Have other Presidents had this type of confidence?

[a_joker10]

Get us into a world war?

Make a depression worse?

Ever heard of the great game.
http://www.geist.com/essays/great-game

By the way how is the economy doing
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Economy-shrinks-at-worst-pace-apf-14491202.html

[shootfighter1]

How can any of you defend Obama's reckless overspending on multiple expansive projects during a recession?  Many educated people have raised serious doubts on the near 4 trillion dollar budget in addition to all these bailouts and stimulus spending.  This is our money and this administration is way out of line with its spending.  Obama's spending is far more than Bush's waste in Iraq.  Obama is setting us up for greater national deficit for years to come.  He's also setting the stage for higher general taxation so they can take larger shares of our money and use it for their programs.  Right now its higher taxes on families making 250K+ but be certain that there will be more general taxation...there must be with all this spending, or else we will have devaluation of the dollar and inflation.

Talk about confidence, this is arrogance IMO and very presumptuous that everyone agrees with a big gov more socialistic style America.  40% of this country did not vote for this type of spending and I'll bet a lot of independents, moderates and blue dog democrats are questioning themselves now too.  They should be.  While many people loved Obama, his style, his optimism, his presidential aura...many did not understand to what degree he was going to change the country and at what cost.  I was hoping for a centrist...not here.

[Soul Crusher]

Ever heard of the great game.
http://www.geist.com/essays/great-game

By the way how is the economy doing
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Economy-shrinks-at-worst-pace-apf-14491202.html

The economy is going to get much worse under Obama, and he is going to make it even worse with his tax schemes.

[a_joker10]

How can any of you defend Obama's reckless overspending on multiple expansive projects during a recession?  Many educated people have raised serious doubts on the near 4 trillion dollar budget in addition to all these bailouts and stimulus spending.  This is our money and this administration is way out of line with its spending.  Obama's spending is far more than Bush's waste in Iraq.  Obama is setting us up for greater national deficit for years to come.  He's also setting the stage for higher general taxation so they can take larger shares of our money and use it for their programs.  Right now its higher taxes on families making 250K+ but be certain that there will be more general taxation...there must be with all this spending, or else we will have devaluation of the dollar and inflation.

Talk about confidence, this is arrogance IMO and very presumptuous that everyone agrees with a big gov more socialistic style America.  40% of this country did not vote for this type of spending and I'll bet a lot of independents, moderates and blue dog democrats are questioning themselves now too.  They should be.

Its the natural cycle of politics. There is another election in 2 years and most likely the blue dog democrats will get wiped out and the democrats will lose control of the congress again.

This is no different then what Bush or Clinton did when they had majorities in the house and senate.
Just be grateful that the senate isn't filibuster proof.

Democrats only want blue dog democrats when they are behind and republican only want RINO's when they are behind. Otherwise these groups tend to get ignored or vilified.

[a_joker10]

The economy is going to get much worse under Obama, and he is going to make it even worse with his tax schemes.

I don't agree with that.
It will be different.
America is resilient and there are always companies that will exploit any changes made in spending or tax laws.


All of this massive negativism doesn't help. Plus now you sound like War-horse did under GWB.

[shootfighter1]

Yes joker, I agree with you about the cyclic nature of elections.  Because Obama has firmly planted socialist type economic policies and an amazing amount of gov spending, I'm sure we'll see some objection through the 2010 congressional elections.  That is, if the people generally understand what is going on, and if republicans can get back to conservative roots.

The difference is that Obama is spending so much more of our money with very ambitious changes to many programs.  Embarking on nationalized healthcare is a huge issue that no one has taxed the people for previously but this will happen even before they discuss details or how this can happen.  It could be nationalized healthcare for all (which will cost a hell of a lot more), or expand some kind of medicaid program for the poor and lower class only, which is completely unfair.

[shootfighter1]

WASHINGTON (CNN) – Another prominent Republican told the Conservative Political Action Conference on Friday that the president’s spending plans are pushing the country to the brink of socialism.

Sen. Jim DeMint of South Carolina, the only member of the senate to earn a perfect rating from the American Conservative Union, called President Obama “the world’s best salesman of socialism” on Friday in describing his prime time speech earlier this week.

