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How Ivy League narcissists killed Wall Street - GREAT ARTICLE!
« on: February 22, 2009, 03:45:54 PM »
How Ivy League narcissists killed Wall Street

01:00 AM EST on Sunday, February 22, 2009

KEVIN HASSETT
NEW YORK

FOR TWO CENTURIES, Wall Street survived wars, depressions, bank panics and terrorist attacks. Now Wall Street as we know it is dead. Gone.

When a healthy and thriving person dies suddenly, a medical examiner may talk to family and friends to see if the deceased had recently changed behavior in some way.

Wall Street did change radically in recent years in one notable way. Twenty or 30 years ago, it was common for the best and the brightest to be doctors or engineers. By the 2000s, they wanted to be investment bankers.

When Wall Street was run by people randomly selected from the population, it was able to survive everything. After the best and brightest took over, it died the first time that real-estate prices dropped 20 percent.

Are the two facts related? In other words, did Harvard kill Wall Street?

The suspect certainly had the opportunity. If you walked into any major Wall Street firm a year ago and randomly selected an employee, chances are that person would either be from an Ivy League school, such as Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Dartmouth, Brown and so on, or have an Masters in Business Administration, or both.

The statistics are striking. Back in the 1970s, it was typical for about 5 percent of Harvard graduates to work in the financial sector, according to a recent study by Harvard economists Claudia Goldin and Larry Katz. By the 1990s, that number was 15 percent. It probably climbed since then. And the proportion of those with MBAs grew as well. Economists Thomas Philippon, of New York University, and Ariell Reshef, of the University of Virginia, found that, in 1980, workers in finance earned about the same wages, on average, as workers in other sectors. By 2005, financial-sector workers earned 50 percent more than similar workers in other industries.

Philippon and Reshef went on to explore what caused the surge in wages in the financial sector. They found one of the key reasons was the increasing reliance on highly educated workers with post-graduate degrees.

Their results accord with anecdotal evidence concerning the hiring practice of Wall Street firms. A 2008 report in Fortune said that Goldman Sachs hired about 300 MBAs in 2007 and that, last year, Merrill Lynch and Citigroup were planning to hire 160 and 235 MBAs, respectively.

Is it just a coincidence that so many superstar minds arrived on Wall Street just as it died?

Perhaps not.

Wall Street is gone because its firms did a terrible job assessing the risks of the positions they took. The models these firms used to evaluate risks failed. But having a failed model brings a firm down only if the firm collectively buys into the model.

To do that, the firm must be run by people who have a great deal of faith in their models, and a great deal of faith in themselves. That’s where Ivy Leaguers and MBAs come in.

What do you get from an MBA? One recent study found that MBAs acquire an enormous amount of self-confidence during their graduate education. They learn to believe that they are the best and the brightest.

This narcissism has a real career impact. Psychologists at Ohio State University studied the behavior of 153 MBA students, who were put in groups of four and asked to orchestrate a large financial transaction on behalf of an imaginary company. The psychologists observed that the students who had the strongest narcissistic traits were most likely to emerge as leaders.

According to Amy Brunell, the lead author, the results of the study had large implications for real-world settings, because “narcissistic leaders tend to have volatile and risky decision-making performance and can be ineffective and potentially destructive leaders.”

Guys like John Thain (Harvard Business School, 1979) exemplify this behavior when their sense of entitlement is so grand that they can spend a fortune renovating an office while their firm is going up in flames.

The consequences of Wall Street’s reckless brilliance in many ways parallel modern-day engineering disasters. If you travel through Italy, you can’t help but notice the many Roman bridges that still stretch across that nation’s waterways. How is it that the Romans could build bridges that would last thousands of years, while the ones we build today collapse after a few decades?

The answer is simple. Back then, they did not have the fancy computers required to calculate exactly how strong a bridge must be. So an architect made a bridge very, very strong. Today, engineers can calculate exactly how much steel they need to incorporate into a bridge to bear the expected load. The result is, they are free to make them weaker.

Another result is less wiggle room for design error. Hence, modern bridges’ predilection for collapsing.

The same is true of the financial sector. Back when Wall Street was run by individuals without fancy degrees, they had a proper skepticism toward fancy models and managed their risks with a great deal more humility and caution. Only when failed models became canon did catastrophe strike.

Wall Street didn’t die in spite of being run by our best and brightest. It died because of that fact.

Kevin Hassett (khassettaei.org), director of economic-policy studies at the American Enterprise Institute, is a Bloomberg News columnist. He was an adviser to Sen. John McCain in the 2008 presidential campaign.


