Author Topic: Pros in the Arnold Amateur (Read 3110 times)

timfogarty · « **on:** March 08, 2009, 02:53:51 PM »

Julio Cesar Balestrin competed in the PDI
Alexandre Nataf competed as a pro in WABBA and NABBA
Costantino Galeazzo competed as a pro in NABBA
Lionel Beyeke competed as a pro in NABBA
Michalis Kefalianos competed as a pro in WABBA and PDI
Charles Mario competed as a pro in NABBA
Angel Rangel Vargas competed as a pro in Musclemania
El Shahat Mabrouk competed as a pro in the IFBB (in 1989)

Switznegger · « **Reply #1 on:** March 08, 2009, 03:23:24 PM »

Yes Tim this subject seems to fall on deaf ears.The Greek IFBB Officials would like to know How is Mike Kefa on the IFBB Pro poster in Australia and also why are they giving him his IFBB Pro card???Seems all SamiBlacksmith has to do to get his IFBB Pro card is go to Australia.

Pollux · « **Reply #2 on:** March 08, 2009, 03:29:52 PM »

It's bullshit that they've got 'Pros' in the amateur!

Switznegger · « **Reply #3 on:** March 08, 2009, 03:33:40 PM »

Chick answer this and the Question about Mike Kefa and the Greek IFBB Officials wanting to be PAID $50000 Euro for his IFBB Pro card.As the Athletes Rep you look out for this guy after all he is a Pro he is on the Australian Pro Poster.

timfogarty · « **Reply #4 on:** March 08, 2009, 03:34:14 PM »

Quote from: Pollux on March 08, 2009, 03:29:52 PM

It's bullshit that they've got 'Pros' in the amateur!

Most Arab and SE Asian countries pay their athletes a salary to compete internationally. placing at the IFBB Asian Championships can get you a $100k bonus from your government. How are they not professionals?

Many Latin American contests give the overall winner $500 or $1000 cash. How is that not professional?

Switznegger · « **Reply #5 on:** March 08, 2009, 03:39:17 PM »

Good Questions Chick talk on this and the Corrupt Greek officials hitting up one of your athletes for $50000 for his IFBB Pro card not that it mattered as he just asked Australia and they gave him one.Soon you will be able to get a IFBB Pro card when you spend ten dollars at Wallmart.

Steve Namat · « **Reply #6 on:** March 08, 2009, 03:47:04 PM »

Quote from: timfogarty on March 08, 2009, 02:53:51 PM

Julio Cesar Balestrin competed in the PDI
Alexandre Nataf competed as a pro in WABBA and NABBA
Costantino Galeazzo competed as a pro in NABBA
Lionel Beyeke competed as a pro in NABBA
Michalis Kefalianos competed as a pro in WABBA and PDI
Charles Mario competed as a pro in NABBA
Angel Rangel Vargas competed as a pro in Musclemania
El Shahat Mabrouk competed as a pro in the IFBB (in 1989)

IFBB Pro - If you don't renew your card in one year then you'll be an amateur again and you can compete at amateur shows. But after that I don't know that you can renew the card again...

PDI, NABBA, WABBA Pro - Who cares??? Fake pros...

timfogarty · « **Reply #7 on:** March 08, 2009, 04:09:29 PM »

Quote from: Steve Namat on March 08, 2009, 03:47:04 PM

PDI, NABBA, WABBA Pro - Who cares??? Fake pros...

said like a true company man, of a company that doesn't pay you anything

or to put it another way: how does your winnings as a real pro compare to Sami's as a fake pro?

Switznegger · « **Reply #8 on:** March 08, 2009, 04:10:06 PM »

Quote from: Steve Namat on March 08, 2009, 03:47:04 PM

IFBB Pro - If you don't renew your card in one year then you'll be an amateur again and you can compete at amateur shows. But after that I don't know that you can renew the card again...

PDI, NABBA, WABBA Pro - Who cares??? Fake pros...

Crap Garry Strydon Stepped back on stage as an IFBB Pro and he was BANNED at one time.Think before you speak.As for your statement about other Pros how about the Greek that got his IFBB Pro card Gift from Australia when in Greece they wouldn't give it to him???Now that's a FAKE.

Steve Namat · « **Reply #9 on:** March 08, 2009, 04:15:31 PM »

Quote from: Switznegger on March 08, 2009, 04:10:06 PM

As for your statement about other Pros how about the Greek that got his IFBB Pro card Gift from Australia when in Greece they wouldn't give it to him???Now that's a FAKE.

