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Obama proposes a TRILLION DOLLARS in new taxes! - ABC NEWS
« on: February 26, 2009, 11:31:14 AM »
Obama's Budget: Almost $1 Trillion in New Taxes Over Next 10 yrs, Starting 2011
February 26, 2009 12:00 PM

President Obama's budget proposes $989 billion in new taxes over the course of the next 10 years, starting fiscal year 2011, most of which are tax increases on individuals.

1) On people making more than $250,000.

$338 billion - Bush tax cuts expire
$179 billlion - eliminate itemized deduction
$118 billion - capital gains tax hike

Total: $636 billion/10 years

2) Businesses:

$17 billion - Reinstate Superfund taxes
$24 billion - tax carried-interest as income
$5 billion - codify "economic substance doctrine"
$61 billion - repeal LIFO
$210 billion - international enforcement, reform deferral, other tax reform
$4 billion - information reporting for rental payments
$5.3 billion - excise tax on Gulf of Mexico oil and gas
$3.4 billion - repeal expensing of tangible drilling costs
$62 million - repeal deduction for tertiary injectants
$49 million - repeal passive loss exception for working interests in oil and natural gas properties
$13 billion - repeal manufacturing tax deduction for oil and natural gas companies
$1 billion - increase to 7 years geological and geophysical amortization period for independent producers
$882 million - eliminate advanced earned income tax credit

Total: $353 billion/10 years

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Re: Obama proposes a TRILLION DOLLARS in new taxes! - ABC NEWS
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2009, 11:34:46 AM »
Awesome!  You should get a second job so you can pay your fair share and be patriotic!

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Re: Obama proposes a TRILLION DOLLARS in new taxes! - ABC NEWS
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2009, 11:38:31 AM »
we gotta start paying back the cost of all that money that Bush borrowed.

too bad we can't just send the bill to Bush directly

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Re: Obama proposes a TRILLION DOLLARS in new taxes! - ABC NEWS
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2009, 11:38:54 AM »
Awesome!  You should get a second job so you can pay your fair share and be patriotic!

NOT SO, I AND MANY OTHERS WILL PARE DOWN MY OPERATIONS SO THAT WE ARE ALWAYS UNDER THE CAP.

Screw Obama.  I will do my part, whatever legally it will take, to make sure he is a failure.

He wants to wage war on businesses, fine.  The layoffs that have occurred will look like nothing compared to what is coming.

Obama is a complete disaster and WTC.    

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Re: Obama proposes a TRILLION DOLLARS in new taxes! - ABC NEWS
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2009, 11:40:28 AM »
we gotta start paying back the cost of all that money that Bush borrowed.

too bad we can't just send the bill to Bush directly

Obama makes Bush look like scrooge. 

Please you liberals are hypocrites of the worse sense.

I admit Bush was a disaster for his spending.  You liberals blame Bush for spending like drunk sailor, yet applaud ZERO for this insanity.

The man must be abusing cocaine again. 

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Re: Obama proposes a TRILLION DOLLARS in new taxes! - ABC NEWS
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2009, 11:49:19 AM »
Obama's Budget: Almost $1 Trillion in New Taxes Over Next 10 yrs, Starting 2011
February 26, 2009 12:00 PM

President Obama's budget proposes $989 billion in new taxes over the course of the next 10 years, starting fiscal year 2011, most of which are tax increases on individuals.

1) On people making more than $250,000.

$338 billion - Bush tax cuts expire
$179 billlion - eliminate itemized deduction
$118 billion - capital gains tax hike

Total: $636 billion/10 years

2) Businesses:

$17 billion - Reinstate Superfund taxes
$24 billion - tax carried-interest as income
$5 billion - codify "economic substance doctrine"
$61 billion - repeal LIFO
$210 billion - international enforcement, reform deferral, other tax reform
$4 billion - information reporting for rental payments
$5.3 billion - excise tax on Gulf of Mexico oil and gas
$3.4 billion - repeal expensing of tangible drilling costs
$62 million - repeal deduction for tertiary injectants
$49 million - repeal passive loss exception for working interests in oil and natural gas properties
$13 billion - repeal manufacturing tax deduction for oil and natural gas companies
$1 billion - increase to 7 years geological and geophysical amortization period for independent producers
$882 million - eliminate advanced earned income tax credit

Total: $353 billion/10 years

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Re: Obama proposes a TRILLION DOLLARS in new taxes! - ABC NEWS
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2009, 11:51:34 AM »
First, you are in the very beginning of a nightmare, not a bad dream.

