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Re: I'll be onstage competing again in 3 months (definite)
« Reply #325 on: February 26, 2009, 03:31:22 PM »

Because there is a growing number of people who fear going into a large gym because they assume they will be ridiculed and harrassed.  In addition, people don't want to spend time walking around a large gym looking for help with equipment and eventually they stop coming all together.  And the fees for a personal trainer at a gym can be from $100-$200 dollars per session


A private studio allows that person to be comfortable with their surroundings without having to deal with assholes or not getting help who would make fun of them and they are more than willing to pay more for the services.  Plus that trainer can charge much less than what a gym would charge giving lots of customer retention.  In addition, the trainer can also sell nutritional supplements which adds to his residual income.  Most PT's can't sell supplements except the gyms and they usually don't get any money from it.  Best of all, the trainer doesn't have to do the "one free session" for new gym members which saves them a time from being wasted.  I always hated doing that because they just forked down a ton of money for the membership so they're not in the spending mood anyway....its a waste of time for the most part.

You are so WAY off on here I don't have time to even dissect it.  First I have never been in a gym that a personal trainer charges $200 a session.  The most anyone charges in Hawaii is $125 I think a session and that is Faildo and he knows alot more than any trainer where you live I am sure of that.  I am sure their are guys out there who can get that but the number is very very very low.  If you are going to let the PT keep all the money they make.  How are you going to pay the bills?  By the memberships only.  There is no way ever you can do that.  This just shows that you have no idea what you are doing.  Have you even put together financials for this.  Get a spread sheet and put down the costs and expenses.  You will be in the red the day you start till the day they foreclose on you.  How many people do you expect per day to train in such a small place and hardly any equipment.  You may be able to get 2 to 4 people an hour there.  How in the fuck can you run a business like that.  NO WAY in hell.  And those free sessions have a purpose.  It gives the member the experince of PT and then they sign up for packages.  The only reason it didn't work for you is because you are not a trainer nor someone who people are going to want to have train them.  At Golds In Honolulu, a person would sign up for a membership for $600 and then spend another $800 for PT and another $500+ for Nutritionanaylisis.  The best time to get them to buy PT is when they sign up.  Honestly I really doubt you even go to a gym.  You have no idea how one is operated.

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Re: I'll be onstage competing again in 3 months (definite)
« Reply #326 on: February 26, 2009, 03:33:51 PM »
At least Melvin Goodrum has won a trophy in a bodybuilding contest. How many here can claim that? Goatboy? Naw, that dude is probably in timeout where he belongs.
I can say I've won trophies so I can still mock Vince

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« Reply #327 on: February 26, 2009, 03:42:42 PM »
Keith, you know Melvin is a true expert in fitness and has done a marketing plan for his wellness studio. It is a different concept from a gym but as a business it must follow the same principles. So you are right to question what idea Melvin has that is going to be viable.

I have some personal trainers in my gym and they are a problem. You have to charge them something if they use your premises to earn a living. It is as simple as that. We also have self-styled trainers who assist other members. This should not be tolerated, either, but long-time regulars are given some leeway here.

From what Melvin writes I would say he has no business experience at all and would find it difficult to earn a living from fitness and health. At least he is smart enough to post his ideas on Getbig so he can get some valuable feedback. One wonders if he is smart enough to profit from the good advice. What we see here is his commitment to his own untested dreams.

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Re: I'll be onstage competing again in 3 months (definite)
« Reply #328 on: February 26, 2009, 03:48:17 PM »
I can say I've won trophies so I can still mock Vince

I think if we have won trophies we shouldn't mock others who want to compete. It is easier said than done. Melvin invites ridicule because he boasts about how great he is going to look and then shows up presenting nothing but an untrained physique with reasonable arms and calves. That is never going to win a contest. I mean, if you don't show up with three rows of abdominals you really aren't serious about competition.

Melvin's photos tell the whole story.

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Re: I'll be onstage competing again in 3 months (definite)
« Reply #329 on: February 26, 2009, 03:48:39 PM »
Basile have you sold many tickets to the 25th Australian Pro show??have you got your Free tickets??

