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Question for Replublicans...
« on: March 07, 2009, 11:26:32 PM »
It seems to me the Republicans only answer to everything is "lower taxes for the rich"... We did that the past 8 years and look where it got us?  I am in the upper tax bracket, and my taxes will go from 35 to 39.6 percent...  Honestly, it isnt going to effect my life in the slightest... nor will it effect anyone else in the top 5 percent.... So my question is, how many companies used the bush tax cuts to reinvest in their companies to hire more Americans?  Please name me 1... They gave out million dollar bonuses and shipped the jobs overseas and got more of a tax cut shipping jobs overseas...  So please Republicans, explain to me how this makes any sense...

Also, im getting really sick and tired of hearing Fox News anchors bitch about "paying my neighbors payments because they were irresponsible"  my neighbor and his wife both worked for construction companies their entire lives (foreman and a Architect)... Made a couple hundred grand a year for the past 10 years... they bought a home with in their means... (350k) 2 cars, and putting 1 of their children through college (They have 4 the others are in HS and Middle school)... The past almost 2 years neither of them had a paycheck... their home is getting for closed and these right wing assholes keep ranting and raving how irresponsible they are...  Shit one of my uncles is a mason and hasnt had a job in close to 3 years, he had 20 employees down to not a penny in almost 3 years... many people were not irresponsible, many people just stopped making money and CANT pay their bills...

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Re: Question for Replublicans...
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2009, 08:08:43 AM »
It seems to me the Republicans only answer to everything is "lower taxes for the rich"...

Doesn't seem like that is their only answer to everything to me but you all are more knowledgable in politics than I.

So my question is, how many companies used the bush tax cuts to reinvest in their companies to hire more Americans?  Please name me 1... They gave out million dollar bonuses and shipped the jobs overseas and got more of a tax cut shipping jobs overseas...  So please Republicans, explain to me how this makes any sense...



Are you specifically asking about huge corporations?  Because I would imagine there are thousands of small companies that used the bush tax cuts to reinvest in their companies to grow them and yes, hire more Americans. 


Also, im getting really sick and tired of hearing Fox News anchors bitch about "paying my neighbors payments because they were irresponsible"  my neighbor and his wife both worked for construction companies their entire lives (foreman and a Architect)... Made a couple hundred grand a year for the past 10 years... they bought a home with in their means... (350k) 2 cars, and putting 1 of their children through college (They have 4 the others are in HS and Middle school)... The past almost 2 years neither of them had a paycheck... their home is getting for closed and these right wing assholes keep ranting and raving how irresponsible they are... 

You are right, for some w/o jobs and being foreclosed upon things are beyond their control and it is a shame that some assume that they were intentionally irresponsible.  But some people probably were irresponsible.  It is wrong to lump them all together.

Shit one of my uncles is a mason and hasnt had a job in close to 3 years, he had 20 employees down to not a penny in almost 3 years... many people were not irresponsible, many people just stopped making money and CANT pay their bills...

Are you saying he hasn't gotten a job as a mason in 3 years or that he hasn't been able to find a job at all in 3 years?

I have a friend who has been out of work for a few months and she is having trouble getting anything at all.
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Re: Question for Replublicans...
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2009, 09:47:51 AM »
If you bought a house you could not afford, and possibly leveraged against it, you do not deserve a bail out.  One problem in this country is people living beyond their means and it has hurt us big time.  If you COULD actually afford your house and just fell on bad times that is one thing but people put no money down and bought toys against their house.  I have NO sympathy for those people.
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Re: Question for Replublicans...
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2009, 11:12:47 AM »
It seems to me the Republicans only answer to everything is "lower taxes for the rich"... We did that the past 8 years and look where it got us?  I am in the upper tax bracket, and my taxes will go from 35 to 39.6 percent...  Honestly, it isnt going to effect my life in the slightest... nor will it effect anyone else in the top 5 percent.... So my question is, how many companies used the bush tax cuts to reinvest in their companies to hire more Americans?  Please name me 1... They gave out million dollar bonuses and shipped the jobs overseas and got more of a tax cut shipping jobs overseas...  So please Republicans, explain to me how this makes any sense...

