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« on: March 02, 2009, 07:42:47 AM »
YIKES...
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« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2009, 07:46:32 AM »
YIKES...

Obama's fault.

GWB got blamed for everything.  Now it is Obama's turn. 

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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2009, 07:52:41 AM »
GWB was blamed because GWB DID IT....
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« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2009, 07:55:03 AM »
GWB was blamed because GWB DID IT....

And - Obama is sending a message to the private sector that he is delcaring war on it. 

So, a portion of the collapse in the economy is due to him and his bs.. 

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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2009, 08:04:03 AM »
And - Obama is sending a message to the private sector that he is delcaring war on it. 

So, a portion of the collapse in the economy is due to him and his bs.. 


A deserved war..as the so called private sector has been responsible for all of the corruption and damage america is now suffering. Obama (I am not a supporter) can only try and fix the DISASTER GWB caused/ushered in. While his method in my eyes is ridiculous as I would not bailout those who have caused the problem in the first place, but rather would have commandeered the companies, jailed all of the executive staff and tried to sort out what has been done and how it could be fixed without much government financial interference. As it stands giving away BILLIONS even TRILLIONS to these IDIOTS is only allowing them to continue the corruption that has caused all america is experiencing.
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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2009, 08:05:57 AM »
A deserved war..as the so called private sector has been responsible for all of the corruption and damage america is now suffering. Obama (I am not a supporter) can only try and fix the DISASTER GWB caused/ushered in. While his method in my eyes is ridiculous as I would not bailout those who have caused the problem in the first place, but rather would have commandeered the companies, jailed all of the executive staff and tried to sort out what has been done and how it could be fixed without much government financial interference. As it stands giving away BILLIONS even TRILLIONS to these IDIOTS is only allowing them to continue the corruption that has caused all america is experiencing.

And what about South America/Europe/Japan et al?????????

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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2009, 08:10:07 AM »
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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2009, 09:16:32 AM »
A deserved war..as the so called private sector has been responsible for all of the corruption and damage america is now suffering. Obama (I am not a supporter) can only try and fix the DISASTER GWB caused/ushered in. While his method in my eyes is ridiculous as I would not bailout those who have caused the problem in the first place, but rather would have commandeered the companies, jailed all of the executive staff and tried to sort out what has been done and how it could be fixed without much government financial interference. As it stands giving away BILLIONS even TRILLIONS to these IDIOTS is only allowing them to continue the corruption that has caused all america is experiencing.

CLINTON pushed through the Glass-Steagall Act and  signed the Commodity Futures Modernization Act which exempted credit-default swaps from regulation. He also pressured banks to lend in low-income neighborhoods.

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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2009, 09:18:01 AM »
CLINTON pushed through the Glass-Steagall Act and  signed the Commodity Futures Modernization Act which exempted credit-default swaps from regulation. He also pressured banks to lend in low-income neighborhoods.

I love how the liberals always jump from Reagan to Bush and act like 8 years of Clinton did not happen. 

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« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2009, 09:50:11 AM »
CLINTON pushed through the Glass-Steagall Act and  signed the Commodity Futures Modernization Act which exempted credit-default swaps from regulation. He also pressured banks to lend in low-income neighborhoods.

How dare u quote facts..liberal douchebags do not work well with facts. They feel that GWB was bad, while Obama and his sunny bullshit are good.
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« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2009, 09:51:37 AM »
Obama's fault.

GWB got blamed for everything.  Now it is Obama's turn. 
wrong, in the first part of Bush's first term, did not Clinton get blamed for everything?  YUP...

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« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2009, 09:53:55 AM »
wrong, in the first part of Bush's first term, did not Clinton get blamed for everything?  YUP...

Ok, so at what point do we get to blame Obama?

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« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2009, 09:54:43 AM »
No not really..the media dropped Clinton almost immediately. The economy faced a down turn after Bush came in that was a result of the last year or 2 of Clinton's run. That was ignored.
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« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2009, 10:01:37 AM »
CLINTON pushed through the Glass-Steagall Act and  signed the Commodity Futures Modernization Act which exempted credit-default swaps from regulation. He also pressured banks to lend in low-income neighborhoods.

Clinton NEVER pressured ANY banks to lend anything to low income neighborhoods.,.YOU ARE A LIAR. As that clown Clinton exited the whitehouse the debt clock was turned off because america for the first time in a long time had a surplus of funds...NO DEBT. Bush came in and burned through the surplus plus spent an additional 11 TRILLION dollars
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« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2009, 10:05:05 AM »
Ok, so at what point do we get to blame Obama?

