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STOP RADICAL MARXIST OBAMA...HE IS DESTROYING THE MARKETS!!!
« on: March 12, 2009, 02:20:50 PM »
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Dow gains nearly 240 on good news on banks, GM
Thursday March 12, 4:44 pm ET
By Madlen Read, AP Business Writer
Dow gains nearly 240 on day of good news about banks, General Motors and retailers

NEW YORK (AP) -- Investors have been clamoring for months for a bit of good news. On Thursday, they got a load of it. The Dow Jones industrials shot up 240 points, bringing its gains over the past three days to 622 points. It was the index's biggest three-day jump since last November.

This week's rally got an extra dose of adrenalin after an accounting board told Congress Thursday it may recommend a let-up in accounting rules for troubled banks in three weeks.

Hope that financial institutions might finally get relief in how they value their bad assets spurred a flurry of buying on Wall Street, which accelerated when Bank of America Corp.'s CEO told reporters his bank was profitable in January and February. Citigroup Inc. triggered this week's rally Tuesday with similar remarks.

"We might find that the banks are not as bad, or not bad at all, if these assets are marked differently," said Doreen Mogavero, president of the New York floor brokerage Mogavero, Lee & Co.

Stocks also got a boost as retail sales figures came in better than anticipated, General Electric Co. got its credit rating cut by less than expected and General Motors Corp. said it will not need a $2 billion loan it previously requested from the government.

"There's a lot of money on the sidelines, and a lot of people who've been waiting for the turn to come," Mogavero said.

According to preliminary calculations, the Dow rose 239.66, or 3.5 percent, to 7,170.06. The Standard & Poor's 500 index climbed 29.38, or 4.1 percent, to 750.74. The Nasdaq composite index gained 54.46, or 4 percent, to 1,426.10.

After a modest decline Monday and three days of buying, the Dow is up 8.2 percent so far for the week. The S&P 500 index is up 9.9 percent and the Nasdaq is up 10.2 percent.



Stocks Power to Close, S&P 500 Up 4 Percent
Posted By: Cindy Perman | Writer
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| 12 Mar 2009 | 04:02 PM ET

Stocks powered into the market close Thursday, completing a strong rally that took the major indexes up more than 3 percent and nearly 8 percent for the week.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average gained nearly 240 points, or 3.3 percent, led by bank and pharma stocks as well as General Electric. The Standard & Poor's 500 jumped more than 4 percent to 750, while the Nasdaq tech gauge gained 4 percent.

The surge marked the third straight gain for the Dow, after a tiny gain on Wednesday and a nearly 6-percent burst on Wednesday, the best rally in more than three months. Stocks have been getting pounded this year, and this week fulfilled hopes for a bear rally long in coming even as the averages remain 18 percent lower for 2009.
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Re: STOP RADICAL MARXIST OBAMA...HE IS DESTROYING THE MARKETS!!!
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2009, 10:17:25 AM »
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Quit blaming the market's collapse on Obama.

Jonathan Chait,  The New Republic  Published: March 13 2009

The one conservative talking point that has gotten the most traction since Barack Obama won the election is that he's killing the stock market with his big-government agenda. Conservatives pundits started saying this in November, and mainstream news implies it constantly. "Stocks are down almost 19 percent since the Obama administration took office," reported ABC News recently. MSNBC has been endlessly featuring a graph of the stock market's decline since Obama took office. While Obama's economic policies have gotten plenty of things wrong, the idea that they can be judged by the stock market is unbelievably fatuous.

To understand this ubiquitous notion, let us start at the bottom of the conservative intellectual food chain and work our way up. The crudest version of the Obama Bear Market hypothesis is put forward by the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Fred Barnes. Their favorite data point is that the market tanked at several key moments: the day after the 2008 presidential election, the day of Obama's inauguration, and the day he signed the economic stimulus bill. Clearly the markets panicked in reaction to Obama's incipient big-government, wealth-confiscating agenda, right?

Sure, unless you realize that those events just might have been priced into the market already. Obama, in case you forgot, was considered a lock before Election Day. (On election eve, Intrade had given Obama a 92 percent chance of winning.) Likewise, the vote that made the stimulus bill a fait accompli took place several days before the bill's signing. The real market-driving news came even earlier, when Obama unveiled his plan. Contemporaneous reports on the market reaction-The New York Times, December 9: "WALL STREET SURGES ON STIMULUS HOPES"-dug up little evidence of fears about socialism.


