Author Topic: China,Russia,Iran. (Read 2772 times)

big L dawg · « **on:** March 10, 2009, 12:22:19 PM »

how do you guys see the United states Handling these guys.or is it more like The US getting Handled.

Hereford · « **Reply #1 on:** March 10, 2009, 12:29:01 PM »

Quote from: big L dawg on March 10, 2009, 12:22:19 PM

how do you guys see the United states Handling these guys.or is it more like The US getting Handled.

China is too intertwined with the US to fuck with us too badly, Russia is desperatly trying to maintain some sort of world relevance, Iran would be nothing if they didn't have oil, and if Israel wasn't so close.

big L dawg · « **Reply #2 on:** March 10, 2009, 12:34:01 PM »

Quote from: Hereford on March 10, 2009, 12:29:01 PM

China is too intertwined with the US to fuck with us too badly, Russia is desperatly trying to maintain some sort of world relevance, Iran would be nothing if they didn't have oil, and if Israel wasn't so close.

Why Is China bullying our ships.are they just bored...and Russia being desperate is what I'm talking about.desperate people do desperate things.and Iran hell were do you start.

240 is Back · « **Reply #3 on:** March 10, 2009, 12:48:09 PM »

russia desperate? they're in decent financial shape actually.

a_joker10 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 10, 2009, 12:58:06 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on March 10, 2009, 12:48:09 PM

russia desperate? they're in decent financial shape actually.

http://www.investmentu.com/IUEL/2009/March/emerging-markets-2.html

Russia’s Emerging Market: A Shooting Star Flames Out

While Brazil has emerged as a success story, Russia’s emerging market showed early promise, but that has given way to a somewhat bleak reality.

Indeed, since that Goldman paper was written in 2003, Russia has been transformed from a successful emerging market into a corrupt kleptocracy without the rule of law and with only oil exports propping it up.

Now that oil prices have dropped, Russia is in trouble. Its consumer prices are rising at a 14% clip on fudged official data, its currency is collapsing - down by a third in the past year - and stock prices are down 80% from their high last spring. Even Russia’s population is declining.

The bottom line: Russia is neither emerging, nor a market.

Unless oil prices recover rapidly, or the country undergoes a sudden conversion to secure property rights, it seems fated to remain impoverished, and to have its economic vigor diverted into military adventurism. It should be on nobody’s list of growth opportunities.

headhuntersix · « **Reply #5 on:** March 10, 2009, 02:01:35 PM »

I agree here. Iran is the one to watch. China wants to make money and look, they can't even invade a small Island that they claim they want back. Either they really don't care..my guess..or they can't. Russia is a joke..with nukes..but a joke...and they really desire closer ties with the West. They would also like their dignity back, which explains the recent bs they've been doing. Iran has its issues with the nukes and Israel will smoke them if it feels threathened. I think nKorea is the one to watch for the next several weeks. We're hearing that the army is starving and that birth defects have exploded.

a_joker10 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 10, 2009, 02:14:17 PM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on March 10, 2009, 02:01:35 PM

I agree here. Iran is the one to watch. China wants to make money and look, they can't even invade a small Island that they claim they want back. Either they really don't care..my guess..or they can't. Russia is a joke..with nukes..but a joke...and they really desire closer ties with the West. They would also like their dignity back, which explains the recent bs they've been doing. Iran has its issues with the nukes and Israel will smoke them if it feels threathened. I think nKorea is the one to watch for the next several weeks. We're hearing that the army is starving and that birth defects have exploded.
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I imagine that is why you are in Korea.

Good luck, hopefully those idiots will scale own their rhetoric and not test their long range missile.

Or if they do Obama shoots it down.

IFBBwannaB · « **Reply #7 on:** March 10, 2009, 02:20:29 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on March 10, 2009, 12:48:09 PM

russia desperate? they're in decent financial shape actually.

Quoted for futrue jokes.

240 is Back · « **Reply #8 on:** March 10, 2009, 02:35:23 PM »

Quote from: IFBBwannaB on March 10, 2009, 02:20:29 PM

Quoted for futrue jokes.

are they in better or worse financial shape than us, IFBBwannaB?