Also, im getting really sick and tired of hearing Fox News anchors bitch about "paying my neighbors payments because they were irresponsible"  my neighbor and his wife both worked for construction companies their entire lives (foreman and a Architect)... Made a couple hundred grand a year for the past 10 years... they bought a home with in their means... (350k) 2 cars, and putting 1 of their children through college (They have 4 the others are in HS and Middle school)... The past almost 2 years neither of them had a paycheck... their home is getting for closed and these right wing assholes keep ranting and raving how irresponsible they are...  Shit one of my uncles is a mason and hasnt had a job in close to 3 years, he had 20 employees down to not a penny in almost 3 years... many people were not irresponsible, many people just stopped making money and CANT pay their bills...

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Re: Question for Replublicans...
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2009, 11:17:31 AM »
It seems to me the Republicans only answer to everything is "lower taxes for the rich"... We did that the past 8 years and look where it got us?  I am in the upper tax bracket, and my taxes will go from 35 to 39.6 percent...  Honestly, it isnt going to effect my life in the slightest... nor will it effect anyone else in the top 5 percent.... So my question is, how many companies used the bush tax cuts to reinvest in their companies to hire more Americans?  Please name me 1... They gave out million dollar bonuses and shipped the jobs overseas and got more of a tax cut shipping jobs overseas...  So please Republicans, explain to me how this makes any sense...

Also, im getting really sick and tired of hearing Fox News anchors bitch about "paying my neighbors payments because they were irresponsible"  my neighbor and his wife both worked for construction companies their entire lives (foreman and a Architect)... Made a couple hundred grand a year for the past 10 years... they bought a home with in their means... (350k) 2 cars, and putting 1 of their children through college (They have 4 the others are in HS and Middle school)... The past almost 2 years neither of them had a paycheck... their home is getting for closed and these right wing assholes keep ranting and raving how irresponsible they are...  Shit one of my uncles is a mason and hasnt had a job in close to 3 years, he had 20 employees down to not a penny in almost 3 years... many people were not irresponsible, many people just stopped making money and CANT pay their bills...

How the fuck can a healthy person be without a job for 3 fucking years?

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Re: Question for Replublicans...
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2009, 11:21:57 AM »
It seems to me the Republicans only answer to everything is "lower taxes for the rich"... We did that the past 8 years and look where it got us?  I am in the upper tax bracket, and my taxes will go from 35 to 39.6 percent...  Honestly, it isnt going to effect my life in the slightest... nor will it effect anyone else in the top 5 percent.... So my question is, how many companies used the bush tax cuts to reinvest in their companies to hire more Americans?  Please name me 1... They gave out million dollar bonuses and shipped the jobs overseas and got more of a tax cut shipping jobs overseas...  So please Republicans, explain to me how this makes any sense...And how is lowering taxes for people paying NO taxes going to do anything?  How is spending money on people who contribute nothing going to stimulate the economy?  If it doesn't affect you then why post about it?  To brag?  That's kinda pathetic on your part dude.  I think people don't want their money invested in people (welfare recipients) who will not bring about a return on the money.  Millionaires invest their money, prop up the economy and also spend a lot of money.  

Also, im getting really sick and tired of hearing Fox News anchors bitch about "paying my neighbors payments because they were irresponsible"  my neighbor and his wife both worked for construction companies their entire lives (foreman and a Architect)... Made a couple hundred grand a year for the past 10 years... they bought a home with in their means... (350k) 2 cars, and putting 1 of their children through college (They have 4 the others are in HS and Middle school)... The past almost 2 years neither of them had a paycheck... their home is getting for closed and these right wing assholes keep ranting and raving how irresponsible they are...  Shit one of my uncles is a mason and hasnt had a job in close to 3 years, he had 20 employees down to not a penny in almost 3 years... many people were not irresponsible, many people just stopped making money and CANT pay their bills...Bottom line, more people simply bought houses they could not afford because Congress said that they belonged in a house (remember Barney Frank) and then leveraged against them.  Deal with the reality.  If you feel bad then donate extra to the deadbeat housing fund.  You cannot compare a dude who was laid off but prior to that made a good down payment and was current on the payments to some ass who put nothing down, bought a car and boat with the equity in his house and THEN realized he could not afford it.  And don't even mention that "they didn't know what they were signing"; they should have asked.
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Re: Question for Replublicans...
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2009, 01:08:12 PM »
Doesn't seem like that is their only answer to everything to me but you all are more knowledgable in politics than I.

Are you specifically asking about huge corporations?  Because I would imagine there are thousands of small companies that used the bush tax cuts to reinvest in their companies to grow them and yes, hire more Americans. 