You may not believe me that pundits are citing the market's drop on January 20 as an indictment of Obama. It's true! "The Dow fell 332.13 points on inauguration day," noted Barnes, holding this up as evidence that "The market's view is that an Obamanomics-driven economy looks grim." I'm trying to figure out the operating theory here. One possibility is that, before January 20, investors thought Obama would get cold feet, or that maybe President Bush would surround the White House with tanks and stay forever. Alternatively, the markets did know Obama would assume the presidency that day, but got really depressed when it actually happened. Neither of these possibilities speak well of the stock market as a rational gauge of the country's economic future.

It is true, of course, that stocks have fallen sharply since Obama won the election. A recent Wall Street Journal editorial noted that the Dow Jones Industrial Average fell 25 percent over the first two months of the year. "The dismaying message here," fretted the oh-so-earnest Journal editors, "is that President Obama's policies have become part of the economy's problem."

Well, this is more persuasive than the "Oh my God, some long-anticipated event has finally happened so I'm selling my stocks" hypothesis. But it still lacks some key details. Such as: maybe some other economic events triggered the sell-off? No way, continues the Journal:

So what has happened in the last two months? The economy has received no great new outside shock. . . . What is new is the unveiling of Mr. Obama's agenda and his approach to governance.

Huh? First of all, Obama's agenda was unveiled well before the election. Second, there have been constant new economic shocks, from the massive downward revision of fourth quarter (pre-Obama) GDP to the collapse of economies across the world.

Indeed, American stocks are merely suffering the same drop as stocks in countries not subject to Obama's socialist agenda. While the Dow did fall by 25 percent over the first two months of 2009, the Global Dow fell by 26 percent. If Obama's agenda was the problem, then you'd think U.S. stocks would fall further and faster.

The larger fallacy here is to assume that the stock market is a proxy for the entire economy. Many people realize that the stock market is an imperfect gauge. But it's not just an imperfect gauge of the economy-it doesn't even attempt to measure the economy. Stock prices represent the market's guess at the profitability of corporations. While that's related to the health of the overall economy, it's not the same thing, and sometimes the two diverge sharply. During the Bush administration, for instance, corporate profits soared while wages for most families flatlined.

One clear instance where Obama hurt the stock market came when Tim Geithner announced the administration's financial rescue plan. Stocks dropped that day. Was this a fair indictment of the plan? Or a reaction to the possibility that the government might wipe out shareholders? In other words, was the market drop a signal that Obama's plan was bad for the economy as a whole or just bad for bank stocks? The two propositions mean very different things.

This, alas, is the very distinction the stock-mongers on television fail to grasp. The stock market has become the media's real-time economic report card. Economic statistics that actually measure broader material well-being come out once a month, some once a year, others once a decade. The stock market updates instantly, making it irresistible.

Cable channels, especially CNBC, have come to represent the stock-centric view of the world. Stock televangelist Jim Cramer, who has assailed Obama for "wealth destruction," perfectly embodies the narrowness of this view. "Stocks, along with housing, are our principal forms of wealth in this country," he asserts. In fact, according to University of Wisconsin economist John Karl Scholz, the richest 10 percent has more than half its net worth in stocks, but those in the middle have less than 4 percent of their net worth in equities.

As a case in point, Cramer assailed Obama for "destroying the profits in health care companies (one of the few areas still robust in the economy)." The United States has the most expensive, least efficient health care sector in the advanced world. The flipside of that inefficiency is massive profits in the health care sector. Anything that reduces waste necessarily reduces that profit. Cramer naturally sees this as a disaster. But why should the rest of us care?

Jonathan Chait is a senior editor of The New Republic.
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Re: STOP RADICAL MARXIST OBAMA...HE IS DESTROYING THE MARKETS!!!
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2009, 10:49:10 AM »
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Re: STOP RADICAL MARXIST OBAMA...HE IS DESTROYING THE MARKETS!!!
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2009, 10:53:46 AM »
All that this talk of Marxism and Socialism will do is to create more interest in those parties. :-\

Wouldn't surprise me if the US Socialist party would've gone up in the ratings and memberships.
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Re: STOP RADICAL MARXIST OBAMA...HE IS DESTROYING THE MARKETS!!!
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2009, 09:58:40 PM »
Increasing the size of government will actually increase government spending stimulating the economy - the private sector was given control of the reigns for too long and look what they did.

