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Climate of Change
« on: February 27, 2009, 01:54:59 AM »
February 27, 2009
Op-Ed Columnist
Climate of Change
By PAUL KRUGMAN

Elections have consequences. President Obama’s new budget represents a huge break, not just with the policies of the past eight years, but with policy trends over the past 30 years. If he can get anything like the plan he announced on Thursday through Congress, he will set America on a fundamentally new course.

The budget will, among other things, come as a huge relief to Democrats who were starting to feel a bit of postpartisan depression. The stimulus bill that Congress passed may have been too weak and too focused on tax cuts. The administration’s refusal to get tough on the banks may be deeply disappointing. But fears that Mr. Obama would sacrifice progressive priorities in his budget plans, and satisfy himself with fiddling around the edges of the tax system, have now been banished.

For this budget allocates $634 billion over the next decade for health reform. That’s not enough to pay for universal coverage, but it’s an impressive start. And Mr. Obama plans to pay for health reform, not just with higher taxes on the affluent, but by putting a halt to the creeping privatization of Medicare, eliminating overpayments to insurance companies.

On another front, it’s also heartening to see that the budget projects $645 billion in revenues from the sale of emission allowances. After years of denial and delay by its predecessor, the Obama administration is signaling that it’s ready to take on climate change.

And these new priorities are laid out in a document whose clarity and plausibility seem almost incredible to those of us who grew accustomed to reading Bush-era budgets, which insulted our intelligence on every page. This is budgeting we can believe in.

Many will ask whether Mr. Obama can actually pull off the deficit reduction he promises. Can he actually reduce the red ink from $1.75 trillion this year to less than a third as much in 2013? Yes, he can.

Right now the deficit is huge thanks to temporary factors (at least we hope they’re temporary): a severe economic slump is depressing revenues and large sums have to be allocated both to fiscal stimulus and to financial rescues.

But if and when the crisis passes, the budget picture should improve dramatically. Bear in mind that from 2005 to 2007, that is, in the three years before the crisis, the federal deficit averaged only $243 billion a year. Now, during those years, revenues were inflated, to some degree, by the housing bubble. But it’s also true that we were spending more than $100 billion a year in Iraq.

So if Mr. Obama gets us out of Iraq (without bogging us down in an equally expensive Afghan quagmire) and manages to engineer a solid economic recovery — two big ifs, to be sure — getting the deficit down to around $500 billion by 2013 shouldn’t be at all difficult.

But won’t the deficit be swollen by interest on the debt run-up over the next few years? Not as much as you might think. Interest rates on long-term government debt are less than 4 percent, so even a trillion dollars of additional debt adds less than $40 billion a year to future deficits. And those interest costs are fully reflected in the budget documents.

So we have good priorities and plausible projections. What’s not to like about this budget? Basically, the long run outlook remains worrying.

According to the Obama administration’s budget projections, the ratio of federal debt to G.D.P., a widely used measure of the government’s financial position, will soar over the next few years, then more or less stabilize. But this stability will be achieved at a debt-to-G.D.P. ratio of around 60 percent. That wouldn’t be an extremely high debt level by international standards, but it would be the deepest in debt America has been since the years immediately following World War II. And it would leave us with considerably reduced room for maneuver if another crisis comes along.

Furthermore, the Obama budget only tells us about the next 10 years. That’s an improvement on Bush-era budgets, which looked only 5 years ahead. But America’s really big fiscal problems lurk over that budget horizon: sooner or later we’re going to have to come to grips with the forces driving up long-run spending — above all, the ever-rising cost of health care.

And even if fundamental health care reform brings costs under control, I at least find it hard to see how the federal government can meet its long-term obligations without some tax increases on the middle class. Whatever politicians may say now, there’s probably a value-added tax in our future.

But I don’t blame Mr. Obama for leaving some big questions unanswered in this budget. There’s only so much long-run thinking the political system can handle in the midst of a severe crisis; he has probably taken on all he can, for now. And this budget looks very, very good.
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Re: Climate of Change
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2009, 05:01:56 AM »
Serious , ask for a refund.  You are a complete moron. 

How can taxing people more and giving them higher energy bills help anyone but the politicians and govt?

You are nothing more than a male lewinsky. 

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Re: Climate of Change
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2009, 06:24:21 AM »
How can taxing people more and giving them higher energy bills help anyone but the politicians and govt? 
The budget has to be balanced.

In other words, you have to pay for the goodies.
If you want to go to war in Iraq, there's a bill to pay.

Very few things in life are free.