Getting a 4.9 percent tax break is not going to hire more people... the owners are going to pocket it... Which is their right, but tax breaks do not create jobs, it creates more wealth for the owner

You are right, for some w/o jobs and being foreclosed upon things are beyond their control and it is a shame that some assume that they were intentionally irresponsible.  But some people probably were irresponsible.  It is wrong to lump them all together.

Are you saying he hasn't gotten a job as a mason in 3 years or that he hasn't been able to find a job at all in 3 years?  Yes he lives in South Florida by Fort Myers and has not had a job in close to 3 years... he has 4 kids and if it wasnt for his wife working, they would have lost everything

I have a friend who has been out of work for a few months and she is having trouble getting anything at all.

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Re: Question for Replublicans...
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2009, 01:09:26 PM »
If you bought a house you could not afford, and possibly leveraged against it, you do not deserve a bail out.  One problem in this country is people living beyond their means and it has hurt us big time.  If you COULD actually afford your house and just fell on bad times that is one thing but people put no money down and bought toys against their house.  I have NO sympathy for those people.

Agreed.... I prob know 10 people who are in that boat where they lost their jobs, were making close to 100k if not more, but just cant get another job and cant pay their bills anymore...

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Re: Question for Replublicans...
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2009, 01:12:18 PM »
How the fuck can a healthy person be without a job for 3 fucking years?

My uncle is a Mason... has been since he was 15 years old... Like many in my parents generation they didnt finish High School and went right to work...thats ALL HE KNOWS... for 35 years... I visited there a couple months ago and its a Ghost Town...

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Re: Question for Replublicans...
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2009, 01:22:46 PM »

.And how is lowering taxes for people paying NO taxes going to do anything?  How is spending money on people who contribute nothing going to stimulate the economy?  If it doesn't affect you then why post about it?  To brag?  That's kinda pathetic on your part dude.  I think people don't want their money invested in people (welfare recipients) who will not bring about a return on the money.  Millionaires invest their money, prop up the economy and also spend a lot of money.    OK You my friend are IGNORANT... "lowering taxes on people who dont pay taxes"...  think about that one... really think about it...  Then respond with a coherent response..  lol  It doesnt effect me, but it does effect many people I know... and its poeple like me who say "IL PAY MORE AND NOT BITCH TO HELP OTHERS... thats not BRAGGING... thats not being fucking greedy!! Im sure you or someone you know will be on welfare before long... all these right wingers who were always wanting GOV out of their lives are crying for unemployment now that their job is gone... HYPOCRITES

Bottom line, more people simply bought houses they could not afford because Congress said that they belonged in a house (remember Barney Frank) and then leveraged against them.  Deal with the reality.  If you feel bad then donate extra to the deadbeat housing fund.  You cannot compare a dude who was laid off but prior to that made a good down payment and was current on the payments to some ass who put nothing down, bought a car and boat with the equity in his house and THEN realized he could not afford it.  And don't even mention that "they didn't know what they were signing"; they should have asked.

NO thats not what barney Frank said... thats what FOX NEWS SAID... People got in houses because there was NO REGULATION on lending... Lenders would sell off the mortgages off to other lenders with out them knowing the risk, they would sell it off to another etc.. Eventually someone would get stuck with it and it never should have been lended in the first place!! When did I compare a hard working family to dead beats?  God do you know anything?  You repeat the same Republican talking points that have been proven to be lies and wrong time and time again... I can see conversing with you is like having a conversation with a Dog... You sound like you understand, but you are clueless... You are the face of America.. Ignorant, lacking education and common sense, but keep yapping your dick sucker like you know something....


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Re: Question for Replublicans...
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2009, 01:47:57 PM »
None of which is my fault......u mentioned they have 5 kids and bought a 350K house maybe they should have had less kids and bought a smaller house, again not my place to say, but neither is it my problem.
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Re: Question for Replublicans...
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2009, 04:00:47 PM »

Obama got the poor minority vote by telling them they would pay less taxes when most of them pay pretty much or absolutely no taxes.  That's my point.  It affects us all because we have to foot the bill for people who contribute nothing to society.  Giving handouts to people who have no desire to work and "work" the system is not doing anyone any good.  Handouts make the giver and recipient feel good about themselves in the short term but does not solve the bigger problem.  So, by all means contribute to a system that is broken and feel good, I don't.  Your comment about me being welfare is funny and shows me how much class you truly have, but I can't say it surprises me.  Why don't you tell your uncle and all the people you want to support with handouts to go join the military.  Good life, pay and they will actually be EARNING a living.  I'm sure they won't though, because that requires dedication and hard work.  The same goes for Taco Bell, Del Taco, etc.  People would rather be on welfare or unemployment then work there until they get on their feet.  It is THOSE people I have disgust for and feel are not deserving of my good will or my tax dollars. 