Only AFTER he screws up.
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« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2009, 10:05:48 AM »
Clinton NEVER pressured ANY banks to lend anything to low income neighborhoods.,.YOU ARE A LIAR. As that clown Clinton exited the whitehouse the debt clock was turned off because america for the first time in a long time had a surplus of funds...NO DEBT. Bush came in and burned through the surplus plus spent an additional 11 TRILLION dollars

That was the result of the dot com bubble and the GOP congress and Clinton working together to pare down costs.

What we have now is run away chaos.

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« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2009, 10:07:35 AM »
But it was the Clinton administration, obsessed with multiculturalism, that dictated where mortgage lenders could lend, and originally helped create the market for the high-risk subprime loans now infecting like a retrovirus the balance sheets of many of Wall Street's most revered institutions.

Tough new regulations forced lenders into high-risk areas where they had no choice but to lower lending standards to make the loans that sound business practices had previously guarded against making. It was either that or face stiff government penalties.

The untold story in this whole national crisis is that President Clinton put on steroids the Community Reinvestment Act*, a well-intended Carter-era law designed to encourage minority homeownership. And in so doing, he helped create the market for the risky subprime loans that he and Democrats now decry as not only greedy but "predatory."

Yes, the market was fueled by greed and overleveraging in the secondary market for subprimes, vis-a-vis mortgaged-backed securities traded on Wall Street. But the seed was planted in the '90s by Clinton and his social engineers. They were the political catalyst behind this slow-motion financial train wreck.

And it was the Clinton administration that mismanaged the quasi-governmental agencies that over the decades have come to manage the real estate market in America.

As soon as Clinton crony Franklin Delano Raines took the helm in 1999 at Fannie Mae, for example, he used it as his personal piggy bank, looting it for a total of almost $100 million in compensation by the time he left in early 2005 under an ethical cloud.

Other Clinton cronies, including Janet Reno aide Jamie Gorelick, padded their pockets to the tune of another $75 million.

Raines was accused of overstating earnings and shifting losses so he and other senior executives could earn big bonuses.

In the end, Fannie had to pay a record $400 million civil fine for SEC and other violations, while also agreeing as part of a settlement to make changes in its accounting procedures and ways of managing risk.

But it was too little, too late. Raines had reportedly steered Fannie Mae business to subprime giant Countrywide Financial, which was saved from bankruptcy by Bank of America.

At the same time, the Clinton administration was pushing Fannie and her brother Freddie Mac to buy more mortgages from low-income households.

The Clinton-era corruption, combined with unprecedented catering to affordable-housing lobbyists, resulted in today's nationalization of both Fannie and Freddie, a move that is expected to cost taxpayers tens of billions of dollars.

And the worst is far from over. By the time it is, we'll all be paying for Clinton's social experiment, one that Obama hopes to trump with a whole new round of meddling in the housing and jobs markets. In fact, the social experiment Obama has planned could dwarf both the Great Society and New Deal in size and scope.

There's a political root cause to this mess that we ignore at our peril. If we blame the wrong culprits, we'll learn the wrong lessons. And taxpayers will be on the hook for even larger bailouts down the road.

But the government-can-do-no-wrong crowd just doesn't get it. They won't acknowledge the law of unintended consequences from well-meaning, if misguided, acts.

Obama and Democrats on the Hill think even more regulation and more interference in the market will solve the problem their policies helped cause. For now, unarmed by the historic record, conventional wisdom is buying into their blame-business-first rhetoric and bigger-government solutions.

While government arguably has a role in helping low-income folks buy a home, Clinton went overboard by strong-arming lenders with tougher and tougher regulations, which only led to lenders taking on hundreds of billions in subprime bilge.

Market failure? Hardly. Once again, this crisis has government's fingerprints all over it.

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« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2009, 10:08:34 AM »
Under pressure from Washington, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac agreed to begin purchasing mortgages under new, looser guidelines. Freddie Mac, for instance, made 28 changes to its underwriting standards, including approving low-income buyers without credit histories or with bad credit as long as they were current on rent and utilities payments--even though research had concluded that such buyers are more likely to default. Freddie Mac also said it would count income from seasonal jobs and public assistance toward income minimums, although such income (particularly seasonal work) was by definition not steady.