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Re: STOP RADICAL MARXIST OBAMA...HE IS DESTROYING THE MARKETS!!!
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2009, 01:08:07 PM »
Obama's socialist agenda is bad for Wall Street!!!













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Stocks surge on bank plan, rise in home sales
Stocks soar on gov't plan to soak up bad bank assets; home sales show surprise gain

 * Monday March 23, 2009, 3:55 pm EDT

NEW YORK (AP) -- Wall Street is getting the good news it wants on the economy's biggest problems: banks and housing. Investors reignited a two-week rally Monday, cheering the government's plan to help banks remove bad assets from their books as well as a report showing a surprising increase in home sales. Major stock indicators jumped as much as 6 percent, including the Dow Jones industrial average, which soared more than 400 points.

The Treasury Department's bad asset cleanup program would tap money from the government's $700 billion financial rescue fund and involve help from the Federal Reserve, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. and the participation of private investors.

The government's announcement was what the market had waited weeks to hear. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner had announced an outline of the program last month but provided few details then about how it would work, leading to a poor reception in the markets.

Meanwhile, the housing report released Monday was overwhelmingly positive for the markets even though it showed a decline in home prices in February. Investors are embracing any sign that a glut in homes for sale may be easing.

The market had received another dose of housing good news last week on the troubled industry as housing starts for February came in much better than expected.
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Re: STOP RADICAL MARXIST OBAMA...HE IS DESTROYING THE MARKETS!!!
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2009, 01:16:04 PM »
I can only hope that when the markets recover that all the mass suicides of the retards who want another revolution on here and were banking on Obama to fail makes the news.

MuscleMcAnus and Hugo Chavez, put it on youtube!

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Re: STOP RADICAL MARXIST OBAMA...HE IS DESTROYING THE MARKETS!!!
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2009, 05:44:33 PM »
Stocks surge; S&P 500 turns positive for 2009
Surging stocks vault S&P 500 higher for the year as pending home sales data boost mood

 
NEW YORK (AP) -- The Standard & Poor's 500 index is up for the year. And for once, it was the housing market that sent stocks soaring.

The S&P 500, considered Wall Street's most important indicator, bounded up 3.4 percent Monday and erased the last of its losses for 2009. And the Dow Jones industrials shot up more than 200 points and had their first finish above 8,400 since Jan. 13.

Two months ago, an S&P 500 in positive ground would have seemed impossible, with the stock market having fallen to 12-year lows on fears of a worsening recession. Monday's rally was led by the same financial and housing stocks that were decimated by the credit crisis and the sinking economy, and it added more momentum to a stunning rally that began March 10.

A double dose of good housing news ignited the advance: Pending U.S. home sales rose more than forecast and had their second straight monthly gain, while construction spending rose unexpectedly in March after five straight declines.

With Monday's gain, the S&P has soared 34.1 percent in the 39 trading days since the rally began, its steepest gain over that many days since 1933. The Dow, meanwhile, is up 28.7 percent.
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Re: STOP RADICAL MARXIST OBAMA...HE IS DESTROYING THE MARKETS!!!
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2009, 05:59:56 PM »
DOW was up 250+ today.

It's higher under Obama than when Bush left.

Ya know this is pissing off ppl like Rush who actually wanted the economy to fali so they could be right.  If obama succeeds - and the economy recovers - voting against this bailout is going to be Iraq Vote II for the repubs.

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Re: STOP RADICAL MARXIST OBAMA...HE IS DESTROYING THE MARKETS!!!
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2009, 06:28:24 PM »
Yeah...a few good days.....wait until the bill comes do. Or maybe all this "sacrifice" Barry keeps talking about with the car company creditors....that makes people invest huh. Nonthing Barry has done economy wise was a short term fix.  The economy will fix or attampt to right itself. The bill comes due, down the road.
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Re: STOP RADICAL MARXIST OBAMA...HE IS DESTROYING THE MARKETS!!!
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2009, 06:48:58 PM »
This is laughable.  The same markets that the libs are blaming and demonizing, they are using to gauge progress.  Only the libs.