Second, go check out the comments on ABC News I posted.  Even Obama voters are pissed off. 


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Re: Obama proposes a TRILLION DOLLARS in new taxes! - ABC NEWS
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2009, 11:54:24 AM »
NEWSFLASH - Bush spent all our money in another country where we don't have shit to show for it?  How's those Iraqi time share units coming along?  Obama believes in keeping the bulk of spending inside this country and being spent on our own country.  Not some little shithole across the Atlantic.

But then again, simple facts are hard to grasp by the silly naysayers.

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Re: Obama proposes a TRILLION DOLLARS in new taxes! - ABC NEWS
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2009, 11:55:52 AM »
NEWSFLASH - Bush spent all our money in another country where we don't have shit to show for it?  How's those Iraqi time share units coming along?  Obama believes in keeping the bulk of spending inside this country and being spent on our own country.  Not some little shithole across the Atlantic.

But then again, simple facts are hard to grasp by the silly naysayers.

The denial phase has started.

BTW - how is that Billion for Gaza and 5 billion for Pakistan doing???


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Re: Obama proposes a TRILLION DOLLARS in new taxes! - ABC NEWS
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2009, 11:56:46 AM »
A lot better than the billions for Haliburton did when they went missing.

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Re: Obama proposes a TRILLION DOLLARS in new taxes! - ABC NEWS
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2009, 12:00:45 PM »
The denial phase has started.

BTW - how is that Billion for Gaza and 5 billion for Pakistan doing???


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By denial I assume you mean the mountain of debt that Bush left us with nothing to show for it.

I assume that's the generational theft that the Repubs are talking about

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Re: Obama proposes a TRILLION DOLLARS in new taxes! - ABC NEWS
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2009, 12:02:35 PM »
bloomberg art.

Obama Seeks $1 Trillion Tax Increase in Budget Plan (Update2)
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By Ryan J. Donmoyer

Feb. 26 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama proposed almost $1 trillion in higher taxes on the 2.6 million highest- earning Americans, Wall Street financiers, U.S.-based multinational corporations, and oil companies to pay for permanent tax breaks for lower earners.

Obama’s 2010 budget proposal, released today, would reinstate the top two Clinton-era tax rates of 36 percent and 39.6 percent in 2011, up from the 33 percent and 35 percent the richest Americans now pay. It would raise taxes on capital gains and dividends to 20 percent for top earners, up from the 15 percent set by former President George W. Bush in 2003.

The tax increases, which Obama vowed to impose as a presidential candidate, would be the first on high-income earners since 1993 and would reverse a course set by Bush of lowering the tax burden on the nation’s wealthiest people.

“It’s a clear repudiation of Bush’s policy,” said Peter Morici, an economist at the University of Maryland in College Park. “It’s more Obama Robin Hood.”

Obama’s budget does keep in place Bush’s tax cuts that benefit lower- and middle-income earners and it preserves a sliver of policy that benefits the more affluent: A preferential tax rate on corporate dividends. Before Bush, dividends were taxed as ordinary income, or at rates as high as 39.6 percent in the 1990s.

‘Hugely Positive’

“It is a hugely positive step to keep that part of the ‘03 changes,” said Pamela Olson, who was the top tax official in Bush’s Treasury Department when the tax rate on dividends was reduced. “It’s good economic policy, good corporate governance policy, and good tax policy.”

Obama is also proposing to stop the estate tax from being repealed as scheduled next year and to impose a 45 percent tax rate on a married couple’s estate valued at more than $7 million.

Higher-income earners, primarily families with more than $250,000 of income, would face an additional tax burden under a proposal to reinstate limitations on their itemized deductions, which would subject more of their income to tax. In all, top- earning households would pay $636.7 billion in additional taxes over the next decade, Obama’s budget estimates.

Linda Beale, a tax-law professor at Wayne State University Law School in Detroit, said “many will object to reinstituting phase-outs for itemized deductions because of the complications that creates.”

