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Jindal's Flop
« on: February 24, 2009, 08:18:42 PM »
In the republican response to President Obama's speech, governor Jindal was terrible. He sounded phony, and he looked scared and sickly. His message was pathetic.

Maybe the dude will be ready for prime time in about 16-20 years.  :-\
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Re: Jindal's Flop
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2009, 08:27:37 PM »
I respectfully disagree.  I was pretty impressed with Jindal's speech, especially considering that at age 37 he's the youngest Governor in the nation.  Honestly it was the first time I've listened to him speak on live TV.  I didn't think he looked scared at all, he came across very confidently and how can you say he looked "sickly?"  He's not going to win any bodybuilding contests but he's hardly sickly.

And how can you disagree with the basic gist of his message--we can't look to our government for all the answers and the fixes to all our problems, the answers lie within ourselves, within We The People.

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Re: Jindal's Flop
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2009, 08:57:38 PM »
I respectfully disagree.  I was pretty impressed with Jindal's speech, especially considering that at age 37 he's the youngest Governor in the nation.  Honestly it was the first time I've listened to him speak on live TV.  I didn't think he looked scared at all, he came across very confidently and how can you say he looked "sickly?"  He's not going to win any bodybuilding contests but he's hardly sickly.

And how can you disagree with the basic gist of his message--we can't look to our government for all the answers and the fixes to all our problems, the answers lie within ourselves, within We The People.

Well following benny's logic, since he is a republican anything he says is wrong.

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Re: Jindal's Flop
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2009, 09:17:12 PM »
I respectfully disagree.  I was pretty impressed with Jindal's speech, especially considering that at age 37 he's the youngest Governor in the nation.  Honestly it was the first time I've listened to him speak on live TV.  I didn't think he looked scared at all, he came across very confidently and how can you say he looked "sickly?"  He's not going to win any bodybuilding contests but he's hardly sickly.

And how can you disagree with the basic gist of his message--we can't look to our government for all the answers and the fixes to all our problems, the answers lie within ourselves, within We The People.
benny wasnt really listening in the first place...the left is so afraid of this guy the smearing campaign is started 4 years early.

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Re: Jindal's Flop
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2009, 09:42:58 PM »
Considering how biased you are would you have said anything good about anyone other Republican's response?

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Re: Jindal's Flop
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2009, 10:38:07 PM »
Bobby Jindal's Speech Panned By Pundits, Democrats, and Republicans Alike

Gov. Bobby Jindal's task tonight, to rebut President Obama's first address to a joint session of Congress, was a thankless one. But it still constituted an opportunity for the Louisiana Republican to show that he could handle the national spotlight, present himself as a fresh face of the Republican Party, and stand up to the current president oratorically.

On each of these three hurdles, he came up short. Both Democrats and Republicans alike panned Jindal's rebuttal in terms that were decidedly harsh: "amateurish," "laughable" and, most commonly, "a missed opportunity."

"After watching Jindal," one Democratic strategist emailed, "I'd pay a lot of money to be back watching a Palin speech."

"Awkward with capital A," emailed another.

The punditry was equally brutal. Part of the problem was the crux of Jindal's address, which consisted almost entirely of red meat for conservatives. The Governor offered criticism for anything other than tax cuts and ridiculed government spending for items that are either widely supported -- "$8 billion for high-speed rail" -- or seemingly essential -- "$140 million for something called 'volcano monitoring'" (isn't Louisiana Exhibit A in the need for natural disaster warning?).

"You know, I think Bobby Jindal is a very promising politician," said New York Times columnist David Brooks, appearing on PBS, "and I oppose the stimulus because I thought it was poorly drafted. But to come up at this moment in history with a stale "government is the problem," "we can't trust the federal government" -- it's just a disaster for the Republican Party. The country is in a panic right now. They may not like the way the Democrats have passed the stimulus bill, but that idea ... that government is going to have no role, the federal government has no role in this ... it's just a form of nihilism. It's just not where the country is, it's not where the future of the country is. There's an intra-Republican debate."

And yet, much of the critique of Jindal's address focused on his hokey, folksy, seemingly-forced tone and vernacular. The Governor, who has never held court on the national stage before -- remember, his speech at the Republican convention was called off after Hurricane Gustav made landfall -- showed a bit of wetness behind the ears. And the commentators let him have it, even on Fox News.

