of slavery?  Not sure what this has to do with science, but anyway...
God was never a proponent of slavery.  It was never in His original intent for us.  He gave us guidance on slavery because it became a part of mankind.  This is like the instructions He gave us on divorce.  It was never His intent for a man and woman to divorce.  When we read of slavery in the Bible, we instantly think of the type of slavery that happened in America (and other places throughout history).  Read the scripture your video stated and you will see that it is not the same.

6.  Why do bad things happen to good people?
- Many "good" people do not live according to God's Will.
- The enemy (satan) is forever attacking the children of God.
- As stated before, there are things our ancestors did that cause generational curses.

7.  Why didn't any of Jesus' miracles leave behind any evidence?
If you had proof (evidence) of God and Christ, why would you need faith?  I personally believe that is evidence everywhere.  It is just a matter of believing it is of God or just a random happening.

8.  How do we never explain the fact that Jesus never appear to you?
You are making an assumption.  The Bible tells us we will know His voice when He calls us.  The first time I heard Him call out my name in the middle of the night, I knew it was Him.  Without faith, it is impossible to understand this.  The Bible teaches us to be careful in how we treat strangers because there are times we entertain Angels and are not aware of it.

9.  Why would Jesus want you to drink His blood and eat His body?
Purely symbolic.  We are one body in the Lord, and His blood was sacrificed for us.

10.  Why do Christians get divorced at the same rate as non-Christians?
- Not all who profess to be Christians are Christians
- Christians sometimes drift away from God.
- Christians sometimes marry for the wrong reasons.  Many Christian marriages were not put together by God.


Your video states that in order to believe in God, you have to create all sorts of strange rationalization and excuses.  I say in order to believe, you must have faith and as the Bible says "lean not to your own understanding (Proverbs 3: 5-6)

Your video also states that those of us who believe are delusional.  To all Christians reading this: Our God has told us that this type of stuff was coming.  We know that it is going to get much worse.  I pray that you all will hang onto the Faith and endure until the end.  God Bless.

[big L dawg]

I must tell you that my sound card failed a few days ago.  I do not have the benefit of listening to the video, but it does a good job of stating its intent.

I am an educated Christian, and I have a college degree.  I state it as such because the two (educated and college degree) do not always go hand-in-hand.

The video asks, 'Have you ever thought about using your college education to think about your faith?'
My college education is based on man's understanding of things.  My faith is based on God's.  I think it is foolish to try and compare man's wisdom to God's.

1.  Why don't God heal amputees?
I think it would be better asked, 'Why hasn't God healed amputees?'  God can do anything, and we know of one instance whereby he restored a body part.  When Jesus was first taken, one of the soldiers had his ear cut off.  Jesus healed it.  Of the amputees that have prayed to be healed, how many prayed to the God of Abraham?  Of those who prayed to the God of Abraham, how many were truly born again?  Of those who were truly born again, how many prayed without doubt?  God brought Lazarus back from the dead after four days.  Surely there is no doubt he can restore a missing body part.  God tells us that we have the ability to move mountains (literally) if we have faith.  God's ability to do these wonders is not in question.  It is our faith.  Your video says I must create some kind of rationalization.  Not true.  What I have stated has been, and always will be, God's words.

2. Why are there so many starving people in the world?
Because  our world is moving away from God.  Why are people quick to blame Godfor all of the wrong in the world, yet at the same time, they do not obey his Word?  If you will, let us take God out of the equation for a moment.  The greed in mankind is associated with world hunger.  We have the ability to ensure that no one goes hungry.  However, it is not profitable to do so. 

More than likely, you are going to say that the children of Sudan are innocent.  There are things a people do that cause generational curses.  These curses can be broken through Jesus Christ.  Only a foolish person would say God wants these children to suffer.

3. Why does God demand the death of so many innocent people?
Innocent by whose standard?  The Scriptures in the video are talking about people who are not innocent according to God's Word.  Those things may appear trivial to you, but we are not God.  We do not understand all of His actions.  I can think of one time when God sought the life of an innocent person.  God instructed Abraham to sacrifice his own son.  As we know, He did not have Abraham go through with it.

4. Why does the Bible contain such anti-scientific nonsense?
The Bible is not anti-science.  When scientists discover something, they are merely learning about something God already knows.  I challenge you to name one thing man has made that was not the result of something originally made by God.  You cannot because all that there is was created by God.  I agree that there are things in the Bible that make no sense from a scientific perspective.  However, the same be said within the science field.  Can you imagine telling a scientist (400 years ago) that you wanted to build a land vehicle that travels faster that the speed of sound?  It would not surprise me that one day we will actually have human transport machines.  Science and God only conflicts when science contradicts God's word (evolution).  As for the examples in the video, I agree that they do not make sense from a scientific perspective, but God said it and I believe.  The last example states, 'God did not crate Adam from a handful of dust like the Bible says.'  What is it that we turn (return) to after death?

5.Why is God such a huge proponent of slavery?  Not sure what this has to do with science, but anyway...
God was never a proponent of slavery.  It was never in His original intent for us.  He gave us guidance on slavery because it became a part of mankind.  This is like the instructions He gave us on divorce.  It was never His intent for a man and woman to divorce.  When we read of slavery in the Bible, we instantly think of the type of slavery that happened in America (and other places throughout history).  Read the scripture your video stated and you will see that it is not the same.

6.  Why do bad things happen to good people?
- Many "good" people do not live according to God's Will.
- The enemy (satan) is forever attacking the children of God.
- As stated before, there are things our ancestors did that cause generational curses.