Again, people who fall on hard times due to layoffs are okay in my book but dipshits who simply bought houses they could NEVER afford need to learn a hard lesson; don't spend beyond your means.  That's basic in my book but apparently people just don't get it, and I'm sorry but that should not be my problem.
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Re: Question for Replublicans...
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2009, 06:23:48 PM »
None of which is my fault......u mentioned they have 5 kids and bought a 350K house maybe they should have had less kids and bought a smaller house, again not my place to say, but neither is it my problem.




Thats easy to say for a govt welfarite like you.  Free healthcare and such.....you are a socialist sucker living off our tax dollars.

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« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2009, 08:57:24 PM »
Lowering taxes on business is effective for the economy, it's been proven time and again. Lowering taxes on businesses is not why the economy is in the dumper right now, so you have no argument here. The costs of doing business oversees is vastly less than it is in the states. Far too many taxes on businesses and workers in unions constantly driving their wages up for work not worth the pay. All unions back and funnel money into the democrat party, so who here is really driving business away?Taxing the rich more will not pay for what obama wants to do or spend. The government could tax the rich 100% of their income and it would still not pay for what he wants, the numbers do not add up. Obama will tax everyone till' we bleed, our dollar is due to go down drastically once inflation catches up with the high amount of money printed by the treasury.
   The stimulus plan is not going to work, it will not create jobs. Prove me otherwize.  ;)
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Re: Question for Replublicans...
« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2009, 11:36:10 PM »
Lowering taxes on business is effective for the economy, it's been proven time and again. Lowering taxes on businesses is not why the economy is in the dumper right now, so you have no argument here. The costs of doing business oversees is vastly less than it is in the states. Far too many taxes on businesses and workers in unions constantly driving their wages up for work not worth the pay. All unions back and funnel money into the democrat party, so who here is really driving business away?Taxing the rich more will not pay for what obama wants to do or spend. The government could tax the rich 100% of their income and it would still not pay for what he wants, the numbers do not add up. Obama will tax everyone till' we bleed, our dollar is due to go down drastically once inflation catches up with the high amount of money printed by the treasury.
   The stimulus plan is not going to work, it will not create jobs. Prove me otherwize.  ;)

LOL... You watch Fox news too much... you are not going to pay a penny more than you did last year...  nothing funnier than people who are poor as shit complaining about how much they are going to get taxed cause Boss Limbaugh tells them so... lol

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Re: Question for Replublicans...
« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2009, 11:43:53 PM »
Yes he lives in South Florida by Fort Myers and has not had a job in close to 3 years... he has 4 kids and if it wasnt for his wife working, they would have lost everything

I believe it.  I'm just south of Ft Myers.  it's crazy here.  There aren't all that many jobs.  Tourism and construction dried up, and service economy followed as a result.  There are still some niche markets doing well... but the number of people out of work is staggering.  I have 4 people in family who lost jobs in last year, many more friends, and 3 more whose workplace is closing in the next 2 months. 

If you buy a $X house, you need to realize if you can't guarantee an income that high for the next 30 years (mortgage) then maybe you shouldn't do it.  Sucks, but unless you have tenure or a guaranteed contract, you don't know what markets will dry up.  Five years ago, real estate and construciton were on FIRE down here.  Today, it's pathetic.  NOTHING is getting built, and I mean nothing. 

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Thats easy to say for a govt welfarite like you.  Free healthcare and such.....you are a socialist sucker living off our tax dollars.

Ur continued existance is tied to our continued good will and willingness to serve....short of that ur well and truely fucked. But thanks for paying ur taxes.
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Re: Question for Replublicans...
« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2009, 06:46:02 AM »
Ur continued existance is tied to our continued good will and willingness to serve....short of that ur well and truely fucked. But thanks for paying ur taxes.



Yes,  thank you for occupying other countries, imprisoning and torturing people without cause, and building a hatred for america to the rest of the world.

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Re: Question for Replublicans...
« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2009, 06:59:23 AM »


Yes,  thank you for occupying other countries, imprisoning and torturing people without cause, and building a hatred for america to the rest of the world.