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This is very true based upon my personal experience  with many of these types. 

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Re: How Ivy League narcissists killed Wall Street - GREAT ARTICLE!
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2009, 03:55:51 PM »
So...the law school grad posts an article bashing the MBAs that made more money than he has. Jealousy is a bitch!  ;D

There is some truth to the article, however, I disagree with the overall premise.
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Re: How Ivy League narcissists killed Wall Street - GREAT ARTICLE!
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2009, 03:58:21 PM »
MBAs are taught to build something up then cash out at the highest possible point.  None of this long-term sustainability stuff. 

Maybe the great minds at the top all made their nut and bailed out this past year, who knows.  That oil 146 barrel deal seemed to clinch the mess we're in today.  They had their little run, and things are dismal now as a result.

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Re: How Ivy League narcissists killed Wall Street - GREAT ARTICLE!
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2009, 03:58:50 PM »
You are an idiot.  My business is growing, these fools are unemployed.


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Re: How Ivy League narcissists killed Wall Street - GREAT ARTICLE!
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2009, 04:03:29 PM »
Most MBA's dont know shit about business.  They know stocks, models, trading, etc.

They dont teach payroll, accounting, credit, etc.

I deal with a lot of these morons all the time and they are worse off, not better off because of ther ivy league education. 

They get in the door because of the degree, yes, but usually screw up later because they have no street sense and no common sense.

The same is true about lawyers.  I deal with some of these clowns all the time, and i ask them all the time how they can justify their billing rates while being so clueless.

I had a closing recently with a Park Ave. lawyer and the moron did not even know what a deed was. 

The client was very upset when my cousin vinny (myself) had to explain the deed to him and to do his work for him at the table along with the title closer.



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Re: How Ivy League narcissists killed Wall Street - GREAT ARTICLE!
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2009, 04:10:12 PM »
Talk to most students at ivy league schools and they'll tell you that economics is a joke major along with i-banking. The best and brightest still go the doctor and engineering route. He just sounds bitter that he doesn't make as much.

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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2009, 04:15:08 PM »
Talk to most students at ivy league schools and they'll tell you that economics is a joke major along with i-banking. The best and brightest still go the doctor and engineering route. He just sounds bitter that he doesn't make as much.

The point of the article was that these prima donnas think they are entitled to huge wealth and go to reckless levels of risk and shaky credit devices to get it.

In the end, everyone gets screwed over.

The hardest thing about any Ivy League school is getting in.  Any of them will tell you that.

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Re: How Ivy League narcissists killed Wall Street - GREAT ARTICLE!
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2009, 04:16:02 PM »
The point of the article was that these prima donnas think they are entitled to huge wealth and go to reckless levels of risk and shaky credit devices to get it.

In the end, everyone gets screwed over.

The hardest thing about any Ivy League school is getting in.  Any of them will tell you that.

Ahh, so what you're saying is that it's so simple anyone can do it. You sound bitter too.

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« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2009, 04:22:05 PM »
Ahh, so what you're saying is that it's so simple anyone can do it. You sound bitter too.

Not at all.  i work for myself and have two businesses i enjoy running.  I make my own hours, have my freedom, do what /i want.  I answer only to myself and my clients and do not have to be a corporate slave to anyone like these people do.

I do financially fine for myself, not like these thieves, but better than most. 

I could care less what people make so long as it is based on reality.  Many of these people on Wall street made fortunes based upon theft, concealment, churning peoples' stocks, and engaging in reckless schemes that we are all feeling the effects of.

To each his own.  I grew up around a lot of the type of people who went down there and its just not my game.

I am not into the culture of wall street and how they act.  A lot of these people are truly dissconnected with main street.  I personally prefer main street to wall street. 

Its all what you want to do.

I would not give up what I do for that for a few more dollars of income.  No way.

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Re: How Ivy League narcissists killed Wall Street - GREAT ARTICLE!
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2009, 06:13:04 PM »
For anyone who has been to graduate school in a profession besides teaching, getting an MBA is beyond a joke- The hard part is getting accepted to a good business school. Of course, you are more likely to get accepted if you have work experience, preferably from somewhere that is prestigious and of course you are more likely to have work experience from somewhere prestigious if you come from an ivy league school. IMO the difference between the financial sector and say law for instance, is that its a lot easier to coast by in the financial sector if you are incompetent as long as you are connected-- by and large

Med School, Law School, becoming a pharmacist etc. are 100000X harder.