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Re: STOP RADICAL MARXIST OBAMA...HE IS DESTROYING THE MARKETS!!!
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2009, 07:56:17 PM »
All that this talk of Marxism and Socialism will do is to create more interest in those parties. :-\

Wouldn't surprise me if the US Socialist party would've gone up in the ratings and memberships.
lol, what by 15 members hahaha

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Re: STOP RADICAL MARXIST OBAMA...HE IS DESTROYING THE MARKETS!!!
« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2009, 08:23:11 PM »
LOL no worries it will go back down at least one more time mark my words another trench is coming.

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Re: STOP RADICAL MARXIST OBAMA...HE IS DESTROYING THE MARKETS!!!
« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2009, 08:46:59 PM »
All that this talk of Marxism and Socialism will do is to create more interest in those parties. :-\

Wouldn't surprise me if the US Socialist party would've gone up in the ratings and memberships.

Every time someone calls him a Marxist I ask them what a Marxist is..  yes not 1 person even could answer it correctly... Sad...

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Re: STOP RADICAL MARXIST OBAMA...HE IS DESTROYING THE MARKETS!!!
« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2009, 09:29:12 PM »
 Celebrate, the worst is behind us!

 lets pee our pants with excitment.

While the government is intent to flood certain sectors with money, you might as well say "screw reality" and make some money for yourself.




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Re: STOP RADICAL MARXIST OBAMA...HE IS DESTROYING THE MARKETS!!!
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2009, 12:03:58 AM »
I can only hope that when the markets recover that all the mass suicides of the retards who want another revolution on here and were banking on Obama to fail makes the news.

MuscleMcAnus and Hugo Chavez, put it on youtube!

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Re: STOP RADICAL MARXIST OBAMA...HE IS DESTROYING THE MARKETS!!!
« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2009, 05:19:10 AM »
Every time someone calls him a Marxist I ask them what a Marxist is..  yes not 1 person even could answer it correctly... Sad...

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Re: STOP RADICAL MARXIST OBAMA...HE IS DESTROYING THE MARKETS!!!
« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2009, 09:35:00 AM »
Gee,I thought the daily fluctuations of the market werent important.Or is Obama just a blowhard that only thinks something is important when it benefits him.

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Re: STOP RADICAL MARXIST OBAMA...HE IS DESTROYING THE MARKETS!!!
« Reply #18 on: August 03, 2009, 01:20:32 PM »
Signs of healing in manufacturing lift stocks
Stocks push higher as August trading begins amid signs of healing in manufacturing, housing

    * By Sara Lepro, AP Business Writer
    * On Monday August 3, 2009,

NEW YORK (AP) -- The stock market is extending its summer rally as August brings more upbeat economic data.

Positive reports on manufacturing, housing and banking sent stocks sharply higher Monday, hurling the Standard & Poor's 500 index past 1,000 for the first time since early November. All the major indexes rose more than 1 percent, including the Dow Jones industrial average, which jumped 115 points.

The gains were spread across industry groups. The manufacturing data and rising commodity prices helping to lift energy and material stocks, while stronger earnings reports from European banks lifted shares of financial companies.

Ford Motor Co. hit a new high for the year as the company's sales rose for the first time in nearly two years. The federal government's popular "cash-for-clunkers" program is expected to boost overall auto sales to their highest level of the year.

The market had already started off on a positive note following reports showing stronger industrial activity in China, Britain and Europe.

Stocks surged last month, reigniting a spring rally that had fizzled in June amid growing doubts that the economy was on solid footing. The Dow recorded its best July in 20 years, soaring 725 points, or 8.6 percent. Stocks regained momentum as an increasing number of economic and corporate earnings reports suggested investors' bets had been well-founded.

"At this point through earnings season, patterns have been firmly established," said Lawrence Creatura, portfolio manager at Federated Clover Investment Advisors. "It would take a lot to derail the emerging optimism."

