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US decommissions term 'enemy combatant'
« on: March 14, 2009, 12:11:54 PM »
President Barack Obama's administration dropped the "enemy combatant" designation for terror suspects and vowed to draw on international law for its detention policy at Guantanamo Bay prison.

In a court filing with a district court in Washington, the US Justice Department submitted a new definition for the government's authority to hold detainees at the US naval base in southern Cuba.

"It does not employ the phrase 'enemy combatant,'" the Justice Department stressed in a statement.

Former president George W. Bush had argued that his status as commander-in-chief allowed him to indefinitely hold "enemy combatants" without charge.

But under the new policy, suspects would be held in accordance with the international laws of war. The Justice Department said only individuals who "substantially supported" Al-Qaeda, Taliban or "associated forces" would be considered detainable.

Warning that the facts and circumstances "justifying detention" would vary for each case, the Justice Department said "the contours of the 'substantial support' and 'associated forces' bases of detention will need to be further developed in their application to concrete facts in individual cases."

The definition immediately drew fire from rights groups and conservatives alike.

"The Obama administration's take on detainees is essentially the Bush standard with a new name," said Joanne Mariner, director of the terrorism and counterterrorism program at Human Rights Watch.

Representative Pete Hoekstra, the top Republican on the House Permanent Select Intelligence Committee, criticized the Obama administration for "taking major action without knowing its consequences."

"The administration has no plan for where to place the terrorists, and now has no idea about the implications of its new theory that apparently gives more weight to international views than our own national security priorities," he added.

But Attorney General Eric Holder said the changes introduced by the Obama administration would "make our nation stronger."

"As we work toward developing a new policy to govern detainees, it is essential that we operate in a manner that strengthens our national security, is consistent with our values, and is governed by law," he added.

"The change we've made today meets each of those standards."

In his first week in office, Obama ordered an interagency review of Guantanamo as part of his plan to close the facility, which still holds more than 240 prisoners, by early 2010.

The outcome of the review "may lead to further refinements of the government's position," the Justice Department warned.

In the filing, government lawyers backed Bush's stance to hold detainees even if they are not captured on the battlefield, which American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) executive director Anthony Romero called "deeply troubling."


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Re: US decommissions term 'enemy combatant'
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2009, 11:31:46 PM »
something tells me this is just a topical move

decomission? a term?

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Re: US decommissions term 'enemy combatant'
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2009, 07:19:43 AM »
something tells me this is just a topical move

decomission? a term?

Nice.  They even used this term in WW2. 

What is he going to call them now????

Probably:  "Friends:,  "brothers in arms", "freedom fighters", "comrads"

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Re: US decommissions term 'enemy combatant'
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2009, 07:49:49 AM »
Nice.  They even used this term in WW2. 

What is he going to call them now????

Probably:  "Friends:,  "brothers in arms", "freedom fighters", "comrads"
I'm sure his next move is to change the US policy of not negotiating with terrorists. I'm sure he believes those poor misunderstood suicide bombers certainly can be reasoned with...maybe a little loving therapy will help. And since no "harsh" interrogation can be used, when asking for vital information that could save American lives, the words "Pretty Please" must be used as not to offend the Terrorists' delicate sensibilities.

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Re: US decommissions term 'enemy combatant'
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2009, 01:24:13 PM »
Nice.  They even used this term in WW2. 

What is he going to call them now????

Probably:  "Friends:,  "brothers in arms", "freedom fighters", "comrads"

criminal, terrorist ?

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Re: US decommissions term 'enemy combatant'
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2009, 01:28:51 PM »

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Re: US decommissions term 'enemy combatant'
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2009, 03:49:17 PM »
I'm sure his next move is to change the US policy of not negotiating with terrorists. I'm sure he believes those poor misunderstood suicide bombers certainly can be reasoned with...maybe a little loving therapy will help. And since no "harsh" interrogation can be used, when asking for vital information that could save American lives, the words "Pretty Please" must be used as not to offend the Terrorists' delicate sensibilities.

Tell me about it.  The mantra will be:  "can't we all just get along"?   ::)

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Re: US decommissions term 'enemy combatant'
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2009, 06:08:21 PM »
I'm sure his next move is to change the US policy of not negotiating with terrorists. I'm sure he believes those poor misunderstood suicide bombers certainly can be reasoned with...maybe a little loving therapy will help. And since no "harsh" interrogation can be used, when asking for vital information that could save American lives, the words "Pretty Please" must be used as not to offend the Terrorists' delicate sensibilities.




You guys do a good job of making yourselves look stupid.    You always swing to far in the other direction..."Pretty please".... ::)

How about abiding by international laws of war for a change.  All this "Cowboy mentality shit" weve been doing for 8 yrs has gotten us nowhere.

