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Russian jet chased by Canada before Obama visit
« on: February 27, 2009, 11:16:05 AM »
Russian jet chased by Canada before Obama visit

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=1335735

OTTAWA - On the eve of Barack Obama's visit to Ottawa, a Russian jet approached Canada's Arctic air space and had to be turned away by Canadian warplanes, Defence Minister Peter MacKay said Friday at a news conference on Parliament Hill.

With Obama poised to leave American soil for the first time as U.S. president on Feb. 19, the joint Canada-U.S. aerospace command, Norad, detected the Russian plane. Two of Canada's CF-18 fighter jets were scrambled to intercept one Russian aircraft, MacKay confirmed.

At the time, Canada's was preparing to host the world's most popular politician on what would be his first international trip after weeks of preparation that included some of the tightest security ever. Indeed, the airspace over Canada's capital was temporarily closed to all planes but Obama's own Air Force One, which arrived and then departed after the seven-hour visit.

MacKay said at no time did the Russian plane enter Canadian air space.

"It's not a game," said MacKay, adding that Canada takes the approach of such aircraft seriously.

The incident was disclosed Friday morning at a joint news conference on Parliament Hill with MacKay, Gen. Walt Natynczyk, the chief of the defence staff and U.S. Gen. Gene Renuart, the commander of Norad.

In 2007, Russia planted its flag on the seabed below the North Pole and resumed flights of strategic bomber jets over the Arctic Ocean, a practice that stopped after the fall of the Soviet Union. The Harper Conservatives have since unveiled an Arctic strategy to assert Canadian sovereignty, and spur economic and social development in the Far North.

Relations between Russia and the West have been strained since last August when Russian forces marched into Georgia following the Georgian army's occupation of the breakaway province of South Ossetia.

Weeks after that, MacKay travelled to Iqualuit to reinforce his Conservative government's new sovereignty policy, where he put Russia on notice that Canada intended to be vigilant about foreign incursions in the region.

"We're obviously very concerned about much of what Russia has been doing lately," MacKay said last August. "When we see a Russian bear approaching Canadian air space, we meet them with an F-18," added MacKay, referring to Arctic patrol flights by Russian bombers. "We remind them that this is Canadian air space, that this is Canadian sovereign air space, and they turn back. And we are going to continue to do that, to demonstrate that we are watching closely their activities here."

Renuart is on a scheduled visit to Ottawa and was to address a major symposium later Friday at the annual meeting of the Conference of Defence Associations Institute.

Norad is the jewel of Canada-U.S. military relations, and it celebrated its first half decade in existence last year.

Norad was conceived in the Cold War to serve as an early warning system against a nuclear missile attack from the then Soviet Union.

Since the fall of the Berlin Wall, and following the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks it remains a major tool in the defence of North America.

A Canadian officer permanently holds the No. 2 position at Norad headquarters in Colorado Springs, Colo. On the morning of 9/11, it was a Canadian general who was on duty and who ordered the closure of North American airspace, and who dispatched Canadian and American warplanes into the continent's skies moments after New York and Washington were attacked by hijacked commercial airliners.




Here's a news conference (video at link) with Defence Minister Peter MacKay, U.S. Air Force Gen. Gene Renuart and Chief of Defence Staff Gen. Walter Natynczyk.

Stating "This is NO GAME".

http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/l...shColumbiaHome

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Re: Russian jet chased by Canada before Obama visit
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2009, 11:16:53 AM »
More news about this Top story leading Canada's news today.

There is speculation now (news commentary) that because Canada had most of it's security assets focused towards Ottawa for the Presidential visit that Russia took this as a chance to test us.

Sharp words are coming from Prime Minister harper towards the Russian government today.

Harper concerned by "aggressive" Russia

http://ca.reuters.com/article/domest...51Q49Y20090227

Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:32pm EST
SASKATOON, Saskatchewan (Reuters) - Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper, speaking after it emerged that a Russian bomber had flown toward Canada before U.S. President Barack Obama visited last week, said on Friday he was deeply worried about Moscow's "increasingly aggressive" actions.

The long-range Bear bomber did not enter Canada's Arctic airspace but Canadian CF-18 fighters had to order the plane to turn back. The incident took place less than 24 hours before Obama visited Ottawa on February 19.

