In Pro BB how much Drug use is Too much Drug use??

[Steve Namat]

drugs is 90 %

Drugs are essential but only for achieve a good contest shape. But even at that situation the 90 % is way too much and far from the truth.

[tom joad]

Drugs are essential but only for achieve a good contest shape. But even at that situation the 90 % is way too much and far from the truth.

if you were a lifetime natural, and you were just as committed to your nutrition & training as you are now, but you did everything WITHOUT DRUGS, then your physique would look 75%-90% worse than it does now.  So yeah, maybe it's not all drugs, but it's mostly drugs.

don't kid yourself.

[brent2741]

if you were a lifetime natural, and you were just as committed to your nutrition & training as you are now, but you did everything WITHOUT DRUGS, then your physique would look 75%-90% worse than it does now.  So yeah, maybe it's not all drugs, but it's mostly drugs.

don't kid yourself.

i disagree with you percentages but agree with your theory

[tom joad]

i disagree with you percentages but agree with your theory

the percentages of course would vary for each individual.  but if somebody's physique blows up on drugs (they're a hyper responder to the sauce) then it's safe to say that their juiced physique would blow their naturally-trained physique out of the water.

take Arvilla, for example, i wouldn't say that his physique is 75-90% better on the juice because he doesn't respond that well to drugs, and so there probably wouldn't be that great a discrepancy between Mike's juiced physique and what his naturally trained physique would be.

however, a pro physique practically by definition is one that responds extremely well to drugs (whether the amount taken is a little or a lot), and so logically there's a much greater discrepancy between his juiced physique and his natural one.



 

[Steve Namat]

the percentages of course would vary for each individual.  but if somebody's physique blows up on drugs (they're a hyper responder to the sauce) then it's safe to say that their juiced physique would blow their naturally-trained physique out of the water.



 

I partly agree with you. But anyway, you can be big and strong without drugs but you never will achieve a good contest shape with enough mass without drugs.

[willl]

allright, hip hip hooray, we've got ourselves a new 'pro' bber messiah of drugs

stevie namat, why do you feel obliged to pursue this route?
we know you need attention. we know that you are desperate.
i can see you wanna show off political correctness on the subject in order to be 'respected' by the ifbb hierarchy and thus be more 'accepted'. You want some ifbb shmoe to take you under his wing to be able to pursue ur 'american dream'. you wanna be noticed 'the good way'.

Nobody's gonna help you Steve. You are like a bum on the street trying to teach children the ways to succes while asking them a buck to get some liquor.

steve namat i dont have any respect for your behaviour on here


 

[brent2741]

allright, hip hip hooray, we've got ourselves a new 'pro' bber messiah of drugs

stevie namat, why do you feel obliged to pursue this route?
we know you need attention. we know that you are desperate.
i can see you wanna show off political correctness on the subject in order to be 'respected' by the ifbb hierarchy and thus be more 'accepted'. You want some ifbb shmoe to take you under his wing to be able to pursue ur 'american dream'. you wanna be noticed 'the good way'.

Nobody's gonna help you Steve. You are like a bum on the street trying to teach children the ways to succes while asking them some buck to get some liquor.

steve namat i dont have any respect for your behaviour on here


 

this is a bodybuilding website, i think he is just replying and giving advice like most civilized people on here which is more than i can say for you at the moment.

[willl]

and you're one of these naive children who think the bum is saying true just because he's a grownup and u cant think for yourself

no problem bro

[brent2741]

and you're one of these naive children who think the bum is saying true just because he's a grownup and u cant think for yourself

no problem bro

youre in the G and O board not the FACT board, these are all opinions and well opinions vary

[willl]

sure thing, but steve namat factually became a loser the minute he started asking for low end jobs on here

this is neither gossip nor opinion, unfortunately for him

i just dont see how these things get inside his head
so many illusions, so much naïvity, its amazing really

[brent2741]

sure thing, but steve namat factually became a loser the minute he started asking for low end jobs on here

this is neither gossip nor opinion, unfortunately for him

i just dont see how these things get inside his head
so many illusions, so much naïvity, its amazing really

well i dont know much about all that

[Steve Namat]

allright, hip hip hooray, we've got ourselves a new 'pro' bber messiah of drugs

stevie namat, why do you feel obliged to pursue this route?
we know you need attention. we know that you are desperate.
i can see you wanna show off political correctness on the subject in order to be 'respected' by the ifbb hierarchy and thus be more 'accepted'. You want some ifbb shmoe to take you under his wing to be able to pursue ur 'american dream'. you wanna be noticed 'the good way'.

