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Californication
« on: February 28, 2009, 07:21:07 AM »
Californication
Feb 26th 2009


America has witnessed a huge shift in regional power


THE 2008 election did not just put a new president in the White House. It also completed one of the biggest shifts in the regional balance of power in America’s recent history, draining influence away from the once-mighty South and redistributing it to the coasts. This will help determine who gets what from Barack Obama’s attempts to stimulate and reshape the economy.

The biggest winner from this internal revolution is America’s biggest state, California. Nancy Pelosi, who has been speaker of the House since 2007, is no longer restrained by a Republican president. Californians run two of the most powerful committees in the House: Energy and Commerce (Henry Waxman), Education and Labour (George Miller), plus an important subcommittee on intelligence (Jane Harman). Most of the Californians act as Mrs Pelosi’s praetorian guard in the House, not least because she sometimes gives them a lift home on her official jet.

Two of the most powerful voices in the Senate, Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer, are also Californians. Mrs Boxer has already made it clear that, as chairman of the Environment and Public Works Committee, she will do her best to improve California’s crumbling roads. And Mrs Feinstein, who runs the Intelligence Committee, has already given Mr Obama a flea in his ear for not consulting her before nominating Leon Panetta to run the CIA.

Californian number-plates will not be as ubiquitous as Texan ones used to be in the White House car park. But Mr Obama has nominated several Californians to leading positions in his administration besides Mr Panetta: Hilda Solis, a former congresswoman, to run the Labour Department, Steven Chu, a former head of the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, to Energy, Nancy Sutley, a former deputy mayor of Los Angeles, to run the Council on Environmental Quality.

The rise of California is matched by the fall of the South. Southern politicians have long punched above their weight in Washington. Southern Democrats such as Lyndon Johnson and Sam Rayburn dominated Congress before the civil-rights era. The rise of the modern Republican Party projected a succession of southern conservatives to the pinnacle of power—Newt Gingrich and Dick Armey in the 1990s and Tom DeLay in the early 2000s; not to mention the two Texan George Bushes. The Democrats were so worried about their decline in the South that they ran two southerners, Bill Clinton and Al Gore, in 1992 and 1996. Now the South is as impotent as it has been for a century.

This geographical shift has brought dramatic changes in style and substance. California’s Democratic House delegation is the most diverse on the Hill, with 10 white women, nine Hispanics, four black women and two Asian-Americans. It is also one of the most left-wing, according to the voting records. It is hard to imagine a bigger change from the southern-fried conservatives who once lorded it over Congress.

Equally striking is the social difference between the Californians and the southerners. Mrs Pelosi, Mrs Feinstein and Mrs Harman are all married to wealthy businessmen—extremely wealthy in Mrs Harman’s case. Mrs Pelosi’s district, San Francisco, is a combination of a playground for the ultra-rich and a sewer for the underclass, with the middle classes priced out of the market. Mr Waxman’s district, West Los Angeles, is the glitziest concentration of wealth on the planet. The southerners, by contrast, were mostly men of modest means who represented middle-class suburbs, a world away from Pacific Heights, where Mrs Pelosi lives, and Rodeo Drive, in the heart of Mr Waxman’s district.

The Californian Democrats’ agenda is the polar opposite of the southern Republicans’: pro-green and pro-union, anti-business and anti-war. Mr Waxman and Mrs Boxer have long outdone most of their party in supporting tougher environmental standards. As the architect of much of the anti-tobacco legislation of the 1990s, Mr Waxman is casting around for new monsters to slay. (High on his list are energy companies.)

A dangerous state

The Californication of the Democratic Party carries all sorts of risks. The most obvious is that California has the most dysfunctional politics in the country. The Golden State has one of the highest unemployment rates in America, at 9.3%, thanks to its high taxes, its unions, its anti-business climate and its gigantic housing bubble. Some 100,000 people have fled the state each year since the early 2000s. More would follow if they could sell their houses. A second risk is party disunity. The rise of the Californians has already produced bloodshed: Mrs Pelosi beat Martin Frost, a Texan moderate, for the leadership, and Mr Waxman dethroned John Dingell, from Michigan, for the chairmanship of the energy committee. Sherrod Brown, a senator for Ohio, and Debbie Stabenow, a senator for Michigan, have both worried aloud about overzealous environmental legislation and the coastal bias against manufacturing.

The biggest risk is overreach. Many Californian liberals are as far to the left on cultural issues as the southern Republicans were to the right. Many of them also draw their support from two groups that have limited appeal to the rest of the country, particularly to the “bitter” voters that Mr Obama had such trouble wooing in November; the fabulously rich and public-sector activists.