In late afternoon trading, the Dow rose 115.94, or 1.3 percent, to 9,287.55. The S&P 500 index rose 14.76, or 1.5 percent, to 1,002.24. The Nasdaq composite index rose 26.63, or 1.4 percent, to 2,005.13. The Nasdaq rose back above 2,000 on Thursday for the first time since October.

In other signs of investors' growing confidence, safe-haven assets like Treasurys and the dollar fell, while oil and other commodities prices surged.
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Re: STOP RADICAL MARXIST OBAMA...HE IS DESTROYING THE MARKETS!!!
« Reply #19 on: August 03, 2009, 05:52:02 PM »
Increasing the size of government will actually increase government spending stimulating the economy - the private sector was given control of the reigns for too long and look what they did.
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Yeah, look at what "they" did....nothing but give us Americans the highest standard of living the world has ever known.

Ha, "They", no specifics, no facts, just some vague bogeyman you can point to and blame all of your real and perceived problems, failings and shortcomings.

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« Reply #20 on: August 03, 2009, 07:26:44 PM »
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Government Spending... Government spending... Government Spending...

WOW- Why didn't anyone think of that until now? Spending peoples tax dollars to create programs to give people jobs where the salaries are paid with revenue from peoples tax dollars! Amazing!

The private sector after all, was using private capital to help people make money and create jobs. Why not just steal everyones money and sell it back to them in the forms of entitlement programs for other people?

Hmmm... Now, these programs have never worked before in sustaining viable economic growth. But this time will be different! YES WE CAN!

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Re: STOP RADICAL MARXIST OBAMA...HE IS DESTROYING THE MARKETS!!!
« Reply #21 on: August 04, 2009, 05:00:43 AM »
The last GDP number was cushioned by Govt spending and increased defense spending. 

This is all smoke and mirrors to mask the continued free fall of the private sector. 

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« Reply #22 on: August 04, 2009, 06:19:35 AM »
The last GDP number was cushioned by Govt spending and increased defense spending. 

This is all smoke and mirrors to mask the continued free fall of the private sector. 

Some clowns on this board just don't get it.

GDP is still contracting, U.E. is still continuing to pile up.

After all the govt. spending, nation crippling debt, words, bills, power grabs, begging of the Chinese etc etc, we STILL had a -1% GDP growth. Take into account that the first quarter # was revised down to -6.4% and you will see where this -1% GDP report is going as well.

U.S. Incomes also dropped by 1.4% as well. And lets be serious, Chinese will need solid assurances that this Admin. will take steps to cut the deficit. This Admin. has shown that it won't stop to even think about cutting spending and base line budgets, no, it will def. take steps to raise taxes.

What economic indicators point to a turnaround?

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« Reply #23 on: August 04, 2009, 06:23:07 AM »
Some clowns on this board just don't get it.

GDP is still contracting, U.E. is still continuing to pile up.

After all the govt. spending, nation crippling debt, words, bills, power grabs, begging of the Chinese etc etc, we STILL had a -1% GDP growth. Take into account that the first quarter # was revised down to -6.4% and you will see where this -1% GDP report is going as well.

U.S. Incomes also dropped by 1.4% as well. And lets be serious, Chinese will need solid assurances that this Admin. will take steps to cut the deficit. This Admin. has shown that it won't stop to even think about cutting spending and base line budgets, no, it will def. take steps to raise taxes.

What economic indicators point to a turnaround?

They will say that recent earnings reports show progress as do increased home sales.  However, those reports are based on jobs cuts, not on increased overall revenues.   

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Re: STOP RADICAL MARXIST OBAMA...HE IS DESTROYING THE MARKETS!!!
« Reply #24 on: August 04, 2009, 06:58:56 AM »
DOW was up 250+ today.

It's higher under Obama than when Bush left.

Ya know this is pissing off ppl like Rush who actually wanted the economy to fali so they could be right.  If obama succeeds - and the economy recovers - voting against this bailout is going to be Iraq Vote II for the repubs.

Ha,ha,yeah our deficit will be about 6 trillion by then,the government will control health care and we will be looking at 4,000 extra a year in light bills from cap and trade.Unemployment will still be at about 10%,inflation will be through the roof,interest rates will be higher,more foreclosures on corportate real estate.Yeah,sure,Obama will look fantastic.Please give me examples of the government taking over stuff where its worked out for the good.