NEVER feeling rested?

[CalvinH]

It's most likely because you aren't sleeping deeply. It doesn't matter if you 'sleep' for 8 or even 10 hours - if you wake up in between a few times knowingly (like to go to the loo) or unknowingly (stir and then go back to sleep without remembering), then you are going to feel tired for the rest of the day when you are awake.

The reasons could vary from simple to complex - do you drink any caffeinated drinks like coffee or tea in the couple of hours before bedtime? You'd still sleep, but not as deeply as you ought to be doing. Other reasons could be

- You sleeping next to a person who tosses and turns, that would stir you every few minutes
- You could be deficient in Zinc - common among males, especially those who exercise. You need Zinc to sleep properly, so try supplementing with ZMA
- You consume too much alcohol, which again interferes with your sleeping and reduces it's quality
- You could be exercising or doing things to elevate your metabolism close to bedtime - eg, if you workout from 7 - 9 pm and hit the hay around 10 pm
- You could be stressed from some aspect of your life - mental stress reduces your quality of sleep
- You could be eating too much sugar(y stuff) and / or drink a lot of fluids before bedtime, that makes you wake up to pee in the night a few times
- You could be overtraining and under-eating - try to take a couple of weeks off from the gym to recharge.
- Your immediate sleep environment - if it's too noisy, or bright or even if your bed is not comfortable, you won't sleep as deeply like you could be doing otherwise.

Sleep apnea mostly affects those who are grossly overweight and that's not your case. So if none of the stuff I've listed applies, try and consult a sleep specialist.

Cool! So there WAS a silver lining to the whole thing

Thanks,I'll read this right before I turn off the lights tonight

[bigmc]

sleep is the cousin of death 

[The Showstoppa]

I don't have this problem. I have unlimited alcohol and presciption drugs around me. Last night I was working on a chocolate showpiece and saw it was 2am. 2 valium and a couple shots of patron and I was out. Slept like a baby. Woke up in the same position I went to sleep in.

what was that, ankles behind ears?   

[kiwiol]

Thanks,I'll read this right before I turn off the lights tonight

May Renee Toney and Iris Kyle give you a what feels like a 'deep tissue massage' inside your ass in your dreams

[The Showstoppa]

No flat on my back. Shoes still on and the book I was reading on my chest. "The mysteries of molecular gastronomy".

Just the title of that book had me nodding off for a bit.

[CalvinH]

May Renee Toney and Iris Kyle give you a what feels like a 'deep tissue massage' inside your ass in your dreams

 

[spinnis]

dude me too!  I had a sleep study done, no problems there.  I need to keep searching, this could very well be chronic fatigue syndrome.  What does it take to solve?  I don't know yet, but this sucks bad.  One thing that helps, Sci-Fit caffeine pills.  In the morning on an empty stomach, then before the gym.

ephedrine, caffeine, coffe, energy drinks, Nothing gets me going lol.

I onced forced myself to go up and drink coffee.

woke up 07.00 drank 3 cups of coffee, waited 15 min nothing happened, laid and rested in bed and woke up 12.00 Super tired

[spinnis]

I have been overdosing on pepsi max lately though, and that contains coffeine I think 1.5 litre a day,
But Ive had this problem for Alot of years.

[spinnis]

It doesn't really matter, since you're gonna die before you;re 50

probably stabbed or shot by a niccro or a turk family 

[Van_Bilderass]

I haven't felt rested and fully alert in many years. Waiting for my sleep study to check for apnea.

I don't have this problem. I have unlimited alcohol and presciption drugs around me. Last night I was working on a chocolate showpiece and saw it was 2am. 2 valium and a couple shots of patron and I was out. Slept like a baby. Woke up in the same position I went to sleep in.

You felt like you slept well but those drugs fuck with your sleep architecture.

[CoolDuck]

Ok so, I never feel rested, it doesnt matter for how long or short I sleep, if I sleep 10 hours or 5 hours I feel exactly the same when I wake up = Like I haven't slept at all.

First thought is insomnia etc etc.
But my problem is , when I try to sleep I can fall asleep pretty quick, But I never get the urge to go and sleep, I feel as tired 10 in the "night" as I do 3 in the morning..
But I can fall asleep when I lay down and try to.

Anyone have the same problem and know what can cause it?

There are many possibilities and many different possible causes. Let me list some possibilities:

1. Sleep apnea: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_apnea
2. EDS http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=10473 (unlikely)
3. Narcolepsy (unlikely)
4. Chronic fatigue syndrome http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_fatigue_syndrome
5. Depression

I'd say some sort of fatigue condition is most likely. This can be caused by overtraining and long lasting stress.

Depression is also a possibility, if you tend to wake up very early and sleep lightly. Of course, you must also be depressed :-) for this diagnosis.

CD

[Samourai Pizzacat]

Make sure you:
- have a good sleeping rythm, say 00:00 to 08:00, don't deviate too much.
- read a book before sleeping
- don't drink alcohol or caffeinated drinks 4 hours prior to sleep.
- make sure the bedroom is properly dark and cool.
- have a busy (don't read stressed or swamped) schedule: work, studies, sports, social life.
- create a tidy environment, keep yer house/room/bedroom tidy.
- make sure it's quiet, by earplugs if needed.
- Don't exercise too late, this allows the body to easily cool down to its sleeping temperature.
having tried this and the problems still perseveres then see a doctor. By no means start popping pills or buying kit before you have ensured it's not a simple environmental or lifestyle problem.

