Author Topic: Oath Keepers: Declaration of Orders We Will Not Obey (Read 3257 times)

headhuntersix · « **Reply #25 on:** March 16, 2009, 01:58:35 AM »

I guess u would really have to frame it, why etc.....I will say no first but honestly what else has been happening. I think based on the fact that its in the Constitution, the circumstances would be beyond our imagining. Rounding up people, not as far fetched. We've done it before...average Americans more then likely no...but thats easier to imagine then taking guns.

headhuntersix · « **Reply #26 on:** March 16, 2009, 02:00:53 AM »

I hope thats as clear as mud.

I read alot of speculative fiction to pass the time on these trips so I can see some circumstances where rounding up people could happen. Disease, a terror attack....who knows. U understand that the US military is very very very pro gun as part of its make-up and there would be very few people who would do that. But again u would have to paint a senario.

headhuntersix · « **Reply #27 on:** March 16, 2009, 03:59:39 AM »

Yes I could see marshall law and u would have to agree in that particular senario it might even be called for. The rank and file of the police and military would do what they had to....even at a fast pace something like this would not look sinister unless somehow a smoking gun was found. I think u might not see it....u would see Bird flu but not the actors behind it....u'd see the event without the CT. 911 is different because the event happened, it was isolated and we responded. The same with Katrina...isolated act of God...response....etc etc. There wasn't looting in Detroit that corresponded with New Orleans. But with what ur talking about, we'd be overwhelmed. I think u'd see the balkanization of the country and the rest of the world would fall apart as a result of our abrogated responsibilities. Those who felt froggy would move...and the weaker countries would suffer. We saw this with the end of the Soviet Union and are still feeling it. Would we have had Desert Storm..would Iraq invaded Kuwait? That set the ball rolling for Bosnia and on and on.....

In the same vain I'm reading John Birmingham's " Without warning"....sci-fi/alt fiction that deals with the destruction of most of the US. It takes place in March of 2003 right as we are about to invade Kuwait. An event takes place that destroys much of the US. We're left with Alaska, some of Washington State, Hawaii and Gitmo...most of Cuba is gone. The event is a sort of heat curtain. We also have our entire military...which was getting ready to invade Iraq. Early on we decide thats not going to work but as we're moving out Iran attacks us. Some of the points he makes through various characters is that while many would celebrate the basic disappearence of the US, the rest of the world would soon find out that this is a bad idea. The heat curtain has caused almost a nuclear winter with all the burning particles in the air headed toward Europe. Thats where I"m at.

headhuntersix · « **Reply #28 on:** March 16, 2009, 04:06:16 AM »

Sorry about the long post...I love this book. Also I appear to still be alive in this timeline.

headhuntersix · « **Reply #29 on:** March 16, 2009, 05:13:52 AM »

Yep just like the late 70's and early 80's. I love post apocalpse novels and films. U had Jericho which was excellant and now NBC will have Year zero....

headhuntersix · « **Reply #30 on:** March 16, 2009, 05:37:15 AM »

Its like another universe or something....I hope this kind of stuff lasts, its better then the reality shit. I loved Jericho..which managed 2 seasons.

Eyeball Chambers · « **Reply #31 on:** March 16, 2009, 09:18:15 AM »

Turned into an interesting thread.

headhuntersix · « **Reply #32 on:** March 16, 2009, 10:14:13 PM »

Me and Hugo are civil when none of u can see...

headhuntersix · « **Reply #33 on:** March 17, 2009, 12:38:14 AM »

I don't know, here is my theory. I think they might have gone a different and bigger direction if they knew they had 3 years to build the mythology. The way they ended sorta sucked because they took the easy way. If I had 3 years I would not have tied it to domestic terrorism because thats too easy...u could have had foreign govs working with domestics..u had the Chinese angle...all of that was in season 1 and then they did the shortened season 2 and found a quick way to sorta wrap it up.

Slapper · « **Reply #34 on:** March 17, 2009, 04:58:01 AM »

Quote from: SAMSON123 on March 15, 2009, 06:03:17 PM

I keep hoping by prodding them enough with information they will wise up and change....I have my work cut out for me

Well... you can always give it a try, but their job is to obey their superiors, not to follow the Constitution. There have been instances in which US soldiers violated their oath and went on killing rampages, not because they wanted to mind you!, but because they were given orders to massacre innocent civilians (Viet Nam, Iraq, Korea, etc).

As far as rounding up of American citizens goes... it happens here in the USA all the time, it's called jails, and it's carried out by the people who "serve" the public, aka the police.

headhuntersix · « **Reply #35 on:** March 17, 2009, 05:01:17 AM »

Ok and thats the exception dude...No Gun Rhee...bullshit...Iraq ...when exactly did we do that. Civilians have been killed sure, but we have'nt gone on muderous rampages. Calley and his guys killed people, they weren't under orders. No Gun Rhee, they had good cause and guess what, the damm South Koreans did most of the shooting. I follow the Constitution.....Oh and I guess people shouldn't go to jail right.