"This is a real concern to us. I have expressed at various times the deep concern our government has with the increasingly aggressive Russian actions around the globe and into our airspace," Harper told a news conference in the western province of Saskatchewan.

"We will defend our airspace ... we will respond every time the Russians make any kind of intrusion on the sovereignty of Canada," he said.

Another video, McKay tells Russia to "Back Off!" He looks pretty angry.

http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/593987

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Re: Russian jet chased by Canada before Obama visit
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2009, 11:24:21 AM »
Canada Scrambled Jets During Obama Visit After Russian Incursion
Friday February 27, 2009
By Stephen Thorne The Canadian Press



Canadian fighter jets were scrambled to intercept a snooping Russian bomber over the High Arctic on the eve of U.S. President Barack Obama's visit to Ottawa last week.

"At no time did Russian planes enter Canadian airspace," Defence Minister Peter MacKay told a news conference Friday. "But within 24 hours of the president's visit to Canada last week we did scramble two F-18 fighter planes.

"They met. The Russian aircraft was approaching Canadian airspace and, as they have done on previous occasions, (the Canadians) sent very clear signals that were understood: that aircraft was to turn tail and head back to its own airspace. Which it did."

The CF-18s took off from Cold Lake, Alta., on Feb. 18 after Norad detected the Cold War-era, long-range bomber known as a Bear headed for Canadian airspace. While the lumbering aircraft never entered North American airspace, MacKay suggested the flight's timing was suspect.

"I'm not going to stand here and accuse the Russians of deliberately doing this during the presidential visit," he said. "But it was a strong coincidence, which we met with the presence, as we always do, of F-18 fighter planes and world-class pilots that know their business."

They sent a signal, MacKay said, that the Russians should "back off and stay out of our airspace."

Russian aircraft regularly probed into North American airspace during the Cold War and Canadian and American fighters routinely tracked the snoopers and escorted them back into international air space.

Such flights were suspended for years after the collapse of the Soviet Union, but resumed in recent years as Russia pushed its claim on the Arctic and oil wealth allowed the country to spend more on its military.

Last summer, then-foreign affairs minister David Emerson said Russian intrusions into Canadian air space had greatly increased.

U.S. air force Gen. Gene Renuart, head of the North American Aerospace Defence Command, said pilots use internationally recognized signals to head off such incursions, including rocking wings, turning in front of the bombers and issuing radio warnings.

"While we do not speak the common language, they are trained in those common signals just as we are," said Renuart. "To date, those have been effective in deviating or deterring those aircraft from entering into either Canadian or American airspace."

The Russian pilots have been "professional" in their conduct, he added, but it's important for Canada and the United States to maintain "that solid, integrated air defence posture that we have."

MacKay said the Russians give no warning prior to the flights. Canadian government officials, including MacKay, have asked the Russian ambassador and defence minister to give Ottawa notice of such flights. The requests have fallen on deaf ears.

"They simply show up on a radar screen," the minister said. "This is not a game at all.

"These aircraft approaching Canadian airspace are viewed very seriously."

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Re: Russian jet chased by Canada before Obama visit
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2009, 11:38:28 AM »
What kind of plane was the Russian bomber??  One of those older Tu-95's or something else??  Oh OK, I read Jag's article and it was the Tupolev Tu-95, known as the "Bear."  It's not actually a jet (as stated in the 1st article) but an older turboprop aircraft.  Here's a pic:



http://www.military-today.com/aircraft/tupolev_tu95_bear.htm

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Re: Russian jet chased by Canada before Obama visit
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2009, 11:38:44 AM »
If the friggen Russians think for one minute our AF and by that I mean the unified comman under the US and Canadian NORAD folks are asleep on the job, they can forget about it. Nice try.....the Bear needs to realize while their shit was rusting, we've been kicking the shit out of everybody.
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Re: Russian jet chased by Canada before Obama visit
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2009, 12:11:56 PM »
If the friggen Russians think for one minute our AF and by that I mean the unified comman under the US and Canadian NORAD folks are asleep on the job, they can forget about it. Nice try.....the Bear needs to realize while their shit was rusting, we've been kicking the shit out of everybody.

Yes.  We're doing such a good job kicking the shit out of afghanistan and iraq that we've done it for 7 and 5 years, respectively.