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Re: I'll be onstage competing again in 3 months (definite)
« Reply #330 on: February 26, 2009, 07:19:51 PM »
Bill Pec fitness here in Portland , going on 12 years he charges anywhere from 100-200 a session, hes not even that good, 1200 square feet he made over 175k last year. Onlyme is not up on current trends in the business

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Re: I'll be onstage competing again in 3 months (definite)
« Reply #331 on: February 26, 2009, 11:13:25 PM »
Bill Pec fitness here in Portland , going on 12 years he charges anywhere from 100-200 a session, hes not even that good, 1200 square feet he made over 175k last year. Onlyme is not up on current trends in the business

Wrong I am up on it.  You are telling of one person.  He charges that much and you say he is not that good yet he has cliets.  What does that say about the cliental in your area.  Pretty stupid uh?  The average PT makes between $45 and $80 an hour.  I have a friend (who is dead now) who was a PT and he made well over $20,000 a month training and would get $500 an session.  Big deal.  There will always be a few here and there.  Your man Bill Pec (if he really does get that) is not the majority but the minority.  And saying I am not up on the industry is laughable.  But I admit i do not much about those small hole in the wall places like you and your business partner Goodrum know.  So you definitely are up on me on that one.

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Re: I'll be onstage competing again in 3 months (definite)
« Reply #332 on: February 26, 2009, 11:20:22 PM »
Bill Pec fitness here in Portland , going on 12 years he charges anywhere from 100-200 a session, hes not even that good, 1200 square feet he made over 175k last year. Onlyme is not up on current trends in the business


Exactly and Keith is dismissing it simply because he operates his own gym franchise.

Personal Training Studio's are the new trend in fitness.  Its more personalized and much more focused on the client plus with a massage therapy license, they can expand their potential customer base.

I don't know this Bill Pec guy but it sounds like he's got his shit together and there's a lot of people like him out there doing the same thing.

Its not going to eliminate the existence of gyms but it will put a nice dent into it.... ;D
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Re: I'll be onstage competing again in 3 months (definite)
« Reply #333 on: February 26, 2009, 11:22:46 PM »
So I have thought about doing a bodybuilding contest as incentive to drop weight for the summer. BUt i don't want to join a show unless I know there will only be 1 or 2 other people so i am guaranteed a trophy. How do I go about finding something like this?

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Re: I'll be onstage competing again in 3 months (definite)
« Reply #334 on: February 26, 2009, 11:24:01 PM »
Bill Pec fitness here in Portland , going on 12 years he charges anywhere from 100-200 a session, hes not even that good, 1200 square feet he made over 175k last year. Onlyme is not up on current trends in the business

By the way D&B has his annual earnings at $90,000.  I think you were a little (alot) off.  Nice try though

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Re: I'll be onstage competing again in 3 months (definite)
« Reply #335 on: February 26, 2009, 11:28:07 PM »

Personal Training Studio's are the new trend in fitness.  Its more personalized and much more focused on the client plus with a massage therapy license, they can expand their potential customer base.


Good luck, but, with the current state of the economy, I believe the personal training business is in for some rough sledding. We're talking about an ultra-discretionary expense which will be the 1st thing to go when someone decides to cut living costs.

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Re: I'll be onstage competing again in 3 months (definite)
« Reply #336 on: February 26, 2009, 11:29:51 PM »
You are so WAY off on here I don't have time to even dissect it.  First I have never been in a gym that a personal trainer charges $200 a session.  The most anyone charges in Hawaii is $125 I think a session and that is Faildo and he knows alot more than any trainer where you live I am sure of that.  I am sure their are guys out there who can get that but the number is very very very low.  If you are going to let the PT keep all the money they make.  How are you going to pay the bills?  By the memberships only.  There is no way ever you can do that.  This just shows that you have no idea what you are doing.  Have you even put together financials for this.  Get a spread sheet and put down the costs and expenses.  You will be in the red the day you start till the day they foreclose on you.  How many people do you expect per day to train in such a small place and hardly any equipment.  You may be able to get 2 to 4 people an hour there.  How in the fuck can you run a business like that.  NO WAY in hell.  And those free sessions have a purpose.  It gives the member the experince of PT and then they sign up for packages.  The only reason it didn't work for you is because you are not a trainer nor someone who people are going to want to have train them.  At Golds In Honolulu, a person would sign up for a membership for $600 and then spend another $800 for PT and another $500+ for Nutritionanaylisis.  The best time to get them to buy PT is when they sign up.  Honestly I really doubt you even go to a gym.  You have no idea how one is operated.


500 dollars for a Nutritional Analysis???  What kind of bullshit fee is that????  Whoever owns that gym is ripping people off with this shit.  I've never charged anyone that kind of money for such a simple task


And that's just it really.  A lot of personal trainers are sick and tired of the gym making them bring in their customers, train the new member, and then get a huge chunk of their training fees for those who do along with having to convince someone to pay 500 dollars for a Nutritional Analysis....... ::)
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Re: I'll be onstage competing again in 3 months (definite)
« Reply #337 on: February 26, 2009, 11:31:20 PM »
Good luck, but, with the current state of the economy, I believe the personal training business is in for some rough sledding. We're talking about an ultra-discretionary expense which will be the 1st thing to go when someone decides to cut living costs.