SAMSON123 · « **Reply #9 on:** March 10, 2009, 06:47:17 PM »

Quote from: big L dawg on March 10, 2009, 12:22:19 PM

how do you guys see the United states Handling these guys.or is it more like The US getting Handled.

america knows who to and who NOT to mess with...I said on this board before that as long as a nation has THE BOMB america will not touch it regardless of what it does. So coward america picks on litttle nations like Iraq, Iran, Cuba, Afghanistan, Korea, etc who are either thousands of miles away or have no real military and tries flexing it muscles with them. China and Russia are the BIG DOGS on the planet and america knows it will go up in smoke in a moments notice of it really tried to do something stupid with these nations...China has already threatened to nuke hundreds of US cities if america interferes with it. You remember when the Chinese captured that american spy plane and made america apologize publically for spying on their nation. The Chinese also DISMANTLED the plane and took out all of the components that they deemed illegal in regards to spying and then returned to america (or rather gave america an ultimatum to come and get the carcass of the plane)... With the new ruler in RUSSIA at the helm I am sure his finger rests on THE BUTTON even in his sleep. He knows america learns in one way and in one way only...DEATH AND DESTRUCTION. All it would take is nuking a few cities in america for america to change forever...

2ND COMING · « **Reply #10 on:** March 10, 2009, 07:08:55 PM »

Quote from: SAMSON123 on March 10, 2009, 06:47:17 PM

america knows who to and who NOT to mess with...I said on this board before that as long as a nation has THE BOMB america will not touch it regardless of what it does. So coward america picks on litttle nations like Iraq, Iran, Cuba, Afghanistan, Korea, etc who are either thousands of miles away or have no real military and tries flexing it muscles with them. China and Russia are the BIG DOGS on the planet and america knows it will go up in smoke in a moments notice of it really tried to do something stupid with these nations...China has already threatened to nuke hundreds of US cities if america interferes with it. You remember when the Chinese captured that american spy plane and made america apologize publically for spying on their nation. The Chinese also DISMANTLED the plane and took out all of the components that they deemed illegal in regards to spying and then returned to america (or rather gave america an ultimatum to come and get the carcass of the plane)... With the new ruler in RUSSIA at the helm I am sure his finger rests on THE BUTTON even in his sleep. He knows america learns in one way and in one way only...DEATH AND DESTRUCTION. All it would take is nuking a few cities in america for america to change forever...

America is not alone dipshit. it would never be russia and china tag teaming usa. If one of them hits us israel would respond before we would, and without mentioning usa nimitz nuclear carriers and warships positioned EVERYWHERE,you have japan and the u.k. to keep an eye on shit also.

we get it. you hate the usa. Please reserve save those assinine comments for youtube

SAMSON123 · « **Reply #11 on:** March 10, 2009, 07:58:23 PM »

Quote from: 2ND COMING on March 10, 2009, 07:08:55 PM

America is not alone dipshit. it would never be russia and china tag teaming usa. If one of them hits us israel would respond before we would, and without mentioning usa nimitz nuclear carriers and warships positioned EVERYWHERE,you have japan and the u.k. to keep an eye on shit also.

we get it. you hate the usa. Please reserve save those assinine comments for youtube

ISRAHELL is the shithole of shitholes and they only like america as long as america continues sending it the WELFARE CHECKS....Don't think for a moment that the Russian, Chines, Koreans, europeans and many other nations don't have nuclear armed subs and vessels patroling the waters near america. Russia has her subs just off Washington DC, New York, Los Angeles etc etc and are within a minutes nuclear strike. You have lived the american LIE ans FANTASY for TOOOOOO LONNNNG. When the shit hits the fan the cowards that run americas government are going to run to underground bunkers and leave your dumb asses unprotected to the full fury of the nuclear bombs these nations will drop on america. You are still thinking that NOTHING will happen in or to america. You try and bomb one nation and they will reciprocate. Russia has thousands of bombs and nothing to do with them...don't you think they will send them to america in a heart beat and raise the temperature in america by about TEN THOUSAND DEGREES??? Snap out of the fantasy.