You rather want a president who keeps running a deficit?   
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Re: Climate of Change
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2009, 06:37:25 AM »
The budget has to be balanced.

In other words, you have to pay for the goodies.
If you want to go to war in Iraq, there's a bill to pay.

Very few things in life are free.

You rather want a president who keeps running a deficit?   

No, I want a president who has a clue and knows that cutting spending on waste fraud and abuse and non-productive programs needs to be a priority.

I want a president who has actually worked a day in his life and has balanced even a checkbook once in his life.

Obama is a disaster.  He tripled the deficit and then claims to want to half that????

WTF nonsense is that? 

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Re: Climate of Change
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2009, 09:06:52 AM »
No, I want a president who has a clue and knows that cutting spending on waste fraud and abuse and non-productive programs needs to be a priority.

I want a president who has actually worked a day in his life and has balanced even a checkbook once in his life.

Obama is a disaster.  He tripled the deficit and then claims to want to half that????

WTF nonsense is that? 
You, dogshit and a few others on this board will never make it through the next four years, let alone Obama's second term. You will either die of a stroke or kill yourself.  :-\

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Re: Climate of Change
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2009, 11:15:39 AM »
The budget has to be balanced.

In other words, you have to pay for the goodies.
If you want to go to war in Iraq, there's a bill to pay.

Very few things in life are free.

You rather want a president who keeps running a deficit?   

There isnt ONE economist who thinks these numbers add up.The WALL STREET JOURNAL had an article yesterday which spelled it out.HE CANT BALANCE THE BUDGET with this plan.Its a farce.

THERE IS NO TAX CUT!!!!!You will be getting 13 bucks a week,that you will have to pay taxes on at the end of the year.THE TAX RATES DIDNT CHANGE!!!!

Everything this man says is a lie.

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Re: Climate of Change
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2009, 11:42:38 AM »
You, dogshit and a few others on this board will never make it through the next four years, let alone Obama's second term. You will either die of a stroke or kill yourself.  :-\

You heard it here first!


What happens when the Cons win in 2010...and Obama losses in 2012....liberal douchbagery.....Carter with a tan.....
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Re: Climate of Change
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2009, 11:45:46 AM »
There isnt ONE economist who thinks these numbers add up.The WALL STREET JOURNAL had an article yesterday which spelled it out.HE CANT BALANCE THE BUDGET with this plan.Its a farce.

THERE IS NO TAX CUT!!!!!You will be getting 13 bucks a week,that you will have to pay taxes on at the end of the year.THE TAX RATES DIDNT CHANGE!!!!

Everything this man says is a lie.

The liberal messiah can do no wrong to these people.

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Re: Climate of Change
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2009, 12:41:24 PM »
The only thing I agreed with the author on is: 
    "But America’s really big fiscal problems lurk over that budget horizon: sooner or later we’re going to have to come to grips with the forces driving up long-run spending — above all, the ever-rising cost of health care. And even if fundamental health care reform brings costs under control, I at least find it hard to see how the federal government can meet its long-term obligations without some tax increases on the middle class. Whatever politicians may say now, there’s probably a value-added tax in our future."

The rest of the article is looking through some very blurry glasses.  No one can defend this massive spending.  Obama is setting up the mark of success as having a 500-600 billion dollar budget deficit, that sucks and continues the mounting national deficit.  The goal is a balanced budget, as we had under Clinton.  Obama is very dissapointing and is very misleading with what he says.  You have to look at objective #s, not just listen to the nice rhetoric.

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Re: Climate of Change
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2009, 12:56:28 PM »
The only thing I agreed with the author on is: 
    "But America’s really big fiscal problems lurk over that budget horizon: sooner or later we’re going to have to come to grips with the forces driving up long-run spending — above all, the ever-rising cost of health care. And even if fundamental health care reform brings costs under control, I at least find it hard to see how the federal government can meet its long-term obligations without some tax increases on the middle class. Whatever politicians may say now, there’s probably a value-added tax in our future."

The rest of the article is looking through some very blurry glasses.  No one can defend this massive spending.  Obama is setting up the mark of success as having a 500-600 billion dollar budget deficit, that sucks and continues the mounting national deficit.  The goal is a balanced budget, as we had under Clinton.  Obama is very dissapointing and is very misleading with what he says.  You have to look at objective #s, not just listen to the nice rhetoric.