Nobody's gonna help you Steve. You are like a bum on the street trying to teach children the ways to succes while asking them a buck to get some liquor.

steve namat i dont have any respect for your behaviour on here


 

Every topic has the idiots like you. This is a bodybuilding board but it needs an entertaining side too to be more popular. And you and your fellows just the clowns. That's all.

So do what you have to do. Stay at your role.

Thank you in advance!

[willl]

My friend, from your point of view, YOU would be the clown

just thought you should know this..

Nice try though, but I aint the one claiming to be a pro-nothing or trying to please getbig folks

I also am not brainless enough to beg for money on a public forum
Get it in right bro, You are the clown.
It doesnt matter what you say or what you think, you have failed big time and you know it.

For starters, I would suggest you learn to reflect about something before you open it. And i aint talking about g4p STEVE!
Allright carry on now

[Steve Namat]

My friend, from your point of view, YOU would be the clown

OK, but if our point of view is totally different and this is a bodybuilding forum and I'm a professional bodybuilder...then what are doing on this board...? 

[willl]

I repeat:

For starters, I would suggest you learn to reflect about something before you open it.

Steve please you're making a fool out of yourself

You need to put an end to this before the damage gets irreversible

I hate to say it, but are you really this dumb?

[Steve Namat]

I repeat:

Steve please you're making a fool out of yourself

You need to put an end to this before the damage gets irreversible

I hate to say it, but are you really this dumb?

You're acting your role really good.

Good job my friend! Keep up the good work!

[willl]

Well thank you my brother of muscle

Unfortunately im not into acting and this is not a play. This aint some American movie you grew up with.

This is about your future and you're letting yourself down without realising it

This is my last advice, quit focusing on trying to give me 'blabla' answers and Stand up for yourself!
It is not too late!

Remember this Steve, you be smart now and opportunities will come to you.

Go on now, i have taught u the basics. Be free

[Charlys69]

How much is too much ?  When you spent more money on drugs then you will earn as a BB-Pro....

[Switznegger]

How much is too much ?  When you spent more money on drugs then you will earn as a BB-Pro....

         Hi Steve.

[Fatpanda]

Well thank you my brother of muscle

Unfortunately im not into acting and this is not a play. This aint some American movie you grew up with.

This is about your future and you're letting yourself down without realising it

This is my last advice, quit focusing on trying to give me 'blabla' answers and Stand up for yourself!
It is not too late!

Remember this Steve, you be smart now and opportunities will come to you.

Go on now, i have taught u the basics. Be free

will i get the feeling you would be calling steve 'sir' in person.

epic jealousy of a muscular behemoth.

[tbombz]

take Arvilla, for example, i wouldn't say that his physique is 75-90% better on the juice because he doesn't respond that well to drugs, and so there probably wouldn't be that great a discrepancy between Mike's juiced physique and what his naturally trained physique would be.

however, a pro physique practically by definition is one that responds extremely well to drugs (whether the amount taken is a little or a lot), and so logically there's a much greater discrepancy between his juiced physique and his natural one.

maybe arvilla is poor and doesnt have the ability to use alot of aas and has never been able to afford gh and doesnt use slin.

maybe pros dont respond better they just use more train harder eat more and have ability and knowedge to use other stuff than jus AAS



no way to tell if a pro has got "good response" or just "lots of drugs".......just as theres no way to tell if a guy gots "bad response" or just "bunk drugs"



there are differences in how well hormones work in people, but not huge drastic differences that would make one man ronnie coleman and one man billy guns. with all thihngs equal, two guys with opposite response would still look comparible.

[jtsunami]

Arvilla is a total muscle stud, love to lay up with that muscle pancake anyday hmm mmm.  He responds well to AAS he is HUGE, have you seen pictures of him?  Maybe not, but don't say he isn't big.  Also I am sure Mike could afford GH if he wanted to, he just chooses not to, he doesn't want a GH gut, he has a very nice body now.

jt

[Switznegger]

jt Chick could be the man your looking for.

[D_1000]

Well thank you my brother of muscle

[Bobby]

no drugs no mr olympia! drugs=100%

the only difference between a great natural like Jrod and a 250lb top bber is drugs