The giant agencies began several experimental lending programs based on watered-down standards. Freddie Mac began a program with Sears Mortgage Corporation to make mortgages to borrowers with an income-to-monthly payment ratio of 50 percent, at a time when most private mortgage companies aimed for a 28-to-33 percent ratio. The program also allowed borrowers with bad credit to win mortgage approval if they took credit counseling classes administered by local nonprofits like ACORN, although research would show that credit counseling classes have little impact on default rates.

These efforts gained the endorsement of some of our most authoritative federal institutions. Shortly after producing a controversial study in 1992 which asserted there was some evidence that lenders were intentionally avoiding minority neighborhoods, the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston produced a “guide” to equal opportunity lending in which it told mortgage makers that conventional underwriting standards were “unintentionally biased” because they didn’t take into account “the economic culture of urban, lower-income and nontraditional customers.” Among other things, the Boston Fed told lenders they should consider junking the industry's traditional “obligation ratios,” including the 28 percent income-to-payments ratio. The Fed noted in its guide that the “secondary market,” that is, those that purchased mortgages from banks, was willing to buy loans with higher ratios, thereby implying that others thought these loans a good bet, too. But at this point the secondary market for such loans consisted of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which had both been cajoled into buying them by Washington.

Under pressure, these institutions accepted these new standards even though there were plenty of early warning signs as well as several decades worth of research which suggested that when banks departed too far from traditional underwriting criteria delinquencies and foreclosures rose sharply. For instance, a minority loan program put together by banks in Atlanta after a newspaper series accused local financial institutions of redlining quickly ran into predictable trouble. The program allowed loans with payments that were up to 50 percent of an applicant’s monthly income, and within a year, 10 percent of the loans were delinquent. Even worse, those who took out the loans fell deeper into other kinds of debt, defaulted on credit card payments and had goods they’d purchased on credit repossessed.

Meanwhile, a Freddie Mac program called Affordable Gold, which purchased loans from banks under looser underwriting standards, including loans which allowed a borrower to make a down payment with funds contributed from a third party like a government assistance program or a nonprofit, showed sharply higher default rates, up to four times higher than traditional underwriting standards.

Despite such evidence, over time these programs moved from the experimental stage to a large part of the marketplace because politicians in both parties made expanding the number of home owners in America a high priority, and the only way to keep doing that was to lend to people with increasingly riskier credit. Fannie Mae announced a $1 trillion commitment to purchase affordable housing loans in 1992, then in 1999 under pressure from the Clinton administration announced a new program to buy loans made to “borrowers with slightly impaired credit.” In 2005 Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac committed to another $1 trillion in affordable housing lending.

And as their loan pools grew, their credit standards deteriorated. In a recent Forbes article Peter Wallison of the American Enterprise Institute and Edward Pinto, former chief credit officer of Fannie Mae, point out that by 2001, 18 percent of Fannie Mae’s portfolio consisted of loans to people with credit scores below 680—the traditional definition of a loan to someone with riskier credit, who is also someone more likely to default.
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« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2009, 10:08:44 AM »
Your a liar!!The community reinvestment act,which was TOTALLY a democrat law was pushed by Clinton.The democrats LOVE THE POOR.So,the Clinton administration,led by bull dyke Janet Reno,DID pressure banks to give loans to people that could not possibly pay back the loans.All in the name of fairness.Get your facts straight.

Now,Obama is going after the one thing good in the economy,energy costs.There goal is to DESTROY the nation so everyone depends on the filthy government!!!

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« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2009, 10:11:08 AM »
he Clinton administration has turned the Community Reinvestment Act, a once-obscure and lightly enforced banking regulation law, into one of the most powerful mandates shaping American cities—and, as Senate Banking Committee chairman Phil Gramm memorably put it, a vast extortion scheme against the nation's banks. Under its provisions, U.S. banks have committed nearly $1 trillion for inner-city and low-income mortgages and real estate development projects, most of it funneled through a nationwide network of left-wing community groups, intent, in some cases, on teaching their low-income clients that the financial system is their enemy and, implicitly, that government, rather than their own striving, is the key to their well-being.