DeMint, a fierce opponent of government expansion, told the CPAC crowd that conservatives might have to “take to the streets to stop America’s slide into socialism.”

His remarks comes a day after Mike Huckabee told the conference of conservative activists that “the Union of American Socialist Republics is being born” with the president’s stimulus package.

“Lenin and Stalin would love this stuff,” Huckabee said of the government bailing out financial institutions

[Soul Crusher]

I don't agree with that.
It will be different.
America is resilient and there are always companies that will exploit any changes made in spending or tax laws.


All of this massive negativism doesn't help. Plus now you sound like War-horse did under GWB.

The problem is that this isnt 1930 anymore.  Companies can pack up and move overnight very easily.  They will do en mass the way they are being targeted right now for these crazy taxes. 

[LurkerNoMore]

The problem is that this isnt 1930 anymore.  Companies can pack up and move overnight very easily.  They will do en mass the way they are being targeted right now for these crazy taxes. 

Let them.

Maybe they can take all the whiners and naysayers with them as well.

[Soul Crusher]

Let them.

Maybe they can take all the whiners and naysayers with them as well.

Ok jackass, and where do you think people are going to go for employment??

You are the typical liberal dreamer. 

If you punish businesses, they will not hire people, only lay them off. 

is that what you want?

Or, do you think businesses are set up to be employment agencies?

[a_joker10]

Yes joker, I agree with you about the cyclic nature of elections.  Because Obama has firmly planted socialist type economic policies and an amazing amount of gov spending, I'm sure we'll see some objection through the 2010 congressional elections.  That is, if the people generally understand what is going on, and if republicans can get back to conservative roots.

The difference is that Obama is spending so much more of our money with very ambitious changes to many programs.  Embarking on nationalized healthcare is a huge issue that no one has taxed the people for previously but this will happen even before they discuss details or how this can happen.  It could be nationalized healthcare for all (which will cost a hell of a lot more), or expand some kind of medicaide program for the poor and lower class only, which is completely unfair.

Actually Americans spend about 46% of their tax money on health care.
http://dsp-psd.pwgsc.gc.ca/Collection-R/LoPBdP/EB-e/prb0461-e.pdf

http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/46/33/38979719.pdf
We spend less tax revenue on our health system then America and we have universal health care.

In my opinion a 2 tier system would work fine in America.
Right now not having Universal health care is making America uncompetitive to some other Western nations.
http://www.cfr.org/publication/13325/

[MB]

This is not a bold statement at all.  He can borrow and spend at an alarming rate for 3 years.  Then, in the last year of his first term he can run half the yearly deficit that Bush did in his last year.  Big deal, IT'S STILL A DEFICIT!  What about balancing the budget every year for 4 years?   

[Hereford]

Ok jackass, and where do you think people are going to go for employment??

You are the typical liberal dreamer. 

If you punish businesses, they will not hire people, only lay them off. 

is that what you want?

Or, do you think businesses are set up to be employment agencies?

The dems NEED more job losses. More layoffs = more unemployment checks = more democrap dependents = more dem votes.

[War-Horse]

War-Horse, do you feel that Obama's plans for spreading the wealth is causing some division between the American people?

How did republican tax cuts destroy america? 

Do you agree w/tony that there are multiple reasons we are in this terrible economic situation?

Yes, some people making 250k to 3 billion a year are not happy.  They will have to scrape by on such meager earnings.   Big decisions have to be made and this will cause some resentments for some.

Tax cuts to the wealthy on capital gains and income was supposed to stimulate the economy, but when it didnt...the banks were de regulated further, to start pushing for home ownership to anyone who could fog a mirror...This was great for a time as people were money poor and house rich.
Of course we see how well this worked....

Yes tony is right their are multiple reasons why this all happened, but i see alot of hard truths we need to face if we are to survive the future......some are going to bitch the whole way thru and some are going to hold fast in smart decisions.

[Straw Man]

Ok jackass, and where do you think people are going to go for employment??

You are the typical liberal dreamer. 

If you punish businesses, they will not hire people, only lay them off. 

is that what you want?

Or, do you think businesses are set up to be employment agencies?

ok jackass, what country creates the environment that allows business to prosper?