Slapper · « **Reply #36 on:** March 17, 2009, 05:20:27 AM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on March 17, 2009, 05:01:17 AM

Ok and thats the exception dude...No Gun Rhee...bullshit...Iraq ...when exactly did we do that. Civilians have been killed sure, but we have'nt gone on muderous rampages. Calley and his guys killed people, they weren't under orders. No Gun Rhee, they had good cause and guess what, the damm South Koreans did most of the shooting. I follow the Constitution.....Oh and I guess people shouldn't go to jail right.

I have no fucking idea what you are trying to say. Say it clearly.

headhuntersix · « **Reply #37 on:** March 17, 2009, 06:06:18 AM »

I guess if u really understand the events u mentioned in ur original post..u could figure out what I posted. But in an effort to be clear. No Gun Ri or No Gun Rhee was mostly bullshit and the idiot that first brought the story to the always reliable AP...wasn't even fucking there. William Calley and his platoon commited an atrocity, that was stopped by other US troops...end of story. As for Iraq...what are u pointing to..Haditha, where the witness ginned up a story months after it was investigated by the Marines, and finally got Time to buy off on it as factual. They were all found not guilty. Do u know that most of the poster boys for the current and small anti-war movement have been found to be full of shit. Guys who never served in combat, guys who got bounced from the military before completing bootcamp, guys who lied about what they saw...the list is endless. And the best part about all these losers is that u can request their records under FOIA and bamm...its all black and white. The milbloggers are absolutley commited to making sure what happened after Vietnam will never happen now. We won't loose our honor to the liberal douchbags like in the 1970's.

SAMSON123 · « **Reply #38 on:** March 17, 2009, 08:25:36 AM »

Quote from: Slapper on March 17, 2009, 05:20:27 AM

I have no fucking idea what you are trying to say. Say it clearly.

This is the normal reaction people have when trying to read post by headhunter6. He is a BURN OUT SHELL SHOT vet going in circles and taking pills to make sure he does not dream or live in the real world. Don't expect to ever get rational intelligent repsonses

Hereford · « **Reply #39 on:** March 17, 2009, 09:07:52 AM »

Quote from: SAMSON123 on March 17, 2009, 08:25:36 AM

This is the normal reaction people have when trying to read post by headhunter6. He is a BURN OUT SHELL SHOT vet going in circles and taking pills to make sure he does not dream or live in the real world. Don't expect to ever get rational intelligent repsonses

HH please speak in ebonics so Samsom and Slapper can understand.

Thank you.

Slapper · « **Reply #40 on:** March 17, 2009, 12:50:52 PM »

Quote from: SAMSON123 on March 17, 2009, 08:25:36 AM

This is the normal reaction people have when trying to read post by headhunter6. He is a BURN OUT SHELL SHOT vet going in circles and taking pills to make sure he does not dream or live in the real world. Don't expect to ever get rational intelligent repsonses

Yeah, I get that all the time. I mean, he's explained his point and I STILL can't figure out what he's trying to say. He's got the the ability, speech-wise, of a Tarzan. Even Cheeta would've gone like "Gumbah, what the hell are you trying to tell me?"...

headhuntersix · « **Reply #41 on:** March 17, 2009, 01:36:59 PM »

Yeah...ok dipshit. Samson doesn't understand because he's a 3rd world retard. I have no idea what ur excuse is. Oh and Samson...I don't pop pills nor am I "BURN OUT SHELL SHOT" , which I take to mean "shell shocked". I would have to guess that u managed to drag that one up from "Patton" or some old Vietnam movie. U guys love to make claims about crap u've neither experienced or in this case researched and when confronted with facts u jerk each other off about my post not making sense. How about the facts. U mentioned Iraq,Vietnam and Korea...I detailed how u happen to be full of shit as usual. SAMSON tried this crap with the Falklands and was smoked, with no response.

Slapper · « **Reply #42 on:** March 17, 2009, 02:21:51 PM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on March 17, 2009, 06:06:18 AM

I guess if u really understand the events u mentioned in ur original post..u could figure out what I posted. But in an effort to be clear. No Gun Ri or No Gun Rhee was mostly bullshit and the idiot that first brought the story to the always reliable AP...wasn't even fucking there.

Ok... So it doesn't matter that president Clinton issued a Statement of Regret on the issue and that the joint investigation between the South Koreans and the Americans came to the conclusion that the American soldiers had caused a massacre. Even though the investigation came to the conclusion that yes, Americans used civilians as human shields, called, repeatedly, for air strikes against civilians and eventually fired at civilians it does not matter to you. What matters is that the jerkoff that broke the story to AP lied and therefore the story must be a lie.

