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Re: Do you guys believe in Karma?
« Reply #100 on: March 07, 2009, 09:10:22 AM »
One guy i know married this girl.
He flew to her hometown
bought wine and beer to the whole neighbourhood.
Some of them called him a cheap bastard for
only buying 4000 bottles cursing him behind his back.

I figure the same thing or even worse
would happen here on GB.


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Re: Do you guys believe in Karma?
« Reply #101 on: March 07, 2009, 09:12:22 AM »
One guy i know married this girl.
He flew to her hometown
bought wine and beer to the whole neighbourhood.
Some of them called him a cheap bastard for
only buying 4000 bottles cursing him behind his back.

I figure the same thing or even worse
would happen here on GB.


you sound a little bitter "@Brandon", did a typhoon hit your private tropical island?

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Re: Do you guys believe in Karma?
« Reply #102 on: March 07, 2009, 09:19:41 AM »
Yes I think I am, I need to work on that as well.

About the special forces, it really no big deal.

It is quite easy to get in.

You need to have a decent physique with good cardio to
beat the test.

Then know what to say to the Psychologist to make him/her pleased.

It is quite a boring job most of the time btw, I would not recommend it.


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Re: Do you guys believe in Karma?
« Reply #103 on: March 07, 2009, 09:21:02 AM »
Yes I think I am, I need to work on that as well.

About the special forces, it really no big deal.

It is quite easy to get in.

You need to have a decent physique with good cardio to
beat the test.

Then know what to say to the Psychologist to make him/her pleased.

It is quite a boring job most of the time btw, I would not recommend it.


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Re: Do you guys believe in Karma?
« Reply #104 on: March 07, 2009, 09:33:51 AM »

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Re: Do you guys believe in Karma?
« Reply #105 on: March 07, 2009, 12:35:41 PM »
Good shit!!  :)

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Re: Do you guys believe in Karma?
« Reply #106 on: March 07, 2009, 12:37:34 PM »
Yes I think I am, I need to work on that as well.

About the special forces, it really no big deal.

It is quite easy to get in.

You need to have a decent physique with good cardio to
beat the test.

Then know what to say to the Psychologist to make him/her pleased.

It is quite a boring job most of the time btw, I would not recommend it.



haha, oh brother.  Yes, they put you thru the mandatories at the MEPS station.....hahaha idiot.

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Re: Do you guys believe in Karma?
« Reply #107 on: March 07, 2009, 01:05:03 PM »
I`m the poster boy for "what goes around,comes around".............we definately reap what we sow IMO.

Instant karma gonna` get you! :)

Yeah that is true, but it is just you reap what you sew, not Karma, what you do comes back to you eventually obviously.

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Re: Do you guys believe in Karma?
« Reply #108 on: March 07, 2009, 03:55:13 PM »
i do not need to 'prove' the laws of physics. force is force is applies to everything not just particle physics i.e. planets, stars, cars, muscles, and thoughts. To claim otherwise its stupid.

Science does back emotions and feelings being a force also. Subtle but a force nontheless.

Every single thought you have has a frequency, your brain transmits a frequency every single time you think of anything. These frequencies are no different from radio frequencies, microwave frequencies etc etc  do you disagree these frequencies have 'no effect' ? you can cook food with microwave frequencies, they can cause mutations in dna, etc etc.

thoughts have been shown by science to influence random event generators - yes make no mistake your thoughts can and do have an effect.

Ok great, we can agree that basic physics works like Newton predicted. The energy released from the explosion that pushes away the bullet from the barrel kicks back the rifle. When you punch a wall it hurts because the wall transmits the energy back into your fist etc.

But a human emotion or interaction is highly subjective and comes from random patterns of energy in your brain. The energy movement in the brain is indeed a force but being "angry", "happy" or even "batshit crazy" is NOT. What we call emotions are subjectively interpreted patterns of multiple factors. It is not a force in the same sense a bullet is which can be attributed to simple physics but rather only a "force" of human interaction.

You see, human emotions and interactions are not in any way an absolute by which law of physics work with. EVERY human emotion or action is highly subjective and exists only as random patterns of electromagnetic activity in your brain. The "force" you might call "happiness" can very well be interpreted by a dog as "stressed" or "confused". See what I mean about human emotions being subjective? How do you expect anyone to believe that they are absolutes? Even if they were absolutes then why does the universal order/"karma" feel the need to balance them out in a highly unpredictable fashion?