The CRA's premise sounds unassailable: helping the poor buy and keep homes will stabilize and rebuild city neighborhoods. As enforced today, though, the law portends just the opposite, threatening to undermine the efforts of the upwardly mobile poor by saddling them with neighbors more than usually likely to depress property values by not maintaining their homes adequately or by losing them to foreclosure. The CRA's logic also helps to ensure that inner-city neighborhoods stay poor by discouraging the kinds of investment that might make them better off.

The Act, which Jimmy Carter signed in 1977, grew out of the complaint that urban banks were "redlining" inner-city neighborhoods, refusing to lend to their residents while using their deposits to finance suburban expansion. CRA decreed that banks have "an affirmative obligation" to meet the credit needs of the communities in which they are chartered, and that federal banking regulators should assess how well they do that when considering their requests to merge or to open branches. Implicit in the bill's rationale was a belief that CRA was needed to counter racial discrimination in lending, an assumption that later seemed to gain support from a widely publicized 1990 Federal Reserve Bank of Boston finding that blacks and Hispanics suffered higher mortgage-denial rates than whites, even at similar income levels.

In addition, the Act's backers claimed, CRA would be profitable for banks. They just needed a push from the law to learn how to identify profitable inner-city lending opportunities. Going one step further, the Treasury Department recently asserted that banks that do figure out ways to reach inner-city borrowers might not be able to stop competitors from using similar methods—and therefore would not undertake such marketing in the first place without a push from Washington.

None of these justifications holds up, however, because of the changes that reshaped America's banking industry in the 1990s. Banking in the 1970s, when CRA was passed, was a highly regulated industry in which small, local savings banks, rather than commercial banks, provided most home mortgages. Regulation prohibited savings banks from branching across state lines and sometimes even limited branching within states, inhibiting competition, the most powerful defense against discrimination. With such regulatory protection, savings banks could make a comfortable profit without doing the hard work of finding out which inner-city neighborhoods and borrowers were good risks and which were not. Savings banks also had reason to worry that if they charged inner-city borrowers a higher rate of interest to balance the additional risk of such lending, they might jeopardize the protection from competition they enjoyed. Thanks to these artificially created conditions, some redlining of creditworthy borrowers doubtless occurred.

The insular world of the savings banks collapsed in the early nineties, however, the moment it was exposed to competition. Banking today is a far more wide-open industry, with banks offering mortgages through the Internet, where they compete hotly with aggressive online mortgage companies. Standardized, computer-based scoring systems now rate the creditworthiness of applicants, and the giant, government-chartered Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have helped create huge pools of credit by purchasing mortgage loans and packaging large numbers of them together into securities for sale to bond buyers. With such intense competition for profits and so much money available to lend, it's hard to imagine that banks couldn't instantly figure out how to market to minorities or would resist such efforts for fear of inspiring imitators. Nor has the race discrimination argument for CRA held up. A September 1999 study by Freddie Mac, for instance, confirmed what previous Federal Reserve and Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation studies had found: that African-Americans have disproportionate levels of credit problems, which explains why they have a harder time qualifying for mortgage money. As Freddie Mac found, blacks with incomes of $65,000 to $75,000 a year have on average worse credit records than whites making under $25,000.

The Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas had it right when it said—in a paper pointedly entitled "Red Lining or Red Herring?"—"the CRA may not be needed in today's financial environment to ensure all segments of our economy enjoy access to credit." True, some households—those with a history of credit problems, for instance, or those buying homes in neighborhoods where re-selling them might be difficult—may not qualify for loans at all, and some may have to pay higher interest rates, in reflection of higher risk. But higher rates in such situations are balanced by lower house prices. This is not a conspiracy against the poor; it's how markets measure risk and work to make credit available.

Nevertheless, until recently, the CRA didn't matter all that much. During the seventies and eighties, CRA enforcement was perfunctory. Regulators asked banks to demonstrate that they were trying to reach their entire "assessment area" by advertising in minority-oriented newspapers or by sending their executives to serve on the boards of local community groups. The Clinton administration changed this state of affairs dramatically. Ignoring the sweeping transformation of the banking industry since the CRA was passed, the Clinton Treasury Department's 1995 regulations made getting a satisfactory CRA rating much harder. The new regulations de-emphasized subjective assessment measures in favor of strictly numerical ones. Bank examiners would use federal home-loan data, broken down by neighborhood, income group, and race, to rate banks on performance. There would be no more A's for effort. Only results—specific loans, specific levels of service—would count. Where and to whom have home loans been made? Have banks invested in all neighborhoods within their assessment area? Do they operate branches in those neighborhoods?