As a business person myself, I see through bs every day since I deal with con artists, scammers, liars, schemers all day trying to cheat my clients out of money.  I have to track down liars for a living on a daily basis.  I will tell you that my professional opinion is that Obama is perhaps the best liar of our generation.  He is way better than Clinton at lying.  That is because Obama does not even realize he is lying when he does it.  He actually believes his lies.

This issue with the spending and the stimulus has presented a case book example of lies, deceit, distortions, obfuscation, and manipulation.

The bottom line is that he did not inherit a trillion dollar deficit.  He inhereited a 500 billion dollar deficit or so before TARP.  He has been lying about the situation he inherited solely to pass his spending insanity along.   

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Re: Climate of Change
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2009, 03:27:11 PM »

What happens when the Cons win in 2010...and Obama losses in 2012....liberal douchbagery.....Carter with a tan.....
So true.

Jimmy (with no experience):  "I'm Jimmy Carter and I want to be President."

Barry (with no experience): "I'm Barack Obama and I want to be President."


Barry needs to pull his head out of his ass and realize that this country will not do well if he puts his plans into action.  Lucky for us he is already reneging on most of his promises.  In fact, he started doing it immediately after he was elected.
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Re: Climate of Change
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2009, 07:30:44 PM »
You guys are racist. Obama knows what he's doing. He fixed Chicago's inner city, and he's going to fix this country.

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Re: Climate of Change
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2009, 07:34:52 PM »
Yep....fix us right into 3rd world shithole status
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Re: Climate of Change
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2009, 08:05:27 AM »
You guys are racist. Obama knows what he's doing. He fixed Chicago's inner city, and he's going to fix this country.
Chicago still has a high crime rate and has the highest sales tax in the nation.  Yeah, he's spreading the wealth to people who are not deserving.  Not surprised he came from the corrupt area of Chicago and never held a real job.  It explains why he can so easily give a way hard working people's money to others.  It doesn't surprise me that idiots support this clown.
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Re: Climate of Change
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2009, 08:15:21 AM »
The budget has to be balanced.

In other words, you have to pay for the goodies.
If you want to go to war in Iraq, there's a bill to pay.[...]

Precisely what Ron Paul likes to call "blowback".

Many in the "yeah, let's bomb these fuckers!" contingency do not realise that someone has to pay for all that bombing... and it sure ain't the politicians!

Funny how as soon as gringo finds out he's gotta fork over 3Gs for the shit we're dropping in Basra or Baghdad he's not as trigger-happy (which he confuses with patriotism) as he was before the war.

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Re: Climate of Change
« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2009, 08:15:40 AM »
Paul Krugman?


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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA.

How many video's do I have to post that display his mental retardation before you get it?

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Re: Climate of Change
« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2009, 08:19:23 AM »
Look at his face when he realizes Canadians arent happy with their health system after he bragged about what a great model it was. I should post some more on the economy. The man is an idiot.




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Re: Climate of Change
« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2009, 08:21:31 AM »
Paul Krugman?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA A

wait......


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA.

How many video's do I have to post that display his mental retardation before you get it?
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Paul Krugman ...2008 Nobel Prize in Economics

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Re: Climate of Change
« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2009, 08:29:30 AM »
Didn't Jimmy Carter get a Nobel prize? Yeah, Nobel prize................... means nothing.
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Re: Climate of Change
« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2009, 08:36:15 AM »
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Look at Pauls face in that video when he finds out he's wrong, I bet you makes that face daily.

He can take that Swedish bank funded prize and shove it up his ass.


Tookie'' Williams: Crips Gang Co-founder was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize, Arafat, winner. Does that mean anything?

The man has shit for brains.

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Re: Climate of Change
« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2009, 08:42:56 AM »
Does it matter that recent polls show that a majority (about 63-67%) of Canadians gave their health care system either an A or a B grade?

No, what matters is what shows up in some youtube video about an economist "getting owned".

Can we get any dumber?

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Re: Climate of Change
« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2009, 08:43:37 AM »
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Yasser Arafat also got a nobel prize.

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Re: Climate of Change
« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2009, 08:44:56 AM »


Can we get any dumber?

 Yeah we can, you just arrived.

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Re: Climate of Change
« Reply #23 on: February 28, 2009, 08:48:36 AM »
Yeah we can, you just arrived.

Somehow I knew you were going to be the first one to respond.

Not every conversation is about you... You know that right? 

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Re: Climate of Change
« Reply #24 on: February 28, 2009, 08:52:32 AM »
Somehow I knew you were going to be the first one to respond.

Not every conversation is about you... You know that right? 

 ;D ;D ;D

Doh.  ;D