Getting in shape cuts down on medical bills and supplements will always be inexpensive enough for people to afford. 
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Re: I'll be onstage competing again in 3 months (definite)
« Reply #338 on: February 26, 2009, 11:38:11 PM »

500 dollars for a Nutritional Analysis???  What kind of bullshit fee is that????  Whoever owns that gym is ripping people off with this shit.  I've never charged anyone that kind of money for such a simple task


And that's just it really.  A lot of personal trainers are sick and tired of the gym making them bring in their customers, train the new member, and then get a huge chunk of their training fees for those who do along with having to convince someone to pay 500 dollars for a Nutritional Analysis....... ::)

Again you are showing ignorance.  Nutritionananalysis is was what Gold's Gym had for years.  Neal Spruce created it and about 6 years or so later he sold it for $16 million or so.  So I don't think it was that stupid.  Now he has Bodybug.  See if you knew or have been in a real gym you would have known that.  Those little hole i the wall place you are trying to push are great for a small piece of the pie.  They are something will may last a little while but in the long run won't make.  Like I showed above in that gym he specified, there annual income was estimated at $90,000.  that is gross reciepts.  Please don't tell me you think that is alot of money for a business.  My small 14,000 sq. ft. gym in a small town in the middle of the ocean was doing $60,000 t0 $80,000 a month.  We maybe would have 1 month a year that was under $60,000.  Sorry but your concept of a profitable business is way far away from mine.

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Re: I'll be onstage competing again in 3 months (definite)
« Reply #339 on: February 26, 2009, 11:44:22 PM »
Here's some examples of successful personal training studios

www.the-garage-fitness.com
Trains clients right in their garage which is 16 x 26 feet

www.trainme247.com
400 sq ft!!!!!!!!

www.billpecfitness.com
1200 sq feet, Woodway Treadmills, and even home service which expands your base even more


Especially check out Garage Fitness because I find it pretty cool that they are training people in their fricking garage and the setup actually looks good
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Re: I'll be onstage competing again in 3 months (definite)
« Reply #340 on: February 27, 2009, 12:05:06 AM »
Here's some examples of successful personal training studios

www.the-garage-fitness.com
Trains clients right in their garage which is 16 x 26 feet

www.trainme247.com
400 sq ft!!!!!!!!

www.billpecfitness.com
1200 sq feet, Woodway Treadmills, and even home service which expands your base even more


Especially check out Garage Fitness because I find it pretty cool that they are training people in their fricking garage and the setup actually looks good

Vince I am not going to argue over this with you or Noel.  I know PT services is a huge money maker.  I stated it was the #2 revenue generator behind membership.  Those small hole in the wall studios are fine for a very very small niche in the market.  I know that.  But, to compare what is best way to generate an income to be comfortable with and a business that makes you a large income you cannot compare the two.  But there is no way you can ever convince me that the small piece of the pie is better than the HUGE piece of the pie. 

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Re: I'll be onstage competing again in 3 months (definite)
« Reply #341 on: February 27, 2009, 12:12:16 AM »
Again you are showing ignorance.  Nutritionananalysis is was what Gold's Gym had for years.  Neal Spruce created it and about 6 years or so later he sold it for $16 million or so.  So I don't think it was that stupid.  Now he has Bodybug.  See if you knew or have been in a real gym you would have known that.  Those little hole i the wall place you are trying to push are great for a small piece of the pie.  They are something will may last a little while but in the long run won't make.  Like I showed above in that gym he specified, there annual income was estimated at $90,000.  that is gross reciepts.  Please don't tell me you think that is alot of money for a business.  My small 14,000 sq. ft. gym in a small town in the middle of the ocean was doing $60,000 t0 $80,000 a month.  We maybe would have 1 month a year that was under $60,000.  Sorry but your concept of a profitable business is way far away from mine.


Uuh, Keith.  I WORKED AT GOLD'S GYM IN GREENVILLE AS A TRAINER WHEN IT WAS OPEN!!!  We didn't charge $500 dollars for that.

And Keith, when your equipment is all paid for and all you have to do is keep the lights on and wash the showers as Bill Pec does, you keep most of that money.  $90,000 is an estimate which calculates every year he's been in business including when he started.  Most businesses don't make back their investment in the first year.