Crucially, the new CRA regulations also instructed bank examiners to take into account how well banks responded to complaints. The old CRA evaluation process had allowed advocacy groups a chance to express their views on individual banks, and publicly available data on the lending patterns of individual banks allowed activist groups to target institutions considered vulnerable to protest. But for advocacy groups that were in the complaint business, the Clinton administration regulations offered a formal invitation. The National Community Reinvestment Coalition—a foundation-funded umbrella group for community activist groups that profit from the CRA—issued a clarion call to its members in a leaflet entitled "The New CRA Regulations: How Community Groups Can Get Involved." "Timely comments," the NCRC observed with a certain understatement, "can have a strong influence on a bank's CRA rating."

The Clinton administration's get-tough regulatory regime mattered so crucially because bank deregulation had set off a wave of mega-mergers, including the acquisition of the Bank of America by NationsBank, BankBoston by Fleet Financial, and Bankers Trust by Deutsche Bank. Regulatory approval of such mergers depended, in part, on positive CRA ratings. "To avoid the possibility of a denied or delayed application," advises the NCRC in its deadpan tone, "lending institutions have an incentive to make formal agreements with community organizations." By intervening—even just threatening to intervene—in the CRA review process, left-wing nonprofit groups have been able to gain control over eye-popping pools of bank capital, which they in turn parcel out to individual low-income mortgage seekers. A radical group called ACORN Housing has a $760 million commitment from the Bank of New York; the Boston-based Neighborhood Assistance Corporation of America has a $3-billion agreement with the Bank of America; a coalition of groups headed by New Jersey Citizen Action has a five-year, $13-billion agreement with First Union Corporation. Similar deals operate in almost every major U.S. city. Observes Tom Callahan, executive director of the Massachusetts Affordable Housing Alliance, which has $220 million in bank mortgage money to parcel out, "CRA is the backbone of everything we do."

In addition to providing the nonprofits with mortgage money to disburse, CRA allows those organizations to collect a fee from the banks for their services in marketing the loans. The Senate Banking Committee has estimated that, as a result of CRA, $9.5 billion so far has gone to pay for services and salaries of the nonprofit groups involved. To deal with such groups and to produce CRA compliance data for regulators, banks routinely establish separate CRA departments. A CRA consultant industry has sprung up to assist them. New financial-services firms offer to help banks that think they have a CRA problem make quick "investments" in packaged portfolios of CRA loans to get into compliance
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« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2009, 10:12:40 AM »
The Clinton-Bush cabal was a disaster.  

GWB was a fiscal spendthrift.  

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« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2009, 10:13:16 AM »
SAMSON!!!!!!!!!!!!...I could go on forever. Ur wrong, u have no idea what ur talking about, and wishing this away doesn't make it any less the fault of Clinton or the Dems. We deal in facts, names, dates etc...not ur bullshit.
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« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2009, 10:14:36 AM »
Your a liar!!The community reinvestment act,which was TOTALLY a democrat law was pushed by Clinton.The democrats LOVE THE POOR.So,the Clinton administration,led by bull dyke Janet Reno,DID pressure banks to give loans to people that could not possibly pay back the loans.All in the name of fairness.Get your facts straight.

Now,Obama is going after the one thing good in the economy,energy costs.There goal is to DESTROY the nation so everyone depends on the filthy government!!!

I am convinced 100% that Obama is a communist at heart and wants to destroy capitilism for good.

1.  Spending us into Debt Slavery
2.  Cap & Trade
3.  Card Check
4.  AWB
5.  Increased taxes

What a disaster.

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« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2009, 10:42:59 AM »
How dare u quote facts..liberal douchebags do not work well with facts. They feel that GWB was bad, while Obama and his sunny bullshit are good.

Dude you don't try to join in on the parade.  You're a joke.  You're as brainwashed as the liberals you despise, you're just the other side of the corrupt coin we call American politics.  Except the corrupt politicans are the ones signing your checks.  Lackey! 

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« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2009, 10:44:46 AM »
I am convinced 100% that Obama is a communist at heart and wants to destroy capitilism for good.

1.  Spending us into Debt Slavery
2.  Cap & Trade
3.  Card Check
4.  AWB
5.  Increased taxes

What a disaster.

Obama is not a communist.  He's a national socialist.  Our country is fascist.  Not communist.  Big difference.