Random Question

[Arnold jr]

Random question, more out of curiosity than anything else.

The Mega Dosing thread just got me curious about some of you here on getbig

3 drugs, dbol, tren-a and HGH

Who here has run high end doses of this stuff? What did you think?

Dbol: more than 100mg/ed for at least 4wks
Tren-a: anything over 100mg/ed
HGH: Not sure where I want to put the dosage on this one...definitely more than 4 or 5iu...lets say more than 10iu/ed


Thoughts?

No, I do not plan on running any of these items this high...simply a curiosity based question.

[Dr Pangloss]

I would respectfully like to add that there is evidence that the weight gain achieved by administering anabolic steroids and the wieght gain achieved by administering growth hormone are independent of one another. 

A better way to think of it is AAS + growth hormone would be expected to give better growth than increasing your dose of AAS alone or increasing your dose of gh alone.  This is, as they relate to their known mechanisms of action.  for example, androgen receptors, etc.

[DIVISION]

I would respectfully like to add that there is evidence that the weight gain achieved by administering anabolic steroids and the wieght gain achieved by administering growth hormone are independent of one another. 

A better way to think of it is AAS + growth hormone would be expected to give better growth than increasing your dose of AAS alone or increasing your dose of gh alone.  This is, as they relate to their known mechanisms of action.  for example, androgen receptors, etc.

Sure, it's synergistic, but we already knew that.

It's too bad we have no way of knowing how much it adds to a cycle.

I'm guessing 3-4IU of quality GH to a Test/Tren/Winstrol cycle would feel nice.


DIV

[Dr Pangloss]

Sure, it's synergistic, but we already knew that.

It's too bad we have no way of knowing how much it adds to a cycle.

I'm guessing 3-4IU of quality GH to a Test/Tren/Winstrol cycle would feel nice.


DIV

i actually don't know that it "synergistic" per se.  That would suggest gh enhances the effect of Test and visa versa.  All that was found was that they are not occlussive, and that there effects are additive.   This suggests independent mechanisms.  Of course, it doesn't rule out synergism in trained athletes or at particular doses.

[abc123]

It's nice to have you on the board doc.

[Emmortal]

I ran some UG Dbol at 120mg ED for 4 weeks, although it was good quality Dbol I felt it was a bit underdosed compared to Naps or Pink Thais.  Anyway, I felt pretty damn good at that dose, full of energy and almost euphoric.  Towards the 4th week my blood pressure was increasing so I dropped the dose in half.

I haven't run high doses of GH for long periods of time.  When I'm doing high doses of GH I do it only a few times a week along with insulin.  I"ve ran as high as 20ius of GH with 30ius of Slin in one day (GH was done all at once and two shots of 15ius of slin were after that).  It took that much slin to bring my BGL back down.  I was putting on 3-4lbs a week doing that, most of that was water I think but I did retain about 5lbs after stopping it a month later.  I was on 800mg of test at the time.  That was just an experiment and I won't run it that high again.

As far as tren I don't run it any higher than 400mg a week, I've never felt the need to or wanted to even experiment going higher than that to be honest.  With Tren I can run it at that dose every time and get great gains from it.

[tbombz]

Random question, more out of curiosity than anything else.

The Mega Dosing thread just got me curious about some of you here on getbig

3 drugs, dbol, tren-a and HGH

Who here has run high end doses of this stuff? What did you think?

Dbol: more than 100mg/ed for at least 4wks
Tren-a: anything over 100mg/ed
HGH: Not sure where I want to put the dosage on this one...definitely more than 4 or 5iu...lets say more than 10iu/ed


Thoughts?

No, I do not plan on running any of these items this high...simply a curiosity based question.

ive tested both the dbol and the tren at higher doseages than what youve got listed there.  the dbol was a waste because i couldnt eat anything and felt horrily sick to my stomach all day. for three days afetrwards too. the tren was cool as far as how i felt in the gym and the results i got from it, but the rest of the day i was clench jawed and furious for no reason.

I would respectfully like to add that there is evidence that the weight gain achieved by administering anabolic steroids and the wieght gain achieved by administering growth hormone are independent of one another. 