I don't know the story but the IFBB Professional League give you a pro card so who cares which nation's National Federation manage that petition for you...

timfogarty · « **Reply #10 on:** March 08, 2009, 04:18:37 PM »

Quote from: Switznegger on March 08, 2009, 04:10:06 PM

how about the Greek that got his IFBB Pro card Gift from Australia when in Greece they wouldn't give it to him???Now that's a FAKE.

No it is not fake. It's justice being served. Petty local chairman should not be able to block a qualified athlete from making a living as a pro.

The IFBB Pro League is a for profit business. They should be trying to maximize their profits by getting the best athletes on stage. They and only they should decide who to invite to their contests.

QuakerOats · « **Reply #11 on:** March 08, 2009, 04:19:12 PM »

Quote from: Switznegger on March 08, 2009, 04:10:06 PM

Crap Garry Strydon Stepped back on stage as an IFBB Pro and he was BANNED at one time.Think before you speak.As for your statement about other Pros how about the Greek that got his IFBB Pro card Gift from Australia when in Greece they wouldn't give it to him???Now that's a FAKE.

"Garry Strydon"?

Switznegger · « **Reply #12 on:** March 08, 2009, 04:21:22 PM »

Quote from: Steve Namat on March 08, 2009, 04:15:31 PM

I don't know the story but the IFBB Professional League give you a pro card so who cares which nation's National Federation manage that petition for you...

Yes True but the Guy didn't win a Pro Qualifier.So it's a Gift this same guy placed 3rd in his class at the Arnold Amateur he CAN'T even Win his Class yet he is on the Australian IFBB Pro poster.JOKE.

Steve Namat · « **Reply #13 on:** March 08, 2009, 04:22:46 PM »

Quote from: timfogarty on March 08, 2009, 04:09:29 PM

said like a true company man, of a company that doesn't pay you anything

or to put it another way: how does your winnings as a real pro compare to Sami's as a fake pro?

I'm a pro but not for money... If I'll succesful the money will come.

Sami?

First of all he's almost 36 years old, I'm 25.

And as I saw he always chosen the easier way to be succesful: Asian Championships, Musclemania, PDI...
I always chosen the hardest way. And I'm just at the beginning of my journey.

timfogarty · « **Reply #14 on:** March 08, 2009, 04:25:46 PM »

Quote from: Steve Namat on March 08, 2009, 04:22:46 PM

And as I saw he always chosen the easier way to be succesful: Asian Championships, Musclemania, PDI...
I always chosen the hardest way. And I'm just at the beginning of my journey.

IFBB Asian Amateur Championships, which he entered 7 times, and placed in the top 3 each time, is the easy road?

Switznegger · « **Reply #15 on:** March 08, 2009, 04:29:43 PM »

Quote from: Steve Namat on March 08, 2009, 04:22:46 PM

I'm a pro but not for money... If I'll succesful the money will come.

Sami?

First of all he's almost 36 years old, I'm 25.

And as I saw he always chosen the easier way to be succesful: Asian Championships, Musclemania, PDI...
I always chosen the hardest way. And I'm just at the beginning of my journey.

If your an IFBB Pro and it's NOT for Money why do you come on here asking people in America to help you with Money and jobs and stuff.Just think if you didn't spend all your cash on Drugs you might be able to save a little cash and pay your own way in LIFE.

Steve Namat · « **Reply #16 on:** March 08, 2009, 04:46:29 PM »

Quote from: timfogarty on March 08, 2009, 04:25:46 PM

IFBB Asian Amateur Championships, which he entered 7 times, and placed in the top 3 each time, is the easy road?

IFBB Asian Championships, Musclemania, PDI are easier roads? Well, compared to the others, yes.

After my NPC Border States overall win, being IFBB Pro is an easy road? No, that a huge step. And logical step? Not. But what should I did? Continue in WABBA until I have the physique to be a succesful IFBB Pro....? Thanks, but no.

Switznegger · « **Reply #17 on:** March 08, 2009, 04:59:55 PM »

Why do they let IFBB Pros compete with Amateurs Mike Kefa is on the Australian Pro poster and must have his Pro card 1week before that show.Funny thing was he couldn't even Win his Amateur class.I think Sami may have won his.Blacksmith move to Australia and get your IFBB Pro card.

timfogarty · « **Reply #18 on:** March 08, 2009, 05:00:50 PM »

Quote from: Steve Namat on March 08, 2009, 04:46:29 PM

IFBB Asian Championships, Musclemania, PDI are easier roads? Well, compared to the others, yes.

the IFBB Asian Championships is easier than what?