A good fighter doesn't knock out his opponent in ten seconds.  he lets the other guy box him for 15 rounds, having his teeth knocked out and sustaining lots of punches in the process.  Then, when he's incurrsed serious head trauma and maybe lost an eye, he has his brother the ref stop the fight and declare victory for him.   Right guys?

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Re: Russian jet chased by Canada before Obama visit
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2009, 12:24:12 PM »
Yes.  We're doing such a good job kicking the shit out of afghanistan and iraq that we've done it for 7 and 5 years, respectively.

A good fighter doesn't knock out his opponent in ten seconds.  he lets the other guy box him for 15 rounds, having his teeth knocked out and sustaining lots of punches in the process.  Then, when he's incurrsed serious head trauma and maybe lost an eye, he has his brother the ref stop the fight and declare victory for him.   Right guys?

In almost every measure Iraq has turned out be a complete victory.
Its time for the left to remember this.
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http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/02/27/1814064.aspx
BOEHNER: "The President's announcement today is a testament to the success of our troops in stabilizing and significantly reducing violence in Iraq, and to the strategy put in place by General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker two years ago. This strategy has helped us preserve U.S. national security interests and allow the Iraqi people to more firmly take control of their own destiny as a sovereign, representative, and independent nation in the heart of the Middle East. The plan put forward by President Obama continues our strategy of bringing troops home from Iraq as they succeed in stabilizing the country. I believe he has outlined a responsible approach that retains maximum flexibility to reconsider troop levels and to respond to changes in the security environment should circumstances on the ground warrant. On a recent trip to Iraq with some of my colleagues, we were reminded by both our military commanders and diplomatic officials that while the progress on both security and political reconciliation in Iraq is real, those gains are also fragile and reversible. I am pleased that the President is listening to our military commanders and that we have a plan in place for victory while also ensuring the safety and success of our military forces."
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Re: Russian jet chased by Canada before Obama visit
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2009, 12:42:28 PM »
In almost every measure Iraq has turned out be a complete victory.

BAH-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Re: Russian jet chased by Canada before Obama visit
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2009, 12:46:57 PM »
there are 142k men in iraq, right?

We're sitll an occupying force, using that many men to keep peace.

will there be peace with 50k, or even 2k troops?

I doubt it.

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Re: Russian jet chased by Canada before Obama visit
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2009, 12:53:47 PM »
If the friggen Russians think for one minute our AF and by that I mean the unified comman under the US and Canadian NORAD folks are asleep on the job, they can forget about it.

Good to know things have changed since 9/11
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Re: Russian jet chased by Canada before Obama visit
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2009, 01:10:49 PM »
there are 142k men in iraq, right?

We're sitll an occupying force, using that many men to keep peace.

will there be peace with 50k, or even 2k troops?

I doubt it.

Iraq is more peaceful then it was under Sadaam. That is a major sign of progress.

50,000 troops aren't to help with Iraq, but to help to protect Iraq from Iran.

The Arabs need protection from Iran, just like Israel does.

http://www.metimes.com/International/2008/09/29/irans_nefarious_plans_for_the_gulf/8274/
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Re: Russian jet chased by Canada before Obama visit
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2009, 01:28:06 PM »
Iraq is more peaceful then it was under Sadaam. That is a major sign of progress.

50,000 troops aren't to help with Iraq, but to help to protect Iraq from Iran.

The Arabs need protection from Iran, just like Israel does.

http://www.metimes.com/International/2008/09/29/irans_nefarious_plans_for_the_gulf/8274/

i dont even know where to start with this shit. 'irans_nefarious_plans' oh fucking brother ::)

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Re: Russian jet chased by Canada before Obama visit
« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2009, 01:30:46 PM »
How did a discussion about a bunch of Russian Bears & Canadian F-18's turn into a discussion of Israel & Iran? ???
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Re: Russian jet chased by Canada before Obama visit
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2009, 01:33:26 PM »
How did a discussion about a bunch of Russian Bears & Canadian F-18's turn into a discussion of Israel & Iran? ???

F-18's are cool.  Occasionally I see them flying out of Hill AFB up here...  they're a lot noisier than the F-16's!  We also have A-10's based at Hill.  Those are badass mofo's.