God forbid we try to be civil about this..... ::)

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Re: US decommissions term 'enemy combatant'
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2009, 12:40:56 AM »
Yeah because talking gets us places right...we "talked" to nK...they have nukes...we talked to Iran....they have nukes..we talked with the Germans..we got WW2...we talked with Saddam for 12  years and we got nowhere...we then decided to frog stomp him, problem solved. Sometimes, not every time, the only solution is a bullet. This happens to be the case with Islam. Dems are under the impression that people don't die for religouse purposes. Dems don't believe in evil..therefore they try and psycho analyze every nutbag that comes along. Maybe Bin Laden didn't get held enough or maybe we just don't understand their point of view. Fuck his point of view, for his followers, suicide bombing and death are a step up. We don't need direct action...kicking doors with everybody...but starving them out, undermining their government or whatever works.
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Re: US decommissions term 'enemy combatant'
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2009, 08:59:17 PM »
Yeah because talking gets us places right...we "talked" to nK...they have nukes...we talked to Iran....they have nukes..we talked with the Germans..we got WW2...we talked with Saddam for 12  years and we got nowhere...we then decided to frog stomp him, problem solved.

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Hahaha, not even close to problem solved.     More like a can of worms.


 Sometimes, not every time, the only solution is a bullet. This happens to be the case with Islam. Dems are under the impression that people don't die for religouse purposes.

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Everyone knows that they are yelling Gihad......this is why you cant win...BTW



Dems don't believe in evil..therefore they try and psycho analyze every nutbag that comes along. Maybe Bin Laden didn't get held enough or maybe we just don't understand their point of view. Fuck his point of view, for his followers, suicide bombing and death are a step up. We don't need direct action...kicking doors with everybody...but starving them out, undermining their government or whatever works.

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Re: US decommissions term 'enemy combatant'
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2009, 10:55:28 PM »
Yeah because talking gets us places right...we "talked" to nK...they have nukes...we talked to Iran....they have nukes..

bullshit.  bush isnt an appeaser.  you take that back.

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Re: US decommissions term 'enemy combatant'
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2009, 12:24:02 AM »
Yeah because talking gets us places right...we "talked" to nK...they have nukes...we talked to Iran....they have nukes..we talked with the Germans..we got WW2...we talked with Saddam for 12  years and we got nowhere...we then decided to frog stomp him, problem solved. Sometimes, not every time, the only solution is a bullet. This happens to be the case with Islam. Dems are under the impression that people don't die for religouse purposes. Dems don't believe in evil..therefore they try and psycho analyze every nutbag that comes along. Maybe Bin Laden didn't get held enough or maybe we just don't understand their point of view. Fuck his point of view, for his followers, suicide bombing and death are a step up. We don't need direct action...kicking doors with everybody...but starving them out, undermining their government or whatever works.

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Re: US decommissions term 'enemy combatant'
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2009, 02:41:15 AM »
Yeah because talking gets us places right...we "talked" to nK...they have nukes...we talked to Iran....they have nukes..we talked with the Germans..we got WW2...we talked with Saddam for 12  years and we got nowhere...we then decided to frog stomp him, problem solved. Sometimes, not every time, the only solution is a bullet. This happens to be the case with Islam. Dems are under the impression that people don't die for religouse purposes. Dems don't believe in evil..therefore they try and psycho analyze every nutbag that comes along. Maybe Bin Laden didn't get held enough or maybe we just don't understand their point of view. Fuck his point of view, for his followers, suicide bombing and death are a step up. We don't need direct action...kicking doors with everybody...but starving them out, undermining their government or whatever works.

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Re: US decommissions term 'enemy combatant'
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2009, 12:22:36 PM »
OK- Just so you morons know who is at Guantanamo, I am going to repeat it for the 100000th time. Guantanmo only houses NON US CITIZENS CAPTURED ON THE BATTLEFIELD.  So, lets be clear again- NO US CITIZENS CAN BE HELD @ GUANTANAMO PERIOD. The term enemy combatant goes back half a century and perhaps further . GWB didnt invent the term and neither did Dick Cheney. When German spies were attempting acts of sabatogue on US soil during WW2, they were considered ENEMY COMBATANTS. The only fucking reason Guantanmo is closing is because the braintrusts in our Supreme Court decided that Guantanamo is part of the US even though its technically Cuban land. Thats it, thats all. I urge people like 240 to try picking up a law book, or law journal or anything actually related to law and reading it closely before you comment on this stuff. Not only do most of you look like total fucking idiots, but your facts are 180 degrees in the wrong direction. Instead of posting every retarded thing you pick up from every left wing blog, why dont you try examining the truth of the matter for yourself. You dont even need to leave your house. Just do a search on lexis or westlaw. Hope this helps.