BTW, try calling this a hole in the wall.  Perl Personal Training Studio

http://holisticwellnessnetwork.com/Personal-Trainers-Montclair-NJ-Glen-Ridge-Verona-Cedar-Grove-Livingston-Short-Hills-Millburn-Summit-Berkeley-Heights-New-Providence-Murray-Hill-Chatham-Madison-Morristown-Caldwell-New-Jersey-Essex-Morris-County-Holistic-Wellness-Network-EFT/Training_Studio.html


This place is a gym's worst nightmare.  You can't possibly not be impressed by this.  That's the advantage of being independent and free from franchises...you can establish your own legacy, make your own rules, and do what you want in a gym and this place is very personalized and stylish.
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Re: I'll be onstage competing again in 3 months (definite)
« Reply #342 on: February 27, 2009, 12:15:11 AM »

Especially check out Garage Fitness because I find it pretty cool that they are training people in their fricking garage and the setup actually looks good

No, it looks cramped and claustophobic, with very limited equipment. I would never pay to train at such a place.'

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« Reply #343 on: February 27, 2009, 12:19:25 AM »
What are the two gyms in Sylva like, Melvin? Are you working at any of them?

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Re: I'll be onstage competing again in 3 months (definite)
« Reply #344 on: February 27, 2009, 12:19:59 AM »
Vince I am not going to argue over this with you or Noel.  I know PT services is a huge money maker.  I stated it was the #2 revenue generator behind membership.  Those small hole in the wall studios are fine for a very very small niche in the market.  I know that.  But, to compare what is best way to generate an income to be comfortable with and a business that makes you a large income you cannot compare the two.  But there is no way you can ever convince me that the small piece of the pie is better than the HUGE piece of the pie. 


BTW, why don't you tell us all what happenned to that 80,000 a month gym????  chuckle
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Re: I'll be onstage competing again in 3 months (definite)
« Reply #345 on: February 27, 2009, 12:30:24 AM »
Vince I am not going to argue over this with you or Noel.  I know PT services is a huge money maker.  I stated it was the #2 revenue generator behind membership.  Those small hole in the wall studios are fine for a very very small niche in the market.  I know that.  But, to compare what is best way to generate an income to be comfortable with and a business that makes you a large income you cannot compare the two.  But there is no way you can ever convince me that the small piece of the pie is better than the HUGE piece of the pie. 


The small piece of the pie is a much better investment because its minimum risk and minimum investment.

In order for someone to open a gym, they would need to have at least $1,000,000 of available funds just to even think about it...perhaps more.

While you can make a lot more money a month, you can lose a lot more money a month just as well.  The Gold's Gym I trained people at at is no longer there because the owners ran out of money to operate it.  They ended up selling lifetime memberships for 1000.00 dollars right up to the very last day they opened.  I came in as usual and found a bunch of moving vans and all of my training stuff I had in my locker was long gone.

Of course, all of the clients I was training didn't follow me to the next gym because they assumed I had knowledge of it happenning when I didn't.  I was an independent contractor.


That's why I recommend personal trainers to get their own studios because its the wave of the future and they can make more money than they would at a gym along with having their independence and freedom


Having a successful gym is a very small minority and it usually is only successful for a short time...Just ask Bally's
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Re: I'll be onstage competing again in 3 months (definite)
« Reply #346 on: February 27, 2009, 12:46:52 AM »
I remember several years ago, someone opened a storefront personal training studio on my block (I live in Manhattan, upper eastside), just as Keith described, the place did ok for a little while, then, went out of business. People like the amenities of the big gyms/health clubs.


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Re: I'll be onstage competing again in 3 months (definite)
« Reply #347 on: February 27, 2009, 12:53:21 AM »



Along with 150 cans of tuna and frozen veggies, I am more than ready to get things done right.  Because of obvious reasons, I will not name the shows I will be in with the exception of a possible entrance into the OCB Midwest States in November but I thing is for sure....I will kick ass.

 
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Re: I'll be onstage competing again in 3 months (definite)
« Reply #348 on: February 27, 2009, 01:11:55 AM »

BTW, why don't you tell us all what happenned to that 80,000 a month gym????  chuckle

My overhead and costs equalled about $45,000 to $50,000 a month.  The profit went back into the gym in upgrades and the balance went to the partners on Maui.  My payroll was about $20,000 a month.  Electric alone averaged $4,000 a month with water abut $500.  Rent was $14,000 a month.  Cable and phone was about $400 month.  COGS was about $1500 or so month.  Cleaning was $1200 a month. Copier lease was $500 a month.  Paper Goods and soap etc. was about $600 a month.  Can't remember some other shit.  All the equipment was paid for with most of it coming from the fire sale at Worlds Gym in Honolulu.  One thing about having a little hole in the wall, you don't have these costs.  But then again you aren't making the money to have them either

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Re: I'll be onstage competing again in 3 months (definite)
« Reply #349 on: February 27, 2009, 01:19:52 AM »
This is the STUPIDEST fucking thread ever.  Garage gym?  Haha what a fucking joke.