thelamefalsehood · « **Reply #12 on:** March 10, 2009, 08:27:37 PM »

Quote from: SAMSON123 on March 10, 2009, 07:58:23 PM

ISRAELL is the shithole of shitholes and they only like america as long as america continues sending it the WELFARE CHECKS....Don't think for a moment that the Russian, Chines, Koreans, europeans and many other nations don't have nuclear armed subs and vessels patroling the waters near america. Russia has her subs just off Washington DC, New York, Los Angeles etc etc and are within a minutes nuclear strike. You have lived the american LIE ans FANTASY for TOOOOOO LONNNNG. When the shit hits the fan the cowards that run americas government are going to run to underground bunkers and leave your dumb asses unprotected to the full fury of the nuclear bombs these nations will drop on america. You are still thinking that NOTHING will happen in or to america. You try and bomb one nation and they will reciprocate. Russia has thousands of bombs and nothing to do with them...don't you think they will send them to america in a heart beat and raise the temperature in america by about TEN THOUSAND DEGREES??? Snap out of the fantasy.

Quoted for epic retardedness

MuscleMcMannus · « **Reply #13 on:** March 10, 2009, 08:42:15 PM »

We are not dumb enough to attack Iran right now. Atleast I hope not. It would literally collapse our economy overnight and fuel terrorism around the world like we've never seen. Russia has just entered into agreements to sell Iran its nuclear fuel for the next few years. It would not sit well with them if we started destroying their nuclear facilities. Plus Russia controls a large amount of natural gas going to Western Europe. They could squeeze Europe if they had to. As far as China they are not stupid and realize that we are in a very precarious situation economically and are taunting us.

headhuntersix · « **Reply #14 on:** March 11, 2009, 12:54:15 AM »

Russia is a joke militarily...a joke forget em for awhile. China is playing China games as they do from time to time. They are testing Obama. If u don't think our enemies stood up and took notice as to how we've been doing militarily ur an idiot.

Iran is best left to collapse from within. We aren't attacking Iran. The Israeli's might. Russia won't be able to do shit if Israel bombs the sites, but protest in the UN. They aren't in any postion to project power beyond their limited sphere of influence. Plus Russia wants to be a world player, it needs cash and some of what Muscles said is correct. (may I burn in hell) They have plenty of natural gas. They need both customers and folks to pull out untapped sources. China is in the same boat. They can control or influence Asia through trade. Their economic zones were built by the West. They were planned by Western firms and we're heavily invested there. Going to war isn't an option for either side. Both of these countries can play games..but not at the risk of losing markets.

Korea on the other hand...nobody knows what goes through Kim's mind. Their current rumblings are because they want direct talks with Obama, which is against current US policy. We want China involved as well as our allies the Japanese and the Republic of Korea. The Japs hate the North and would love to see em drop dead. China doesn't know whether to shit or go blind with them either. They are prepared for a massive refugee problem. The US expects Chinese troops to "invade" and create a buffer zone inside nK, to try and stem the tide, should the North fall apart like East Germany. SK really wants to avoid that senario as the North is like a 12th century country.

headhuntersix · « **Reply #15 on:** March 11, 2009, 12:57:58 AM »

Quote from: a_joker10 on March 10, 2009, 02:14:17 PM

Quote from: headhuntersix on March 10, 2009, 02:01:35 PM
I agree here. Iran is the one to watch. China wants to make money and look, they can't even invade a small Island that they claim they want back. Either they really don't care..my guess..or they can't. Russia is a joke..with nukes..but a joke...and they really desire closer ties with the West. They would also like their dignity back, which explains the recent bs they've been doing. Iran has its issues with the nukes and Israel will smoke them if it feels threathened. I think nKorea is the one to watch for the next several weeks. We're hearing that the army is starving and that birth defects have exploded.
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I imagine that is why you are in Korea.

Good luck, hopefully those idiots will scale own their rhetoric and not test their long range missile.

Or if they do Obama shoots it down.

I'm in Korea as part of the team evaluating the exercises, for the US. Army, that are pissing off the midget. They (nK) reopened the border to allow about 400 people who were visting, to leave. The Japs will shoot that thing down if it tilts 1 degree.