How do you plan to explain that your friend "karma" knows what the hell human emotions are and in what context they exist in?

Ok that's that.

You claim that human emotions and interactions are objects of force in a Newtonian sense. Now please explain exactly what "karma" is, how it operates (by which criteria does it judge? Middle Eastern? Medieval?) and prove the existence of it. While you're at it, provide us with evidence that reincarnation does in fact happen.

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now if we can agree that thoughts/emotions are a force like any other. How can karma not be ? why is it the exception? in my opinion it is not.

If you bothered to read what I wrote just now you'll see why this logic fails.

Oh and I didn't see any counterargument for this:
(It pretty much debunks the need for any god or karma)
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That is fundamental creationist talk. Ever heard of this thing called evolution? Since we live in flocks and depend on each other we are required to behave and not murder one and another in order to survive. Those who are not dependent on the flocks of their own species, like reptile snakes for example, they eat each other up without worry. Our systems of law and punishment comes from our own evolutionary desire to stay together and not hurt other individuals in the same group.
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Re: Do you guys believe in Karma?
« Reply #109 on: March 07, 2009, 05:49:15 PM »
I definitely believe in karma.
found atm  card in machine, gave it into bank.
lost my atm card in store.  Came back 3 days later, it was turned in by a customer.

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Re: Do you guys believe in Karma?
« Reply #110 on: March 07, 2009, 05:51:27 PM »
I definitely believe in karma.
found atm  card in machine, gave it into bank.
lost my atm card in store.  Came back 3 days later, it was turned in by a customer.

Sandra

Can not possibly be in any way a coincidence or just sheer luck? No it has to be a supernatural force of some sort.

Gosh people are naive and stupid.
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Re: Do you guys believe in Karma?
« Reply #111 on: March 07, 2009, 06:36:37 PM »
Man stfu



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Re: Do you guys believe in Karma?
« Reply #112 on: March 08, 2009, 08:38:48 AM »
Ok great, we can agree that basic physics works like Newton predicted. The energy released from the explosion that pushes away the bullet from the barrel kicks back the rifle. When you punch a wall it hurts because the wall transmits the energy back into your fist etc.

But a human emotion or interaction is highly subjective and comes from random patterns of energy in your brain. The energy movement in the brain is indeed a force but being "angry", "happy" or even "batshit crazy" is NOT. What we call emotions are subjectively interpreted patterns of multiple factors. It is not a force in the same sense a bullet is which can be attributed to simple physics but rather only a "force" of human interaction.

You see, human emotions and interactions are not in any way an absolute by which law of physics work with. EVERY human emotion or action is highly subjective and exists only as random patterns of electromagnetic activity in your brain. The "force" you might call "happiness" can very well be interpreted by a dog as "stressed" or "confused". See what I mean about human emotions being subjective? How do you expect anyone to believe that they are absolutes? Even if they were absolutes then why does the universal order/"karma" feel the need to balance them out in a highly unpredictable fashion?

How do you plan to explain that your friend "karma" knows what the hell human emotions are and in what context they exist in?

Ok that's that.

You claim that human emotions and interactions are objects of force in a Newtonian sense. Now please explain exactly what "karma" is, how it operates (by which criteria does it judge? Middle Eastern? Medieval?) and prove the existence of it. While you're at it, provide us with evidence that reincarnation does in fact happen.

If you bothered to read what I wrote just now you'll see why this logic fails.

Oh and I didn't see any counterargument for this:
(It pretty much debunks the need for any god or karma)

hmmm i don't know why i'm bothering with you.

you claimed thoughts and emotions are not a measurable force - i showed you they are as they can effect a random event generator. They also effect living organisms - read he book the life of plants where studie have shown that negative emotions directed at plants and fruit make them rot/wither quicker etc, while positive emotions have the opposite effect.

Humans are effected in a similar way. As stress has health consequences etc. If someone is mean to you or insults you it can annoy and bother you. Some people who have a shity day at work can take it out on other people. Karma in effect someone is mean to you, that is passed on sooner or later to someone else, which then is transfered to another, etc etc till it reaches the person who started it.