Representative Mike Pence of Indiana, the No. 3 Republican leader in the House, said Obama can expect a wall of opposition to his proposed tax increase on top-earners. Roughly half of Americans earning $250,000 are small-business owners, and the proposed increase will stifle the troubled economy, he said.

‘Overwhelming Opposition’

“There will be overwhelming opposition from the American people and House Republicans to the idea that we should raise taxes during a recession,” Pence said in an interview. “Raising taxes in a recession is not a strategy for recovery.”

Representative Jeb Hensarling, a Texas Republican, said in an e-mail, “You cannot help the job-seeker by punishing the job creator.”

The higher taxes on individuals will largely be used to pay for expanded health coverage for lower-income Americans and to make permanent Obama’s tax breaks such as a payroll tax credit worth up to $800 that was adopted on a temporary basis in the $787 billion fiscal stimulus measure earlier this month.

“He’s being so generous at the lower-income level that making $200,000 is going to be like falling off a cliff,” said Dustin Stamper, an analyst in the National Tax Office at Grant Thornton LLP. “Say what you want about the Bush tax cuts favoring the rich, but this is just becoming punitive.”

AMT Lives On

Obama’s budget also assumes Congress will continue to index the alternative minimum tax for inflation. The AMT is a parallel system that can impose higher rates on families earning between $75,000 and $500,000 when their deductions are too high relative to their income.

Executives at private-equity firms, venture-capital firms, some hedge funds and other partnerships that receive a 20 percent “carried interest” in the firm’s profits would see their tax burdens nearly triple under Obama’s budget.

Most of their carried interest currently is taxed at the 15 percent rate for long-term capital gains. Obama is asking Congress to tax the profit share as ordinary income, arguing that it’s a form of wages; under his plan, most executives would pay 39.6 percent.

That proposal will likely reignite a debate that was waged by Congress in 2007 when the House of Representatives approved the change and the Senate never considered it.

Corporate Tax Increase

Obama proposed $353.5 billion in higher taxes on corporations over the next decade, the bulk of which would come from “reforming” rules that allow U.S.-based multinational corporations such as General Electric Co. to defer U.S. tax on profits they earn overseas. GE has about $75 billion offshore on which it has never paid U.S. taxes, according to its regulatory filings.

Obama’s budget estimates such reforms and beefing up Internal Revenue Service enforcement of international tax rules would generate $210 billion in additional revenue over the next decade. He also proposed to limit tax shelters by requiring they serve a business purpose by redefining the tax code’s “economic substance doctrine.”

‘Last-In, First Out’

He also proposed ending a tax-accounting technique called “last-in, first out” or LIFO, that primarily benefited oil and gas companies when oil topped $100 a barrel but is widely used across industries.

Republican senators in April 2006 floated such a tax increase but backed off after Exxon Mobil Corp. Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Rex Tillerson called the proposal a “backdoor windfall-profits tax.”

In addition to oil companies, the repeal of LIFO would hit retailers, automakers and makers of non-automotive heavy equipment, textile makers, consumer products, drug companies, alcohol and tobacco manufacturers and wholesalers when times are good, according to tax experts.

The accounting method has been commonly used since the 1930s and is viewed as the most accurate measure of income for financial statement purposes, according to the congressional Joint Committee on Taxation, a nonpartisan panel.

To contact the reporter on this story: Ryan Donmoyer in Washington at rdonmoyer@bloomberg.net;

Last Updated: February 26, 2009 14:12 EST
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Re: Obama proposes a TRILLION DOLLARS in new taxes! - ABC NEWS
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2009, 12:02:48 PM »
By denial I assume you mean the mountain of debt that Bush left us with nothing to show for it.

I assume that's the generational theft that the Repubs are talking about

I dont defend GWB and you should stop being so dishonest about it.  

However, two wrongs dont make a right and it is hypocritical for you or any other liberal to go along with this chaos while decrying GWB's spending.

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« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2009, 12:05:08 PM »


Obama is a complete disaster and WTC.    

3333, what is WTC?
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Re: Obama proposes a TRILLION DOLLARS in new taxes! - ABC NEWS
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2009, 12:07:33 PM »
I dont defend GWB and you should stop being so dishonest about it.  

However, two wrongs dont make a right and it is hypocritical for you or any other liberal to go along with this chaos while decrying GWB's spending.