The question here is: Did American soldiers fire at innocent civilians at No Gin Ri? The answer is YES. 248 people gunned down... maybe not in cold blood, maybe without orders from above, but killed nonetheless. What really strikes me as "odd" is how come none of these "American" soldiers never brought the story forth...

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William Calley and his platoon committed an atrocity, that was stopped by other US troops...end of story.

End of story?? I'm speechless.

Calley's actions were in no way an isolated incident. YOU SHOULD FUCKING KNOW THAT. Take the CIA and Operation Phoenix for example. OP was a program developed in 1953 to torture and murder civilians in Vietnam. It ain't no secret. According to an army report discused in detail in this website, American soldiers committed 820 atrocities in just a 2 day period.

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As for Iraq...what are u pointing to..Haditha, where the witness ginned up a story months after it was investigated by the Marines, and finally got Time to buy off on it as factual. They were all found not guilty. Do u know that most of the poster boys for the current and small anti-war movement have been found to be full of shit. Guys who never served in combat, guys who got bounced from the military before completing bootcamp, guys who lied about what they saw...the list is endless. And the best part about all these losers is that u can request their records under FOIA and bamm...its all black and white. The milbloggers are absolutley committed to making sure what happened after Vietnam will never happen now. We won't loose our honor to the liberal douchbags like in the 1970's

As far as Iraq goes...

MSNBC.
USA Today.
More.
People killed in Fallujah by "frying" the person with white phosphorus (warning, strong images).

I could just post many more links to atrocities committed by other bodies of the US government, like the 1,000,000+ killed by the US government-imposed sanctions. Deaths Albright knew about very well and described as "terrible casualty"... all in your and my name! Can you fucking believe that?!

I mean, I don't want to sound like I am blaming the soldiers for this. Soldiers are being put in harm's way all the time now and some react in the most horrific ways imaginable. I do REFUSE to believe there is NO order from above though. For example, I seriously believe the following chick forced all those Iraqis to pose naked for the camera. I'll bet my left nut there were orders from above to carry out such an operation. Yet, the stupid idiot got set up and was served in a silver platter for all to see as the face of the crime, when we all know there was HIGHER UP involvement here:

And it's the same in every massacre, every rape, every shot in the head. Whoever is putting you in spot x is doing so because he/she knows it is going to piss off people y and it is going to evolve into ugly situation z. How you react to situation z is what defines whether you are a soldier defending your own life or a stone-cold killer in a uniform. DO NOT for a second forget who the fuck put you in that spot though.

SAMSON123 · « **Reply #43 on:** March 17, 2009, 02:43:48 PM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on March 17, 2009, 01:36:59 PM

Yeah...ok dipshit. Samson doesn't understand because he's a 3rd world retard. I have no idea what ur excuse is. Oh and Samson...I don't pop pills nor am I "BURN OUT SHELL SHOT" , which I take to mean "shell shocked". I would have to guess that u managed to drag that one up from "Patton" or some old Vietnam movie. U guys love to make claims about crap u've neither experienced or in this case researched and when confronted with facts u jerk each other off about my post not making sense. How about the facts. U mentioned Iraq,Vietnam and Korea...I detailed how u happen to be full of shit as usual. SAMSON tried this crap with the Falklands and was smoked, with no response.

When I am right there is no need to continue the discussion. i guess with your SHELL SHOCKED state you find it hard to discern when a person has made a credible point and no longer wishes to foolishly argue..... By the way HH6 didi you ever see a movie called Jacob's Ladder about individuals like yourself who come back from combat mentally deranged....?

headhuntersix · « **Reply #44 on:** March 17, 2009, 04:02:04 PM »

U realize that jacobs ladder was a horror movie right, and not real. Slapper....they have no idea how many people might have died at No Gun ri...and when u have nKorean saboteurs mixed with civilians..what exactly are u supposed to do..its war not XBox or liberal fuzzy bunny land. My dad was a B-52 pilot with 2 1/2 years in Vietnam and bombed the dogshit out of the north...it was a war. I'm not a lib and my hearts deosn't bleed...Abu garib was bad because it got out and caused more violence and hurt more US soldiers. Nobody died in Abu garib or was even seriously injured. Their pride was hurt...big friggen deal. Saddam used to power tool people in that prison and the Iraqi gov does much worse things there now, as they regained control of the place.