7.  Why didn't any of Jesus' miracles leave behind any evidence?
If you had proof (evidence) of God and Christ, why would you need faith?  I personally believe that is evidence everywhere.  It is just a matter of believing it is of God or just a random happening.

8.  How do we never explain the fact that Jesus never appear to you?
You are making an assumption.  The Bible tells us we will know His voice when He calls us.  The first time I heard Him call out my name in the middle of the night, I knew it was Him.  Without faith, it is impossible to understand this.  The Bible teaches us to be careful in how we treat strangers because there are times we entertain Angels and are not aware of it.

9.  Why would Jesus want you to drink His blood and eat His body?
Purely symbolic.  We are one body in the Lord, and His blood was sacrificed for us.

10.  Why do Christians get divorced at the same rate as non-Christians?
- Not all who profess to be Christians are Christians
- Christians sometimes drift away from God.
- Christians sometimes marry for the wrong reasons.  Many Christian marriages were not put together by God.


Your video states that in order to believe in God, you have to create all sorts of strange rationalization and excuses.  I say in order to believe, you must have faith and as the Bible says "lean not to your own understanding (Proverbs 3: 5-6)

Your video also states that those of us who believe are delusional.  To all Christians reading this: Our God has told us that this type of stuff was coming.  We know that it is going to get much worse.  I pray that you all will hang onto the Faith and endure until the end.  God Bless.

fitt is or was your mother/father atheist?if not were they Christian or something else.

[OzmO]

Ummmm.....I'm not citing the Jews' assimilation laws as a reason to do anything. YOU ARE! You're the one who was crying "slavery", when the subject was brought up on Israel's laws on how to treat the remnants of their defeated enemies.

What are you talking about?  You are the one that brought up assimilation laws. 

They don't have to make them slaves.  They can change the way they do things. 

Again what are you talking about?  What's your point?  That becuase of their laws and my refusal to justify slavery it's immpossible? 

that's stupid.  They only need to change the way they do things.

They are primitive people.  I'm not surprised.

And, as mentioned earlier, Israel was under no obligation to take care of the Amalekites' children, while the Amalekites were continuing their attempts to destroy the Israelites.

We are you talking about?  After the threat is eliminated and all that's left is innocent children. 

Once again, you don't know your enemy. And as history has shown, once the Amalekites' numbers were replenished, they resumed their attacks on Israel. Don't you think after some 300 years plus, the Israelites tried to "change the cycle"? At some point, you make the call that enough is enough and 300 years is more than enough time to "change the cycle".

No not at all.  In fact I'm willing to bet that a primitive peoples who still bought and sold slaves and killed children never did much to change the cycle.   Even then, every time they commit their adult genocide, the slate is wiped clean with the children.

The simple fact is that, the AMALEKITES THEMSELVES had no intentions of changing the cycle.

 

How could they have any intention of changing a cycle when the adults are dead?

And watching your people get assaulted and, at certain points, nearly being driven into starvation, simply because you're worried about their kids, is utterly preposterous.

I'm not suggesting they don't do anything about it.  I'm only saying murdering children and committing genocide isn't the answer.

Aside from that, the order came from God, who, as we established had the power to completely take care of it without murdering children.

The Amalekites had their opportunites to "change the cycle" yet they didn't. Therefore, the edict was made. It was time for them to go

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The adults had opportunities to change the cycle and failed.  The children were not involved so killing them was murder.

Even when Saul botched it up, the Amalekites had YET ANOTHER CHANCE to "change the cycle". Take a wild guess as to what happened. Look at the book of Esther. Of course, this woman became known as the courageous soul who helped save her people from doom, at the hand of Haman who was (you guessed it)......AN AMALEKITE.

Once again, confusing innocent children with guilty adults

As for the Amalekites who did defect, what do think happened to them at the hands of their fellow countrymen, when they resumed their attacks on Israel? They met the sword, just as the Israelites did. Letting your people suffer for thousands of years on end, because of the "morals you have", suggests that your priorities are a bit off.

Not at all.  Killing children for what they might do is wrong.  It is MURDER.  Your morals as we had also established put you on the potentially dangerous list.

I will try for peace and reconciliation as well. But, after a reasonable amount of time (and 300 years is more than reasonable for me), when an enemy has made it clear that he and his people will not rest until he destroys me and my people, all bets are off. As stated earlier, if I have to destroy all of them to keep them from destroy all of me and my people, so be it.

Personally i think the whole 300 years is more revisionist history to justify their act of genocide.  But whatever, even then, it doesn't justify murder.

And to think, with the power of God, that's the best he could come up with?  Commit genocide?  lol

[fitt@40]

fitt is or was your mother/father atheist?if not were they Christian or something else.

Both of my parents are deceased.  My parents divorced when I was about nine years old, and I remained with my father.  I would say that my mother later became a non-committed Christian.  I state it this way because (from what I could tell) her life did not reflect that of a person who dedicated herself to Christ.  She was not an influence on me because I didn't have very much contact with her.  As for my father, if you were to ask him if he believed in God, he would say yes and he did own a Bible (though I never saw him read it).  However, like my mother, he did not live his life as such.  Not once in my life did he offer any religious advice and/or guidance.  I can say that with absolute certainty.  If you are trying to ascertain where I developed my way of thinking, I can tell you it is not that simple.  I am not a religious person in the same sense most Christian people are.  Most Christians are looking for some rules, and in many cases, ma-made protocols, to guide their lives.  Christ means so much more to us than that.