    BRIT HUME: "The speech read a lot better than it sounded. This was not Bobby Jindal's greatest oratorical moment."


    NINA EASTON: "The delivery was not exactly terrific."

    CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: "Jindal didn't have a chance. He follows Obama, who in making speeches, is in a league of his own. He's in a Reagan-esque league. ... [Jindal] tried the best he could."

    JUAN WILLIAMS: "It came off as amateurish, and even the tempo in which he spoke was sing-songy. He was telling stories that seemed very simplistic and almost childish.


All said, the speech was received with disappointment by conservatives who have looked to the Governor as the Republican Party's next star.
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Re: Jindal's Flop
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2009, 10:41:57 PM »
Did you listen to what he said?  I know obama puts you in a trance, but next time try listening to the CONTENT of a message.

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« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2009, 10:48:41 PM »
Did you listen to what he said?  I know obama puts you in a trance, but next time try listening to the CONTENT of a message.
No he didnt

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Re: Jindal's Flop
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2009, 10:54:47 PM »
Bobby Jindal's Speech Panned By Pundits, Democrats, and Republicans Alike

...blah blah blah...

All said, the speech was received with disappointment by conservatives who have looked to the Governor as the Republican Party's next star.

You neglected to cite your source--The Huffington Post:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/25/bobby-jindal-response-pan_n_169710.html

And as g.a.u. pointed out, they focused more on the delivery than the message itself.  BFD.  And the article quoted several Dems by name but only said his speech was "received by disappointment by conservatives" while failing to mention a single name of one such conservative.  WTF??!?  Are we just supposed to take their word for it or what?  What kind of journalism is that?  Apparently that's "Huffington Post Journalism."

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Re: Jindal's Flop
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2009, 10:57:05 PM »
You neglected to cite your source--The Huffington Post:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/25/bobby-jindal-response-pan_n_169710.html

And as g.a.u. pointed out, they focused more on the delivery than the message itself.  BFD.  And the article quoted several Dems by name but only said his speech was "received by disappointment by conservatives" while failing to mention a single name of one such conservative.  WTF??!?  We're just supposed to take their word for it or what?  What kind of journalism is that?  Apparently that's "Huffington Post Journalism."
:P

And the commentators let him have it, even on Fox News.

    BRIT HUME: "The speech read a lot better than it sounded. This was not Bobby Jindal's greatest oratorical moment."


    NINA EASTON: "The delivery was not exactly terrific."

    CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: "Jindal didn't have a chance. He follows Obama, who in making speeches, is in a league of his own. He's in a Reagan-esque league. ... [Jindal] tried the best he could."

    JUAN WILLIAMS: "It came off as amateurish, and even the tempo in which he spoke was sing-songy. He was telling stories that seemed very simplistic and almost childish.
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Re: Jindal's Flop
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2009, 11:02:13 PM »
:P

And the commentators let him have it, even on Fox News.

    BRIT HUME: "The speech read a lot better than it sounded. This was not Bobby Jindal's greatest oratorical moment."


    NINA EASTON: "The delivery was not exactly terrific."

    CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: "Jindal didn't have a chance. He follows Obama, who in making speeches, is in a league of his own. He's in a Reagan-esque league. ... [Jindal] tried the best he could."

    JUAN WILLIAMS: "It came off as amateurish, and even the tempo in which he spoke was sing-songy. He was telling stories that seemed very simplistic and almost childish.


Ahh, I see.  So some talking heads on Fox News critiquing Jindal's oratory style were the best The Huffington Post could come up with in terms of "conservatives" for their ridiculously slanted article.  The people cited are "journalists" who are ostensibly supposed to be more or less unbiased anyway, are they not?  In any case, none of those knuckleheads (whose "conservatism" is debatable at best) made the slightest mention of the content of Jindal's message, only of his speaking style.  Again, I say, BFD.  And even though it wasn't his best speech ever, it wasn't bad anyway.  He's 37, he's very young in the political arena, and he's got nowhere to go but up.

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Re: Jindal's Flop
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2009, 11:13:50 PM »
Ahh, I see.  So some talking heads on Fox News critiquing Jindal's oratory style were the best The Huffington Post could come up with in terms of "conservatives" for their ridiculously slanted article.  The people cited are "journalists" who are ostensibly supposed to be more or less unbiased anyway, are they not?  In any case, none of those knuckleheads (whose "conservatism" is debatable at best) made the slightest mention of the content of Jindal's message, only of his speaking style.  Again, I say, BFD.  And even though it wasn't his best speech ever, it wasn't bad anyway.  He's 37, he's very young in the political arena, and he's got nowhere to go but up.
Simply put...Jindal was terrible.