IFBBwannaB · « **Reply #16 on:** March 11, 2009, 06:59:06 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on March 10, 2009, 02:35:23 PM

are they in better or worse financial shape than us, IFBBwannaB?

Russia is a big hoax, I guess that you never visited there but I have close family that lived there....that place is pure BS.

And considering that their stock market got closed every other day since the crisis started....I'll say they're in the shits.

240 is Back · « **Reply #17 on:** March 11, 2009, 07:43:29 AM »

Quote from: IFBBwannaB on March 11, 2009, 06:59:06 AM

Russia is a big hoax,

So they don't have enough nukes to destroy us then?

I need to call CNN and tell them that their info is all wrong.

IFBBwannaB · « **Reply #18 on:** March 11, 2009, 08:29:38 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on March 11, 2009, 07:43:29 AM

So they don't have enough nukes to destroy us then?

I need to call CNN and tell them that their info is all wrong.

Russia economy, that's what we talked about....stay on subject boy.

If you want to go into military talk, nuclear missiles aren't much when they get intercepted over Europe or in space. Their military is mostly outdated and not a real threat, especially to a country that is on the other side of the ocean.

240 is Back · « **Reply #19 on:** March 11, 2009, 08:46:07 AM »

Quote from: IFBBwannaB on March 11, 2009, 08:29:38 AM

If you want to go into military talk, nuclear missiles aren't much when they get intercepted over Europe or in space. Their military is mostly outdated and not a real threat, especially to a country that is on the other side of the ocean.

Russia's nuclear capabilities are "not a real threat"?

okay, thanks.

IFBBwannaB · « **Reply #20 on:** March 11, 2009, 09:03:57 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on March 11, 2009, 08:46:07 AM

Russia's nuclear capabilities are "not a real threat"?

okay, thanks.

Most of their ballistic missiles technology is pretty old and the US intercepting technology is very advanced.
If we are talking missiles only than it's not as big as a threat as some think, but obviously that with nukes only one mistake need to be done for it do huge damage.

I'm actually more afraid of some suicide atomic ship/sub/civilian vehicle than ballistic missiles.

You should really look up some of the new intercepting technologies, but what can I expect from someone who can't do a simple kinematic equation to see WTC7 didn't fall at free fall speed

MuscleMcMannus · « **Reply #21 on:** March 11, 2009, 11:16:06 AM »

Quote from: IFBBwannaB on March 11, 2009, 09:03:57 AM

Most of their ballistic missiles technology is pretty old and the US intercepting technology is very advanced.
If we are talking missiles only than it's not as big as a threat as some think, but obviously that with nukes only one mistake need to be done for it do huge damage.

I'm actually more afraid of some suicide atomic ship/sub/civilian vehicle than ballistic missiles.

You should really look up some of the new intercepting technologies, but what can I expect from someone who can't do a simple kinematic equation to see WTC7 didn't fall at free fall speed

Oh brother!

IFBBwannaB · « **Reply #22 on:** March 11, 2009, 12:07:56 PM »

Quote from: MuscleMcMannus on March 11, 2009, 11:16:06 AM

Oh brother!

Please PROVE me wrong, I got Newton on my side....who you got?

MuscleMcMannus · « **Reply #23 on:** March 11, 2009, 01:09:49 PM »

Quote from: IFBBwannaB on March 11, 2009, 12:07:56 PM

Please PROVE me wrong, I got Newton on my side....who you got?

Sometimes common sense can't be found in mathematics or a textbook. If anyone in their right mind thinks WTC7 was brought down by fire they are a moron. Most intelligent people aren't arguing the building fell AT free fall speed by the way.

Fury · « **Reply #24 on:** March 11, 2009, 01:12:29 PM »

Quote from: MuscleMcMannus on March 11, 2009, 01:09:49 PM

Sometimes common sense can't be found in mathematics or a textbook. If anyone in their right mind thinks WTC7 was brought down by fire they are a moron. Most intelligent people aren't arguing the building fell AT free fall speed by the way.

Prove that it wasn't, Bohr.