[Emmortal]

I have sleep apena and suffered from many of the same symptoms you described.  I could sleep for 12+ hours and wake up feeling like I only slept an hour.  I ended up going in for two sleep studies, when the results came back I was waking up every 1.5 minutes.  When you fall asleep your muscles relax completely and they were causing my airways to become obstructed and this would cause me to stop breathing which would kick me out of sleep and wake me up.  I never realized I was waking up, but it was causing me to never fully get to sleep.  I now sleep with a CPAP machine.  It took a couple of months to get used to it, but now it's very easy to sleep with and I can't sleep without it.  I highly recommend you looking into and get a sleep study done.  It changed my life completely.  I don't feel like a walking zombie or like I was about to die, I'm alert and awake now and feel refreshed when I wake up.

[Bobby]

Maybe you sleep too much?

seriously that can be it...

Optimum amount of sleep is 7-8 hours straight. Anymore than that will not make you more rested, it will actually do the opposite.
One sleep cycle is let's say 8 hours. If you sleep 10 hours you will have finished one sleep cycle (optimum time to get up) and started another, so it's like if you get up after only sleeping 2 hours.

Try to set a pattern, like never stay up after 1.00 let's say you fall a sleep at 2...then you should get up at 10.00 even if you're tired force yourself to get up. (will get easier after a while)

at 10.00 you still feel tired and want to sleep more. But remember, anymore sleep beyond 8 hours will not make you more rested!
get up at 10.00

Sometime during the day, take a nap for 1-2 hours. This will help a lot as it is effective sleep. It will be more beneficial to sleep 2 hours in the middle of the day than adding 2 hours of sleep to your 8 hour night sleep.

Try this and see if it helps.

Sometimes when working etc and you can't get 8 hours every night, maybe only 6. This napping really helps to make you feel better.

[Boost]

Swede,

All the symptoms of being carb sensitive.

hard to get up in the morning? Napping all day? More energy at night?

Try low carb high fat for awhile.

Cheese, bacon, butter, u can have it all.



I know when i try to add weight by eating tons of carbs, i get so drowzy all day, no energy, no motivation,

find it real hard to get up in the morning, then back to bed a couple hours after getting up.

[Boost]

Maybe you sleep too much?

seriously that can be it...

Optimum amount of sleep is 7-8 hours straight. Anymore than that will not make you more rested, it will actually do the opposite.
One sleep cycle is let's say 8 hours. If you sleep 10 hours you will have finished one sleep cycle (optimum time to get up) and started another, so it's like if you get up after only sleeping 2 hours.

Try to set a pattern, like never stay up after 1.00 let's say you fall a sleep at 2...then you should get up at 10.00 even if you're tired force yourself to get up. (will get easier after a while)

at 10.00 you still feel tired and want to sleep more. But remember, anymore sleep beyond 8 hours will not make you more rested!
get up at 10.00

Sometime during the day, take a nap for 1-2 hours. This will help a lot as it is effective sleep. It will be more beneficial to sleep 2 hours in the middle of the day than adding 2 hours of sleep to your 8 hour night sleep.

Try this and see if it helps.

Sometimes when working etc and you can't get 8 hours every night, maybe only 6. This napping really helps to make you feel better.

I read that one sleep cycle is 90 mins. So the recommended is 5 cycles - 7 1/2 hours

[The BEAST]

You also could have a vitamin deficiency...you may want to try a Super B vitamin.  B vitamins, because they are water soluble and our bodies consistently need them, need to be replenished frequently and a lack of sufficient B vitamins can lead to fatigue, headaches, restlessnes...It may be worth a try if you haven't already.

[LatsMcGee]

Maybe you just need to make man gravy on a sassy classy woman before you retire.

[Rami]

quit any drugs from caffeine upwards, then fast and sleep.

[FitnessFrenzy]

Maybe you train too much / too many times per week. I've had the same problem as you before.. I now train less and feel great

[Get Rowdy]

Listening to music while laying in bed before sleeping helps me get solid sleep. 

[Tapeworm]

Some good suggestions in this thread.  I would suggest an apnea test too.  Don't take this wrong dude, but you're fairly short, right?  Are your parents short as well or should you be taller?  Most of your natural GH is released during deep sleep, and if you have trouble reaching that sleep state it may have affected your GH level and stature.  I'm not sure it works that way, I'm just guessing, but it seems logical.

Obviously, consider nutritional factors (and antinutritional ones like drinking), environmental, and psychological factors too. 

AND GET YOUR ASS TO A DOCTOR ABOUT THIS AND THE LEGS ALREADY!  DON'T MAKE ME START A 'SWEDE INTERVENTION' THREAD.

[spinnis]

Swede,

All the symptoms of being carb sensitive.

hard to get up in the morning? Napping all day? More energy at night?

Try low carb high fat for awhile.

Cheese, bacon, butter, u can have it all.



I know when i try to add weight by eating tons of carbs, i get so drowzy all day, no energy, no motivation,

find it real hard to get up in the morning, then back to bed a couple hours after getting up.

had the same problem when I did a low carb diet,
Im pretty low on carbs right now, well no gainers etc at lest lol =)

[spinnis]

Some good suggestions in this thread.  I would suggest an apnea test too.  Don't take this wrong dude, but you're fairly short, right?  Are your parents short as well or should you be taller?  Most of your natural GH is released during deep sleep, and if you have trouble reaching that sleep state it may have affected your GH level and stature.  I'm not sure it works that way, I'm just guessing, but it seems logical.

Obviously, consider nutritional factors (and antinutritional ones like drinking), environmental, and psychological factors too. 

AND GET YOUR ASS TO A DOCTOR ABOUT THIS AND THE LEGS ALREADY!  DON'T MAKE ME START A 'SWEDE INTERVENTION' THREAD.

Im the tallest one in my family even at 5"7 lol...


I should really check the legs though, would be cool to go out jogging

[spinnis]

Maybe you train too much / too many times per week. I've had the same problem as you before.. I now train less and feel great

had the same problem during my 3 months break from training