You argue that a dog cannot tell  if we are happy or sad ??? lets be clear - thoughts and emotions are not random events with humans having no control over them like you claim. We are in command of our thoughts and emotions. Also anger, love, etc alL give off a specific frequency, not a randomly changing one. Also if you are mean to a dog for years, chances are it will become vicious and dangerous.

karma does not know what emotions are, its simply a force that is always trying to balance positive and negative forces out.

regarding reincarnation, there is losts of reports that can not be explained but i cannot prove with science that it exists or not, the same way you cannot disprove if it exists of not.

your claims about human evolution is nonsensicle. And one i can easily counter with the fact that ina hunter gatherer setting more humans living togerther = more food needed, which in a hunter gatherer setting = conflict and death.

this is an argument neither can win, you cannot disprove karma, and although i can explain karma as a force like any other, you will not accept anything i nor any other will say.
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Re: Do you guys believe in Karma?
« Reply #113 on: March 08, 2009, 08:42:12 AM »
This thread is like sleep depravation....

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Re: Do you guys believe in Karma?
« Reply #114 on: March 08, 2009, 08:49:18 AM »
This thread is like sleep depravation....

thats negative karma in action  ;D
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Re: Do you guys believe in Karma?
« Reply #115 on: March 08, 2009, 08:50:59 AM »
thats negative karma in action  ;D

So if I read this entire thread, as painful as it is, will that enhance my positive karma?  ;D

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Re: Do you guys believe in Karma?
« Reply #116 on: March 08, 2009, 02:25:53 PM »
hmmm i don't know why i'm bothering with you.

you claimed thoughts and emotions are not a measurable force - i showed you they are as they can effect a random event generator. They also effect living organisms - read he book the life of plants where studie have shown that negative emotions directed at plants and fruit make them rot/wither quicker etc, while positive emotions have the opposite effect.

Humans are effected in a similar way. As stress has health consequences etc. If someone is mean to you or insults you it can annoy and bother you. Some people who have a shity day at work can take it out on other people. Karma in effect someone is mean to you, that is passed on sooner or later to someone else, which then is transfered to another, etc etc till it reaches the person who started it.

You argue that a dog cannot tell  if we are happy or sad ??? lets be clear - thoughts and emotions are not random events with humans having no control over them like you claim. We are in command of our thoughts and emotions. Also anger, love, etc alL give off a specific frequency, not a randomly changing one. Also if you are mean to a dog for years, chances are it will become vicious and dangerous.

karma does not know what emotions are, its simply a force that is always trying to balance positive and negative forces out.

regarding reincarnation, there is losts of reports that can not be explained but i cannot prove with science that it exists or not, the same way you cannot disprove if it exists of not.

your claims about human evolution is nonsensicle. And one i can easily counter with the fact that ina hunter gatherer setting more humans living togerther = more food needed, which in a hunter gatherer setting = conflict and death.

this is an argument neither can win, you cannot disprove karma, and although i can explain karma as a force like any other, you will not accept anything i nor any other will say.

Ok, we're just running around in circles about this emotion force thing. Perhaps I'm explaining it wrong or someone here is seriously retarded.

Usually when my ex girlfriend had moments of manic depression where she could throw hissy fits I calmed her down and did not fire back at her. Sometimes I just ignored her until she was calm enough to talk with me. Where was her karma? According to your theory we're dealing with law of physics here, there can not be an exception. She was mentally unstable and mad and in the end both of us usually ended up spending a nice evening together even though she stirred up mad shit. There was a whole lotta "force" from her side but practically none from mine, there should have been a huge imbalance according to you.  "Karma" did not bite her in the ass directly or as a chain of events, not the nanosecond after she got angry or even two days after. I can come up with hundreds of more scenarios where your theory falls flat.

What you're describing is simple communication between human beings. Since we're flock animals we depend on each other and if someone is in a state of distress the rest of group need to know. Therefore facial expressions and different sounds evolved as a tool to communicate. Our ability to speak and form languages is thought to be a bit of a mishap though, scientists are pretty sure they've now found the gene that mutated enabling us to speak and separate ourselves from the rest of the animal kingdom.
Our emotions and expressions are not a force in the same sense a traveling bullet is, they are complicated patterns of messages and interpretations. An emotion is NOT an emotion until it is interpreted by the messenger or the receiver. I highly doubt a plant can interpret a human emotion, actually it was tested by Mythbusters and they said "Busted!".

And of course I know dogs can identify happiness or anger. But it is always not the case and how humans and dogs communicate those feelings are sometimes very different, at least for the dog. Do you have any idea how many times dogs have misinterpreted a human smile for aggression? Happens all the time. And dogs have at least 10,000x the ability of a plant to interpret human emotions and they still get it wrong a big % of the time. As said, human emotions are not absolutes and can not be compared to simple Newtonian physics. Same thing with morse code, those beeps means shit until anyone interprets them.