We have a huge pile of DEBT and an economy on the brink if a Depression.

Let's hear some of your ideas (besides do nothing and tax cuts for the wealthy)

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« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2009, 12:09:14 PM »
3333, what is WTC?


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Re: Obama proposes a TRILLION DOLLARS in new taxes! - ABC NEWS
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2009, 12:47:34 PM »
3333, what is WTC?

Whines Tantrums and Complaints

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« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2009, 12:54:03 PM »
Whines Tantrums and Complaints

Ha ha. 

2010 is going to be like 1994 redux the way Obama/Pelosi is going.

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Re: Obama proposes a TRILLION DOLLARS in new taxes! - ABC NEWS
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2009, 12:59:57 PM »
We have a huge pile of DEBT and an economy on the brink if a Depression.

Let's hear some of your ideas (besides do nothing and tax cuts for the wealthy)

Raise taxes on those who use the resulting handouts?

Cut social programs to something reasonable?

End foreign aid for regions that give nothing back?

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« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2009, 01:02:12 PM »
Raise taxes on those who use the resulting handouts?

Cut social programs to something reasonable?

End foreign aid for regions that give nothing back?
any suggestions re: Gov't funding/support of the Arts?
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Re: Obama proposes a TRILLION DOLLARS in new taxes! - ABC NEWS
« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2009, 01:09:47 PM »
Bush borrowed and spent.  He was wrong.  Bush squandered our money in Iraq.

Obama is borrowing and spending 3 times as much as Bush.  He is wrong.  Obama is preferentially helping poor people and still squandering $ outside this country with new spending in Afghanastan.

This is very clear to me.  You cannot criticize Bush's deficit spending without being more outraged at Obama. 

And all individuals making 200K or more will see tax hikes, different than his campaign promise of 250K.
Families making 250K or more will see tax hikes.
Business making 250K or more will see tax hikes.
All individuals that have any investments in companies or the stock market will see tax hikes under the increased capital gains tax.
Much of this money will go to the poor and low middle class.  This is clearly redistribution and double talk.

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Re: Obama proposes a TRILLION DOLLARS in new taxes! - ABC NEWS
« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2009, 01:13:36 PM »
I'm glad he is closing some tax loopholes, thats necessary but we do not need to raise taxes on anyone.  We already have a progressive taxation system.  Just make sure companies and individuals play by the rules, which many don't.

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« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2009, 01:14:38 PM »
I'm glad he is closing some tax loopholes, thats necessary but we do not need to raise taxes on anyone.  We already have a progressive taxation system.  Just make sure companies and individuals play by the rules, which many don't.

The hypocrisy is incredible. 

GWB was wrong, but this is just indefensible.   

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« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2009, 01:15:25 PM »
Bush borrowed and spent.  He was wrong.

Obama is borrowing and spending 3 times as much as Bush.  He is wrong.

This is very clear to me.  You cannot criticize Bush's deficit spending without being more outraged at Obama. 

And all individuals making 200K or more will see tax hikes, different than his campaign promise of 250K.
Families making 250K or more will see tax hikes.
Business making 250K or more will see tax hikes.
Much of this money will go to the poor and low middle class.  This is clearly redistribution.

I know at least a few families with household income of > than 250k a year that are now down to ~ 100k.

They would all rather have their former income and pay a marginally higher tax rate.

Bush borrowed for a two wars which he recklessly executed and for which we have nothing to show for it.  He also allowed massive graft and corruption in the spending of those $$$'s

Obama would rather not have to spend $$$'s (as he's said) but the govt is the only entity right now that can stimulate the economy (at least that is the plan) and the money will be spent in part of things which we will use for years to come.  He's also promised an unprecendented amount of transparency and zero tolerance on graft and corruption.

Time will tell if Obama's spending with be worthwhile.

We already know the answer on Bush

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Re: Obama proposes a TRILLION DOLLARS in new taxes! - ABC NEWS
« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2009, 01:16:58 PM »
The hypocrisy is incredible. 

GWB was wrong, but this is just indefensible.   

You wouldn't think so if you were an inner city resident who needs new spinners and some pepsi for the kids, but can't afford them because nobody will hire them for the $20/hr they are really worth....