All this suggests that one of Mr Obama’s most delicate tasks, if he wants to prevent his party from being captured by the “left coast” in the same way that the Republicans were captured by the South, will be to contain the Californian barons. He has plenty of advantages when it comes to performing such a task. Chicago is not San Francisco. And Mr Obama did remarkably well in the South, capturing Virginia and North Carolina and coming within five points of taking Georgia. But putting just one person with a southern drawl in his cabinet might have helped.
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Re: Californication
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2009, 07:26:40 AM »
It's America, we always overcorrect.

That's one of the reasons I'm a fan of either the senate, house or both being a different party than the president. Things could have been done in a more balanced way if the economy weren't tanked.

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Re: Californication
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2009, 07:31:54 AM »

That's one of the reasons I'm a fan of either the senate, house or both being a different party than the president. Things could have been done in a more balanced way if the economy weren't tanked.
I don't agree at all. That is a recipe for gridlock and a president not being able to accomplish the agenda for which he/she was elected.
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« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2009, 07:37:45 AM »
I don't agree at all. That is a recipe for gridlock and a president not being able to accomplish the agenda for which he/she was elected.

Leads to excessive pork and unrestrained spending.

Being forced to compromise and govern from the middle makes more sense to me.

As far as agendas go... by the time those whores get to Washington so many lies have been told why anyone voted for them is long forgotten. :)

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« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2009, 07:47:28 AM »
Leads to excessive pork and unrestrained spending.

Being forced to compromise and govern from the middle makes more sense to me.

As far as agendas go... by the time those whores get to Washington so many lies have been told why anyone voted for them is long forgotten. :)
Excessive pork is the result of the undue interest of special interest groups, not the majority party in the house and senate that match the executive branch.

Compromise can be made with a president that seeks bipartanship. It is the reason those tax cuts were in our current president's stimulus plan. However, again, undue compromise and governance from the middle guarantees the agenda of a president is not carried out. It is the reason we are still dependent on foreign oil 30+ years after President Carter's speech and the reason President Truman's desire for universal health care has yet to be implemented.  ;)

Perhaps for the tragically absent-minded campaign promises are soon forgotten, but not to the dutifully informed. I am happy and pleased to see the Obama administration pushing forward on EXACTLY the agenda promised during the presidential campaign. It is the fault of the American people should they choose to elect politicians of such weak moral character that they should be considered "whores" who back away from promises as soon as they assume office.
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Re: Californication
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2009, 07:58:42 AM »
Funny how whenever the word "unions" is used anywhere here in the US it is usually and promptly followed by the "anti-business environment" line.

Funny thing is California is the richest state in the union. Their business can't be THAT bad.

Don't be fooled.

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Re: Californication
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2009, 07:59:24 AM »
Excessive pork is the result of the undue interest of special interest groups, not the majority party in the house and senate that match the executive branch.

Compromise can be made with a president that seeks bipartanship. It is the reason those tax cuts were in our current president's stimulus plan. However, again, undue compromise and governance from the middle guarantees the agenda of a president is not carried out. It is the reason we are still dependent on foreign oil 30+ years after President Carter's speech and the reason President Truman's desire for universal health care has yet to be implemented.  ;)

Perhaps for the tragically absent-minded campaign promises are soon forgotten, but not to the dutifully informed. I am happy and pleased to see the Obama administration pushing forward on EXACTLY the agenda promised during the presidential campaign. It is the fault of the American people should they choose to elect politicians of such weak moral character that they should be considered "whores" who back away from promises as soon as they assume office.

Oh brother, are you for real? ::)  Could your head be any farther up O's colon?

"Moral character" my fanny.  You think the Senate seat-buying scandal that recently came to light in IL is something relatively new?  That's just politics as usual there.  Your boy is as crooked as the day is long and so are all his crooked tax-evading cronies.

By the time America sees that O's agenda hasn't fixed a damn thing, it'll be too late to undo it and that's what he's counting on.

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Re: Californication
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2009, 08:13:46 AM »
Oh brother, are you for real? ::)  Could your head be any farther up O's colon?

"Moral character" my fanny.  You think the Senate seat-buying scandal that recently came to light in IL is something relatively new?  That's just politics as usual there.  Your boy is as crooked as the day is long and so are all his crooked tax-evading cronies.

By the time America sees that O's agenda hasn't fixed a damn thing, it'll be too late to undo it and that's what he's counting on.

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« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2009, 08:15:25 AM »
Lack of a true national will is the reason we don't have universal healthcare. No more, no less.