Does a bullet heading from the barrel towards your skull in 600mph need an interpretation in order to make an impact? No.
Does an emotion being sent by my vocal cords and facial expressions need an interpretation in order to make an impact? Yes. Otherwise they would just be seemingly random patterns of energy waves just floating by without anyone giving a shit.

You do realize that the terms "positive" and "negative" in no matter what language or math are made up by humans? They are only means to interpret/explain forces, not something the "universal order" works by.

But really, you should submit some of your articles to NewSciene, seems like you've come up with some groundbreaking stuff. I bet Stephen Hawking would interested in this "karma" thing. Maybe karma is the explanation for dark matter?
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Re: Do you guys believe in Karma?
« Reply #117 on: March 08, 2009, 04:34:07 PM »
Ok, we're just running around in circles about this emotion force thing. Perhaps I'm explaining it wrong or someone here is seriously retarded.

Usually when my ex girlfriend had moments of manic depression where she could throw hissy fits I calmed her down and did not fire back at her. Sometimes I just ignored her until she was calm enough to talk with me. Where was her karma? According to your theory we're dealing with law of physics here, there can not be an exception. She was mentally unstable and mad and in the end both of us usually ended up spending a nice evening together even though she stirred up mad shit. There was a whole lotta "force" from her side but practically none from mine, there should have been a huge imbalance according to you.  "Karma" did not bite her in the ass directly or as a chain of events, not the nanosecond after she got angry or even two days after. I can come up with hundreds of more scenarios where your theory falls flat.

What you're describing is simple communication between human beings. Since we're flock animals we depend on each other and if someone is in a state of distress the rest of group need to know. Therefore facial expressions and different sounds evolved as a tool to communicate. Our ability to speak and form languages is thought to be a bit of a mishap though, scientists are pretty sure they've now found the gene that mutated enabling us to speak and separate ourselves from the rest of the animal kingdom.
Our emotions and expressions are not a force in the same sense a traveling bullet is, they are complicated patterns of messages and interpretations. An emotion is NOT an emotion until it is interpreted by the messenger or the receiver. I highly doubt a plant can interpret a human emotion, actually it was tested by Mythbusters and they said "Busted!".

And of course I know dogs can identify happiness or anger. But it is always not the case and how humans and dogs communicate those feelings are sometimes very different, at least for the dog. Do you have any idea how many times dogs have misinterpreted a human smile for aggression? Happens all the time. And dogs have at least 10,000x the ability of a plant to interpret human emotions and they still get it wrong a big % of the time. As said, human emotions are not absolutes and can not be compared to simple Newtonian physics. Same thing with morse code, those beeps means shit until anyone interprets them.

Does a bullet heading from the barrel towards your skull in 600mph need an interpretation in order to make an impact? No.
Does an emotion being sent by my vocal cords and facial expressions need an interpretation in order to make an impact? Yes. Otherwise they would just be seemingly random patterns of energy waves just floating by without anyone giving a shit.

You do realize that the terms "positive" and "negative" in no matter what language or math are made up by humans? They are only means to interpret/explain forces, not something the "universal order" works by.

But really, you should submit some of your articles to NewSciene, seems like you've come up with some groundbreaking stuff. I bet Stephen Hawking would interested in this "karma" thing. Maybe karma is the explanation for dark matter?

hahahahahahaha well if mythbusters has 'busted' it who am i or billions of hindu's and buddists to disagree  ::)

your logic defies belief. if your girlfriend is attacking you with waves of negative emotion and you do not react, then you are building your own positive karma, while she is building negative karma that she will have to repay somewhere somehow. perhas you might lose your temper with her 1 time in your perfect life and shout at her for something ? or maybe her boss will shout at her for something, or someone else. either way she will repay that karmic debt somehow.

and you are wrong an emotion or freqency does not have to be interpreted to have an effect. as i stated about the plants and fruit - they do not know you are shouting abuse at them, they just absorb negative energy, and are effected. humans don't speak 'dog' yet a dog knows by your tone or 'frequency' perhaps that you are emitting negative frequencies toward him.


regarding humans inventing the terms 'positive' and 'negative' - your point ? you can call it what you like the 'bad' 'good' 'light' 'dark' whatever the end result is the same - they are a forces, karma is a force and you nor 'mythbusters' will change my mind.