A better way to think of it is AAS + growth hormone would be expected to give better growth than increasing your dose of AAS alone or increasing your dose of gh alone.  This is, as they relate to their known mechanisms of action.  for example, androgen receptors, etc.

when you try to explain synergy, the easiest way is just  1+1=3 ...       the weight gain from gh is a weight gain associated with hyperplasia while the weight gain from aas is from hypertrophy.....

[brent2741]

ive ran about 3 ius of gh with great results

[tbombz]

when i run gh ill run it super high dose after I train chest.....if i get enough $$$ illl do it every day, but that wont be for a while, considering high dose legti gh on an everyday basis is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[Emmortal]

when i run gh ill run it super high dose after I train chest.....if i get enough $$$ illl do it every day, but that wont be for a while, considering high dose legti gh on an everyday basis is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

There's not really any point to run it high dose every day IMO.  Lot of people have tested protocols and NOT doing it ED has worked best according to anecdotal evidence.   And remember, if you are running it high dose you HAVE to run Slin with it.

[tbombz]

There's not really any point to run it high dose every day IMO.  Lot of people have tested protocols and NOT doing it ED has worked best according to anecdotal evidence.   And remember, if you are running it high dose you HAVE to run Slin with it.

id do slin forshow

you know after i posted that i was thinking  that the ghrp s would be cheaper and just as effective... 

[Emmortal]

id do slin forshow

you know after i posted that i was thinking  that the ghrp s would be cheaper and just as effective... 

It might be if you coupled it with real CJC-1295, but just stay away from CJC-1295.  There isn't legit CJC out there that I'm aware of.

[tbombz]

what about fragment 176-191, and ghrp 6  ?


and  unrelated..how about peg mgf ?  im really interested in using it.. but have been hesitant

[Emmortal]

what about fragment 176-191, and ghrp 6  ?


and  unrelated..how about peg mgf ?  im really interested in using it.. but have been hesitant

Frag is good for fat loss, but isn't going to do anything for raising GH levels.  My stance on pegMGF still is the same, not really worth it.

[Luolamies]

At least that "guru" L. Rea thinks that MGF or Mehano Growth Factor is the shit (using the specific scientific term). If i only lived somewhere else (except in Africa) i could use other stuff than the basics, but since 30 mg dianabol ALONE gives me results i can't complain. One day i'll do a MEGA cycle just for the fun of it, whether i'll live to tell the story is another thing...

[DIVISION]

At least that "guru" L. Rea thinks that MGF or Mehano Growth Factor is the shit (using the specific scientific term). If i only lived somewhere else (except in Africa) i could use other stuff than the basics, but since 30 mg dianabol ALONE gives me results i can't complain. One day i'll do a MEGA cycle just for the fun of it, whether i'll live to tell the story is another thing...

Author L. Rea has been proven wrong several times......guru or not.

I found some of his theories entertaining but most just aren't backed up by any evidence.

He lives and dies on the income from his books, but having read them, I just don't agree with alot of what he says based on experience.

I think he likes being provocative and that's why he comes up with alot of the shit that he does.

At least Dan Duchaine was proven right on most of his theories after he died.


DIV

[tbombz]

At least that "guru" L. Rea thinks that MGF or Mehano Growth Factor is the shit (using the specific scientific term). If i only lived somewhere else (except in Africa) i could use other stuff than the basics, but since 30 mg dianabol ALONE gives me results i can't complain. One day i'll do a MEGA cycle just for the fun of it, whether i'll live to tell the story is another thing...

the science behind MGF is very appealing. MD had a researchj article entitled " MGF : most powerful anabolic ever?" ...do a quick search... the only p[robalem is finding legit stuff... thats why i ask and i am hesitant.,.. 

[Emmortal]

the science behind MGF is very appealing. MD had a researchj article entitled " MGF : most powerful anabolic ever?" ...do a quick search... the only p[robalem is finding legit stuff... thats why i ask and i am hesitant.,.. 

Exactly why I don't recommend using it.  Same with CJC-1295.