Palin/Jindal in '12!  ;D
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Re: Jindal's Flop
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2009, 11:16:38 PM »
jindal will own obama in any debate...uh uh uhhhehehuhuh

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Re: Jindal's Flop
« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2009, 11:45:53 PM »
He sounded like he was reading, "See Spot Run". 

Awful.

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Re: Jindal's Flop
« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2009, 01:14:10 AM »
And how can you disagree with the basic gist of his message
The problem wasn't in the message - it was in the delivery.
Jindal just didn't stand out - didn't give his message a fair chance.
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Re: Jindal's Flop
« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2009, 04:13:59 AM »
In the republican response to President Obama's speech, governor Jindal was terrible. He sounded phony, and he looked scared and sickly. His message was pathetic.

Maybe the dude will be ready for prime time in about 16-20 years.  :-\

Look, Jindal comes across as a nerd to me, but that is not a bad thing.

However, the lies and outright deciet in your messiah's speech was appalling.

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« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2009, 04:28:28 AM »
Look, Jindal comes across as a nerd to me, but that is not a bad thing.

However, the lies and outright deciet in your messiah's speech was appalling.
What does Obama have to do with Jindal's speech? ???
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Re: Jindal's Flop
« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2009, 04:34:41 AM »
What does Obama have to do with Jindal's speech? ???

Peter Schiff on Obama's speech:

hannel

Says Obama will destroy this country.

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Re: Jindal's Flop
« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2009, 06:20:29 AM »
Peter Schiff on Obama's speech:

hannel

Says Obama will destroy this country.
This thread was about Jindal, yet you somehow makes it into an Obama thread?
What's up with that bro?

Anyways, I think Jindal wasted a big opportunity to make a lasting impression.
The GOP may decide to go with someone else instead.
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Re: Jindal's Flop
« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2009, 06:27:29 AM »
This thread was about Jindal, yet you somehow makes it into an Obama thread?
What's up with that bro?

Anyways, I think Jindal wasted a big opportunity to make a lasting impression.
The GOP may decide to go with someone else instead.

Absolutely.  We need someone with fire and balls and not afraid to call out the lies of Obama/Pelosi.

Jindal missed a huge opportunity to call out Obama/Pelosi on their flood of lies and deceit.

We need a warrior, not a poet.   


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Re: Jindal's Flop
« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2009, 07:30:08 AM »
The message was fine.  It was optimistic, recognized faults of republicans in the past administration, and talked about limited government and faith in the people without excessive gov control and interference.
His delivery was fair unfortunately.  I have seen him much better on live interviews.

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Re: Jindal's Flop
« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2009, 07:39:31 AM »
It was a typical cookie cutter, cut along the lines, speech.

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Re: Jindal's Flop
« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2009, 07:41:43 AM »
It was a typical cookie cutter, cut along the lines, speech.

I was dissapointed with Jindals speech myself.

More of the same.

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Re: Jindal's Flop
« Reply #23 on: February 25, 2009, 07:50:44 AM »
I was dissapointed with Jindals speech myself.

More of the same.

OK, I do agree--it was a huge missed opportunity.  Jindal essentially had the attention of the entire American public last night and he could have done a lot more to capitalize on the opportunity.  It was too watered-down (or maybe dumbed-down?).

I didn't think his speech was "bad" per se like some people made it out to be.  But it wasn't what was needed right now.

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Re: Jindal's Flop
« Reply #24 on: February 25, 2009, 07:53:29 AM »
OK, I do agree--it was a huge missed opportunity.  Jindal essentially had the attention of the entire American public last night and he could have done a lot more to capitalize on the opportunity.  It was too watered-down (or maybe dumbed-down?).

I didn't think his speech was "bad" per se like some people made it out to be.  But it wasn't what was needed right now.

It was bad because it was a wasted opportunity. 

If he presented a slide show presentation or graphics like Perot did as far as the debt, spending, etc, he would have everyone talking about it. 

By giving a cookie cutter political bs speech, he just wasted time and hurt his own image.