SAMSON123 · « **Reply #45 on:** March 17, 2009, 09:13:21 PM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on March 17, 2009, 04:02:04 PM

U realize that jacobs ladder was a horror movie right, and not real. Slapper....they have no idea how many people might have died at No Gun ri...and when u have nKorean saboteurs mixed with civilians..what exactly are u supposed to do..its war not XBox or liberal fuzzy bunny land. My dad was a B-52 pilot with 2 1/2 years in Vietnam and bombed the dogshit out of the north...it was a war. I'm not a lib and my hearts deosn't bleed...Abu garib was bad because it got out and caused more violence and hurt more US soldiers. Nobody died in Abu garib or was even seriously injured. Their pride was hurt...big friggen deal. Saddam used to power tool people in that prison and the Iraqi gov does much worse things there now, as they regained control of the place.

You clearly need to get to the Vet Admin hospital ASAP...Jacob's Ladder was based on facts..If you watched the movie you would have known that, being that it is said at the end of the movie. I guess you have been exposed to BZ as well...Poor guy..Shell Shot, Agent Orange, PTSD, Deranged, Druggie...I am starting to feel sorry for you now...

headhuntersix · « **Reply #46 on:** March 18, 2009, 03:47:29 AM »

Which part..the monsters or when he woke up and found out he died in Vietnam.....christ ur an idiot. We don't use agent orange anymore...turns out there aren't alot of trees in the desert ...still not sure what shell shot is....and dude u could be on fire and I still wouldn't feel sorry for ya so don't waste ur time.

SAMSON123 · « **Reply #47 on:** March 18, 2009, 08:03:12 AM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on March 18, 2009, 03:47:29 AM

Which part..the monsters or when he woke up and found out he died in Vietnam.....christ ur an idiot. We don't use agent orange anymore...turns out there aren't alot of trees in the desert ...still not sure what shell shot is....and dude u could be on fire and I still wouldn't feel sorry for ya so don't waste ur time.

Which part???...what are you talking about? All parts of the movie was based on fact...IT WAS NOT A HORROR MOVIE.
america does not use agent orange in IRAQ to defoliate as there is no vegetation, but america does use agent orange (as a nerve agent), white phosphorus, depleted uranium, numerous chemical and biological agents with some of the main biological contaminants being cholera and typhus to infect/harm populations and kill the Iraqi and I am sure the Afghan.

Your efforts to argue are wasted HH6. You severely lack knowledge of the american military, you babble senselessly, you come across as I have said earlier as SHELL SHOT/SHOCKED, definitely in need of a vet hospital to treat your issues and a psychiatrist to de-program you....

Slapper · « **Reply #48 on:** March 21, 2009, 05:53:32 AM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on March 17, 2009, 04:02:04 PM

U realize that jacobs ladder was a horror movie right, and not real. Slapper....they have no idea how many people might have died at No Gun ri...and when u have nKorean saboteurs mixed with civilians..what exactly are u supposed to do..its war not XBox or liberal fuzzy bunny land. My dad was a B-52 pilot with 2 1/2 years in Vietnam and bombed the dogshit out of the north...it was a war. I'm not a lib and my hearts deosn't bleed...Abu garib was bad because it got out and caused more violence and hurt more US soldiers. Nobody died in Abu garib or was even seriously injured.[...]

WHAT?!

OH-MY-FUCKING-GOD!!

At least do yourself a favor and do a google search for "Abu Ghraib & torture" or "deaths in Abu Ghraib". Because I DO SEARCH FOR INFORMATION!

headhuntersix · « **Reply #49 on:** March 21, 2009, 07:59:45 AM »

Quote from: SAMSON123 on March 18, 2009, 08:03:12 AM

Which part???...what are you talking about? All parts of the movie was based on fact...IT WAS NOT A HORROR MOVIE.
america does not use agent orange in IRAQ to defoliate as there is no vegetation, but america does use agent orange (as a nerve agent), white phosphorus, depleted uranium, numerous chemical and biological agents with some of the main biological contaminants being cholera and typhus to infect/harm populations and kill the Iraqi and I am sure the Afghan.

Your efforts to argue are wasted HH6. You severely lack knowledge of the american military, you babble senselessly, you come across as I have said earlier as SHELL SHOT/SHOCKED, definitely in need of a vet hospital to treat your issues and a psychiatrist to de-program you....

Hey didpshit u realize I'm active duty and have been for over 16 years right.......ur an epic moron. Agent Orange isn't even in the inventory anymore and is not now nor has it ever been a nerve agent. Do u even know what a nerve agent is. If something takes 20 years to kill u, is it really that affective. Again ur an idiot. White phosphorus...do u have any idea what we use that for....its not a chemical weapon and neither is DU. I'm a fucking tanker and know infinitly more about DU rounds then u do. We have never used bio agents against anybody..so I'd ask u top provide proof. Please crawl back into ur hut before I call an arty strike on ur 3rd world ass.