So your argument is BUSTED !  ;D
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Re: Do you guys believe in Karma?
« Reply #118 on: March 08, 2009, 04:45:14 PM »
hahahahahahaha well if mythbusters has 'busted' it who am i or billions of hindu's and buddists to disagree  ::)

your logic defies belief. if your girlfriend is attacking you with waves of negative emotion and you do not react, then you are building your own positive karma, while she is building negative karma that she will have to repay somewhere somehow. perhas you might lose your temper with her 1 time in your perfect life and shout at her for something ? or maybe her boss will shout at her for something, or someone else. either way she will repay that karmic debt somehow.

and you are wrong an emotion or freqency does not have to be interpreted to have an effect. as i stated about the plants and fruit - they do not know you are shouting abuse at them, they just absorb negative energy, and are effected. humans don't speak 'dog' yet a dog knows by your tone or 'frequency' perhaps that you are emitting negative frequencies toward him.


regarding humans inventing the terms 'positive' and 'negative' - your point ? you can call it what you like the 'bad' 'good' 'light' 'dark' whatever the end result is the same - they are a forces, karma is a force and you nor 'mythbusters' will change my mind.

So your argument is BUSTED !  ;D


Hahahahahahaaaaaa oh man.

I had a bit of hope for you. I thought you were at least the slightest bit serious about the scientific aspect of this. But no.

You're just another one of those new-age clowns. All you're saying is that there is magic positive and negative energy because buddhists and hindus thinks so. Wow I wasted so much time writing all this. Even if you're stubborn about your opinion usually you learn something from debates.

I've learned nothing from you, you're just another new-age wacko. If you ever visit a theoretical physicist (that has a degree from a proper university) and present your case to him/her I'll pay you 100$ if you bring a videocam and record the reaction. I'm serious. The laughs I'll get will be worth the 100$.

I know I've bashed you before for being fat and disgusting but I at least gave you a chance this time. Now you're dumber than box of rocks as well.
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Re: Do you guys believe in Karma?
« Reply #119 on: March 09, 2009, 04:03:44 AM »

Hahahahahahaaaaaa oh man.

I had a bit of hope for you. I thought you were at least the slightest bit serious about the scientific aspect of this. But no.

You're just another one of those new-age clowns. All you're saying is that there is magic positive and negative energy because buddhists and hindus thinks so. Wow I wasted so much time writing all this. Even if you're stubborn about your opinion usually you learn something from debates.

I've learned nothing from you, you're just another new-age wacko. If you ever visit a theoretical physicist (that has a degree from a proper university) and present your case to him/her I'll pay you 100$ if you bring a videocam and record the reaction. I'm serious. The laughs I'll get will be worth the 100$.

I know I've bashed you before for being fat and disgusting but I at least gave you a chance this time. Now you're dumber than box of rocks as well.

hahahaha i'm sorry if i can't match up to the high scientific standards set by 'mythbusters'  ::)

i have came across your type on getbig before. you have a belief and no matter what evidence it placed in front of you you will not accept it.

although i am willing to accept my explanation of karma is not doing it justice, considering there have been entire books written on the subject, by smarter men and women than me. However you have not even read what i have said, or if you have you are happy to ignore my points.

for example you fist discounted thoughts and emotions as a force - when i gave you evidence of this, you then changed the argument  ::)

also if you ask any physicist about the law of karma and ask him if it applies to newtons third law, he will say it is 100%.
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Re: Do you guys believe in Karma?
« Reply #120 on: March 12, 2009, 03:35:35 PM »
I was nice to people all day again yesterday, just like everyday and wouldn't you know it, I won 100 bucks at Keno last night. Karmas great!
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Re: Do you guys believe in Karma?
« Reply #121 on: March 12, 2009, 04:42:02 PM »
I was nice to people all day again yesterday, just like everyday and wouldn't you know it, I won 100 bucks at Keno last night. Karmas great!

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i got a new job today. i love karma and karma loves me.  :)
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« Reply #122 on: March 12, 2009, 04:44:05 PM »
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i got a new job today. i love karma and karma loves me.  :)

Congratulations :)
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Re: Do you guys believe in Karma?
« Reply #123 on: March 12, 2009, 04:44:50 PM »
Congratulations :)
thanks  :)

congrats on your win.
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Re: Do you guys believe in Karma?
« Reply #124 on: March 12, 2009, 08:01:34 PM »
I belive in metempsychosis