People on welfare get too much already and we don't need more octomoms popping out 14 children. We are a country of excess and people in the middle are afraid of going bankrupt keeping all the baby boomers, welfare moms and overeaters alive forever. On some level we'd rather have a few good people fall through the cracks than expand the welfare state on the backs of working class Americans.

Until the far left ceases to scream "what about the children?" every single time welfare reform is mentioned no one is going to do anything about universal healthcare but pander. You, who seem to be educated or at the very least smart, know that whoever controls the language tends to win public arguments. There's no possible way to discuss universal healthcare without people automatically thinking about the welfare mess that will never be addressed fully/honestly. Don't misunderstand me. We, working people, need welfare. Not for compassionate reasons but as an act of enlightened self interest.

Politicians have agendas, not morals. They're all whores.

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« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2009, 08:25:13 AM »
A member of getbig's "Stroke Crew!"  :D

I swear you're trying to cause a few strokes with your hyperbolic praise of our Prez.

I try not to take the bait but sometimes I get sucked in, just like with your partner in spin, 240.

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Re: Californication
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2009, 08:27:27 AM »
Funny how some people (try to) explain what is KNOWN as a chaotic system (be it political, economic or social), A.K.A. the United States of America, into two or three sound-good soundbites of what THEY feel is wrong with the country, yet offer no alternatives aside from the usual (unrealistic) one-size-fits-all solutions.

Does it matter that 2/3 of Americans want the federal government to guarantee health insurance for all?

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« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2009, 08:38:31 AM »
Lack of a true national will is the reason we don't have universal healthcare. No more, no less.
We'll have something close to it by the end of this year.  ;)

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People on welfare get too much already and we don't need more octomoms popping out 14 children. We are a country of excess and people in the middle are afraid of going bankrupt keeping all the baby boomers, welfare moms and overeaters alive forever. On some level we'd rather have a few good people fall through the cracks than expand the welfare state on the backs of working class Americans.


Until the far left ceases to scream "what about the children?" every single time welfare reform is mentioned no one is going to do anything about universal healthcare but pander. You, who seem to be educated or at the very least smart, know that whoever controls the language tends to win public arguments. There's no possible way to discuss universal healthcare without people automatically thinking about the welfare mess that will never be addressed fully/honestly. Don't misunderstand me. We, working people, need welfare. Not for compassionate reasons but as an act of enlightened self interest.
Where you're going here brings this thread in a completely different direction. If you are interested in blasting certain aspects of the social safety net of welfare, to a large extent most will be in full agreement. I don't think anyone on this board supports the concept of women having double digit children without the means to support them.

When you write about whoever controls the language controls the public discourse, that is quite true. But when you break it down to the most simplistic of language, most Americans appear to be in favor of a much more comprehensive healthcare system that can be affordable to all people. It is the skillful politician who can articulate the vision of what the people want and need, thereby bring it to fruition.
 
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Politicians have agendas, not morals. They're all whores.
Everyone in life has an agenda. By your definition, perhaps we should all be called whores. If you are going to put us all on the same playing field, both the politicians and the constituency, then I agree. But such a hardened and cynical view of every politician is not the way I choose to view our democracy.
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Re: Californication
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2009, 08:39:58 AM »
I wonder if that fat bitch Oprah is going to pay 40% taxation for her skinny assed hero president. I wonder if she really cares about spreading the wealth and sharing with the general masses.
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Re: Californication
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2009, 08:44:39 AM »
I wonder if that fat bitch Oprah is going to pay 40% taxation for her skinny assed hero president. I wonder if she really cares about spreading the wealth and sharing with the general masses.
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Oprah made a ton of money during the 90's under the same tax plan, as did millions of others. I think she's ok with it.  ;)
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Re: Californication
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2009, 09:04:48 AM »
Yeah, bankruptcy, fleeing taxpayers, businesses closing. 

Real good.

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« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2009, 09:07:35 AM »
Oprah made a ton of money during the 90's under the same tax plan, as did millions of others. I think she's ok with it.  ;)
Jealous much?

Clinton cut capital gains tax and encated welfare reform.

Your boyfriend is increasing capital gains taxes and getting rid of welfare reform.

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« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2009, 09:14:22 AM »
Clinton didn't enact welfare reform. People who didn't get jobs ended up on SSD & SSI, the rates at which minorities got off was also much slower.

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I'm for the smallest Govt. humanly possible.

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Re: Californication
« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2009, 09:15:43 AM »
Clinton didn't enact welfare reform. People who didn't get jobs ended up on SSD & SSI, the rates at which minorities got off was also much slower.

Benny,

I'm for the smallest Govt. humanly possible.

So you're sort of an anarchyst then?

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« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2009, 09:21:39 AM »
So you're sort of an anarchyst then?