More propaganda from the lunatic left.

You would torture people yourself if you had to save your family.   

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Re: Question for Replublicans...
« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2009, 07:09:33 AM »
Obama will be decreasing the # of people paying taxes in addition to increasing the taxes as you described.  IMO everyone above the poverty line should pay some tax so they have a stake in any gov decision to use taxpayor monies.  That is very important.  I think its near 40% of people that don't pay income tax...why would they care if federal taxes are raised.

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Re: Question for Replublicans...
« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2009, 07:12:15 AM »
Capital gains taxes will be increased so that affects anyone with investments and the vast majority of retirement funds.

The cap and trade will increase energy costs for all Americans.
The administration has also proposed increasing gas taxes and will be increasing taxes of tobacco again.

Additionally, with all of the spending, we will see more taxes coming down the pipe.

Instead of curbing gov spending, Obama has proposed the largest spending in the history of this nation.  I understand some focused gov intervention but not this abuse of taxpayor monies.

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Re: Question for Replublicans...
« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2009, 07:43:43 AM »
Please remember that taxes will be raised on FAMILIES making 250K+.  Thats two professionals.

I'll copy another post for a further responce:

 "Obama has:

• Raised taxes on small businesses, the engines of entrepreneurship and job growth

• Raised the capital gains tax

• Lied about "tax cuts for 95% of Americans", offering instead $13 a week, achieved not through tax cuts, but by changing the federal withholding tables!

• Destroyed charitable giving by axing the tax breaks for 26% of all giving (or $81 billion in 2006)

• Proposed a carbon cap-and-trading scheme designed to punish oil companies and further tax consumers

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/03/obama-administration-announces-they.html

Why would Obama inflict these destructive policies while the economy is collapsing? Simple. Each step strengthens the role of government in people's lives.

• Squelching the stock market kills its attractiveness as a parking lot for private capital. Combined with an increase in the capital gains tax, investors will swarm to bonds -- tax-free vehicles like municipal bonds, which benefit the growth of state and local government. And unions, of course.

• Carbon cap-and-tax will raise taxes on all Americans as the cost of goods and services will increase to address a non-existent threat.
http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=5441

• True tax cuts would grow the economy, which is why, Obama shuns them. The last major recession was Jimmy Carter's malaise. It consisted of of double-digit inflation and unemployment. It was finally licked by across-the-board tax cuts for everyone which touched off a twenty-plus year run of prosperity.

• Charities reduce the role of government assistance for those in need. That, in Obama's world, can not be tolerated. That is why charities must be choked off and allowed to die. Especially faith-based institutions."


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Re: Question for Replublicans...
« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2009, 08:14:21 AM »
Getting a 4.9 percent tax break is not going to hire more people... the owners are going to pocket it...

Definitely not true for everyone.
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Re: Question for Replublicans...
« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2009, 09:27:23 AM »
BTW - Warren Buffet came out against Cap & Trade & Card Check today. 


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Re: Question for Replublicans...
« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2009, 10:58:58 AM »
It seems to me the Republicans only answer to everything is "lower taxes for the rich"... We did that the past 8 years and look where it got us?  I am in the upper tax bracket, and my taxes will go from 35 to 39.6 percent...  Honestly, it isnt going to effect my life in the slightest... nor will it effect anyone else in the top 5 percent.... So my question is, how many companies used the bush tax cuts to reinvest in their companies to hire more Americans?  Please name me 1... They gave out million dollar bonuses and shipped the jobs overseas and got more of a tax cut shipping jobs overseas...  So please Republicans, explain to me how this makes any sense...

Also, im getting really sick and tired of hearing Fox News anchors bitch about "paying my neighbors payments because they were irresponsible"  my neighbor and his wife both worked for construction companies their entire lives (foreman and a Architect)... Made a couple hundred grand a year for the past 10 years... they bought a home with in their means... (350k) 2 cars, and putting 1 of their children through college (They have 4 the others are in HS and Middle school)... The past almost 2 years neither of them had a paycheck... their home is getting for closed and these right wing assholes keep ranting and raving how irresponsible they are...  Shit one of my uncles is a mason and hasnt had a job in close to 3 years, he had 20 employees down to not a penny in almost 3 years... many people were not irresponsible, many people just stopped making money and CANT pay their bills...

perfect example of what you're talking about:  http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2009/news/0903/gallery.living_on_unemployment/index.html