I'd much rather talk about fighter/attack jets than Israel and Iran, but that's just me. :)

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Re: Russian jet chased by Canada before Obama visit
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2009, 01:39:34 PM »
i dont even know where to start with this shit. 'irans_nefarious_plans' oh fucking brother ::)

You didn't read the article.

So you make fun of it.

Good job.
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Re: Russian jet chased by Canada before Obama visit
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2009, 02:10:17 PM »
i'm a little pissed that Putin reared his head into american airspace, and Palin wasn't there to stop it.


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Re: Russian jet chased by Canada before Obama visit
« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2009, 02:38:09 PM »
i'm a little pissed that Putin reared his head into american airspace, and Palin wasn't there to stop it.



She loves Russians, haven't you seen Who's Nailin Palin?  ;D
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Re: Russian jet chased by Canada before Obama visit
« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2009, 03:20:49 PM »
Never as dramatic as it ever seems.

A Russian Jet mistakenly roamed into Canadian Airspace, Canadians remind them that they aren't allowed to do that and they turn around.

They weren't "chased" out in some aggressive manner or anything like that.

News headlines make it seem like the Russian Jet was literally chased down and ran away from the Canadian Jets. In reality they just likely followed the jet out of their airspace.

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Re: Russian jet chased by Canada before Obama visit
« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2009, 04:03:37 PM »
i dont even know where to start with this shit. 'irans_nefarious_plans' oh fucking brother ::)

Translation....I get top secret briefs from multiple intel sources that say Iran isn't fucking about in Iraq...in reality JM, u have no idea what the hell ur talking about and get ur info from the same sources the rest of these people do.
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Re: Russian jet chased by Canada before Obama visit
« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2009, 04:06:09 PM »
Yes.  We're doing such a good job kicking the shit out of afghanistan and iraq that we've done it for 7 and 5 years, respectively.

A good fighter doesn't knock out his opponent in ten seconds.  he lets the other guy box him for 15 rounds, having his teeth knocked out and sustaining lots of punches in the process.  Then, when he's incurrsed serious head trauma and maybe lost an eye, he has his brother the ref stop the fight and declare victory for him.   Right guys?

I missed ur tours in Iraq and Afghanistan.....when they pick their heads up..they get frog stomped....it doesn't mean they aren't still running around. Compare that to the Russian experience in Chechnya and the "invasion" of Georgia. Having to spend days bombing the same friggen target, because ur pilots suck, doesn't inspire confidence.
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Re: Russian jet chased by Canada before Obama visit
« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2009, 04:08:39 PM »
I missed ur tours in Iraq and Afghanistan.....when they pick their heads up..they get frog stomped....it doesn't mean they aren't still running around. Compare that to the Russian experience in Chechnya and the "invasion" of Georgia. Having to spend days bombing the same friggen target, because ur pilots suck, doesn't inspire confidence.

240 was at the 'no war - burn your bra' rallies down in Miami. He didn't get the memo regarding Russias' recent adventures......

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Re: Russian jet chased by Canada before Obama visit
« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2009, 04:11:59 PM »
240 was at the 'no war - burn your bra' rallies down in Miami. He didn't get the memo regarding Russias' recent adventures......

yea he didn't get the memo stating that the usa-backed itty bitty georgia got cute and russia put its foot down.

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Re: Russian jet chased by Canada before Obama visit
« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2009, 04:34:25 PM »
Sure...Russia came rolling....after careful planning and massing its best troops and vehicles, it invaded. And didn't scare anybody. Maybe it scared some of the European politico's, but nobody in a uniform is shaking. They did do a good job at cyber-warfare...but we're talking Georgia. Our training and support has been limited to anti-terrorist training, planning and equiping. This does little good against armor or air.
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Re: Russian jet chased by Canada before Obama visit
« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2009, 04:46:41 PM »
Sure...Russia came rolling....after careful planning and massing its best troops and vehicles, it invaded. And didn't scare anybody. Maybe it scared some of the European politico's, but nobody in a uniform is shaking. They did do a good job at cyber-warfare...but we're talking Georgia. Our training and support has been limited to anti-terrorist training, planning and equiping. This does little good against armor or air.

I'll bet the Georgian grunts were scared...