No but the Govt. Shouldn't be playing parent or asserting influence over every aspect of our lives.

I'm also an isolationist and don't feel we should give any foreign aid beyond what reduces illegal/legal immigration. Someone like me could never tell enough lies to get into office.

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« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2009, 09:22:28 AM »
So you're sort of an anarchyst then?

That is the starw man you liberals always throw out there.  

Its not an either or situation.  

Thomas Jefferson, who was infinitely smarter than you ever will be, said it best:

"The govt who governs least, governs best."

What Obama is is doing is trying to make permanent welfare receipients of everyone.

No thanks.

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Re: Californication
« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2009, 09:46:35 AM »
That is the starw man you liberals always throw out there.  

Its not an either or situation.  

Thomas Jefferson, who was infinitely smarter than you ever will be, said it best:

"The govt who governs least, governs best."

What Obama is is doing is trying to make permanent welfare receipients of everyone.

No thanks.

No, no messier, I am an anarchist too. I think we all are, in some sense, anarchists, especially as soon as we find ourselves in the "jaws of the beast". However, there is one MAJOR difference amongst all these anarchists, one that involves social policies. By this I mean I have no beef WHATSOEVER about public education, unemployment benefits or universal health care or any other social benefit that has a positive impact in the lives of a MAJORITY of Americans. I do not mind having to work an extra hour a day for that.

I do have an issue when public money is being systematically funneled, regardless of the political party in power, to the richest 5% of Americans, who ARE the real thieves here and require, in my opinion, the spotlight be put on them, and not on the 20-30% of "illegal" welfare recipients. But even this is open for discusion too. But let's prioritize a bit here and go after the ones who REALLY steal from the masses.   

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« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2009, 09:54:54 AM »
No, no messier, I am an anarchist too. I think we all are, in some sense, anarchists, especially as soon as we find ourselves in the "jaws of the beast". However, there is one MAJOR difference amongst all these anarchists, one that involves social policies. By this I mean I have no beef WHATSOEVER about public education, unemployment benefits or universal health care or any other social benefit that has a positive impact in the lives of a MAJORITY of Americans. I do not mind having to work an extra hour a day for that.

I do have an issue when public money is being systematically funneled, regardless of the political party in power, to the richest 5% of Americans, who ARE the real thieves here and require, in my opinion, the spotlight be put on them, and not on the 20-30% of "illegal" welfare recipients. But even this is open for discusion too. But let's prioritize a bit here and go after the ones who REALLY steal from the masses.   

You are not an anarchist if you force me to pay 50% of my income to support causes you think are beneficial.

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Re: Californication
« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2009, 10:07:06 AM »
I mean, look at the following picture:



Look at the 20s and the concentration of wealth and the impact it had in the nation's economy. Look at the period of the "golden years" (Aka "Middle class America"). You connect the dots.

It's no wander our economy is collapsing, there's FAR too much money in the hands of too few people. We can honestly say that this small group have a practical and real monopoly on money in this country. They chose when to lend (as was the case up until a year or so ago before the mortgage debacle) and when to retract and put the money in safe investments. The ones who suffer the most from these expansion/contraction episodes is the majority of Americans, not your Warren Buffets.


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Re: Californication
« Reply #23 on: February 28, 2009, 10:16:54 AM »
You are not an anarchist if you force me to pay 50% of my income to support causes you think are beneficial.

I'm not forcing you to pay anything, that is something YOU are saying, not ME. On the record.

What I AM saying is that social programs, albeit costly in some cases, are the tip of the iceberg. Look at Bush's (someone who HAAATED social programs) deficit and you tell me that isn't the case. I am also saying that we redirect all our angers and efforts to pointing out who is fostering this situation of hypertaxation which seems to generate progressively fewer (marginal) benefits to the population as a whole. We can easily point to the politicians, but you'd only be pointing out the guy who's got his fingers up your ass and not necessarily the guy who gave the order to put fingers up people's asses.

I mean, let's not pick on the weak here. Let's go for the big fish if we've got the balls. 

 

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« Reply #24 on: February 28, 2009, 10:19:16 AM »
That is why Obama's tax hikes are a complete fraud.

A guy who makes 250k in income is not rich.  That is a complete farse.

Lets say I open my business and after 10 years I finally make over 250k a year, but have little savings, wealth, etc.  Now I am the target as a rich guy.

However, you have people like Gates, Buffet, Soros, Kennedy's, et al, who all have huge accumulated wealth.  Obama is not taking wealth that is concentrated in the hands of these few people, he is taxing income which is already taxed at a high level.

Do you understand the difference between taxing wealth and taxing income?.