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After my NPC Border States overall win,

did you ever compete in the IFBB amateurs internationally? European Championships? Worlds? why did you deserve a pro card in the IFBB but people who win their class in IFBB international contests don't?

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But what should I did? Continue in WABBA until I have the physique to be a succesful IFBB Pro....?

what started this is that you called other people fake pros, why enter a contest if it's not IFBB? because they enjoy competing? because it allows them to make a living? because the IFBB isn't exactly holding contests where there seems to be an interest? Those Norway and French contests seem to be doing quite well. Theaters are selling out.

Of course paying a sanction fee to the IFBB might be what makes a contest financially nonviable. If every contest became unaffiliated then the executives of the Pro IFBB might have to take a pay cut. The IFBB has no direct way to get to the promoters of those non-IFBB contests. The only thing they can do is threaten the athletes. But as the first message in this thread shows, they're all talk and no action, unless your name is Sami.

240 is Back · « **Reply #19 on:** March 08, 2009, 05:02:21 PM »

Quote from: timfogarty on March 08, 2009, 02:53:51 PM

Julio Cesar Balestrin competed in the PDI
Alexandre Nataf competed as a pro in WABBA and NABBA
Costantino Galeazzo competed as a pro in NABBA
Lionel Beyeke competed as a pro in NABBA
Michalis Kefalianos competed as a pro in WABBA and PDI
Charles Mario competed as a pro in NABBA
Angel Rangel Vargas competed as a pro in Musclemania
El Shahat Mabrouk competed as a pro in the IFBB (in 1989)

hey, if there was a rule against it, I'm sure it'd be enforced. it's not like these guys broke any rules or anything, right?

Switznegger · « **Reply #20 on:** March 08, 2009, 05:06:00 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on March 08, 2009, 05:02:21 PM

hey, if there was a rule against it, I'm sure it'd be enforced. it's not like these guys broke any rules or anything, right?

Good Point 240 it's sort of like the Drug Rule.I like the Greek story best the IFBB Officials wanted $50000 Euros from Mike Kefa so he pulled out his Australian passport and said No thanks I will represent Australia.HAHAHAHHAHA.

Steve Namat · « **Reply #21 on:** March 08, 2009, 05:10:13 PM »

Quote from: timfogarty on March 08, 2009, 05:00:50 PM

the IFBB Asian Championships is easier than what?

Than the IFBB European and the Worlds Championships.

did you ever compete in the IFBB amateurs internationally? European Championships? Worlds? why did you deserve a pro card in the IFBB but people who win their class in IFBB international contests don't?

No, and if you would know Hungary then you would know why. That was one of my dreams to compete at those championships but the Hungarian National Federation didn't make it possible for me and the other athletes.

what started this is that you called other people fake pros, why enter a contest if it's not IFBB? because they enjoy competing? because it allows them to make a living? because the IFBB isn't exactly holding contests where there seems to be an interest? Those Norway and French contests seem to be doing quite well. Theaters are selling out. Of course paying a sanction fee to the IFBB might be what makes a contest financially nonviable.

Everybody compete where he wants to compete. Don't make a discussion about that. But the IFBB Professional League is a different level. Everybody knows it.

Switznegger · « **Reply #22 on:** March 08, 2009, 05:17:14 PM »

What level is that???How much money have you won from IFBB Pro shows???

Steve Namat · « **Reply #23 on:** March 08, 2009, 05:23:12 PM »

Quote from: Switznegger on March 08, 2009, 05:17:14 PM

What level is that???How much money have you won from IFBB Pro shows???

Switz, you're an idiot. Everybody knows that already, so calm down.

Bigger Business · « **Reply #24 on:** March 08, 2009, 06:18:53 PM »

Quote from: timfogarty on March 08, 2009, 02:53:51 PM

Julio Cesar Balestrin competed in the PDI
Alexandre Nataf competed as a pro in WABBA and NABBA
Costantino Galeazzo competed as a pro in NABBA
Lionel Beyeke competed as a pro in NABBA
Michalis Kefalianos competed as a pro in WABBA and PDI
Charles Mario competed as a pro in NABBA
Angel Rangel Vargas competed as a pro in Musclemania
El Shahat Mabrouk competed as a pro in the IFBB (in 1989)

Con Demetriou competed at the Arnold Amateur in 08 and a week later competed as an IFBB pro...