Vegetarians 'get fewer cancers', but have higher rate of colorectal cancer

[loco]

BBC NEWS
Monday, 16 March 2009

A vegetarian diet may help to protect against cancer, a UK study suggests.

Analysis of data from 52,700 men and women shows that those who did not eat meat had significantly fewer cancers overall than those who did.

But surprisingly, the researchers also found a higher rate of colorectal cancer - a disease linked with eating red meat - among the vegetarians.

Writing in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition the team said the findings were worth looking into.

Although it is widely recommended that people eat five portions of fruit and vegetables a day to reduce their risk of cancer and other diseases, there is very little evidence looking specifically at a vegetarian diet.

In the latest study, researchers looked at men and women aged 20 to 89 recruited in the UK in the 1990s.

They divided participants into meat-eaters, fish-eaters, vegetarians and vegans.

During follow-up there were fewer cancers than would be expected in the general population - probably because they were a healthier than average group of people.

But there was a significantly lower incidence of all cancers among the fish-eaters and vegetarians compared with the meat eaters.

'Confusion'

For colorectal cancer, however that trend was reversed with vegetarians having a significantly higher incidence of the condition than the other groups.

The researchers were surprised at the finding, which contradicts previous evidence linking eating lots of red meat with the disease.

Study leader Professor Tim Key, a Cancer Research UK epidemiologist at the University of Oxford, said no previous study had looked at diet in this way and there had been a lot of confusion about the issue.

"It's interesting - it suggests there might be some reduction in cancers in vegetarians and fish-eaters and we need to look carefully at that."

He added: "It doesn't support the idea that vegetarians would have lower rates of colorectal cancer and I think it means we need to think more carefully about how meat fits into it."

More work is needed to unpick the links between diet and cancer but such studies are incredibly hard to do, he said.

Dr Joanne Lunn, a senior nutrition scientist at the British Nutrition Foundation, said the findings highlight the fact that cancer is a complex disease and many different lifestyle factors play a part in determining a person's risk.

"An interesting observation was that the vegetarians had a higher rate of colorectal cancer than the meat-eaters.

"When you look at the detail of their diets, the meat-eaters, to which the vegetarians in this group were compared, are eating only moderate amounts of meat each day - well within the recommendations.

"Both groups are also just about meeting the recommendation to eat at least 5 portions of fruits and vegetables a day."

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[DK II]

That's because vegetarians are gay and take it up the ass.

Real men eat meat and die from cancer or bullet wounds.

[loco]

That's because vegetarians are gay and take it up the ass.

Real men eat meat and die from cancer or bullet wounds.

 

Well, they do have less testosterone because they consume far less saturated fats and cholesterol.

And they do have far more estrogen because they tend to consume lots of soy products.

[DK II]

Well, they do have less testosterone because they consume far less saturated fats and cholesterol.

And they do have far more estrogen because they tend to consume lots of soy products.

They also have much more estrogen because they tend to bitch about killing animals and whine about people that eat meat all day.

Vegetarians = pussies.

[suckmymuscle]

That's because vegetarians are gay and take it up the ass.

Real men eat meat and die from cancer or bullet wounds.

  Careful there. You are almost entering trolling territory...

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

  "DonkeyKong" and "loco", please stick to the topic of the thread without resorting to trolling. I am asking nicely. Thank you.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[MCWAY]

They also have much more estrogen because they tend to bitch about killing animals and whine about people that eat meat all day.

Vegetarians = pussies.

You mean like 4-time Mr. Universe (and professional strongman) Bill Pearl?

Or, former IFBB Mr. International, Andreas Cahling?

Or the late former Mr. America, Roy Hiligen, who often embarrassed his meat-eating counterparts by OUTLIFTING them (after they made some of the same comments that you just made, regarding his vegetarianism)?

Well, they do have less testosterone because they consume far less saturated fats and cholesterol.

And they do have far more estrogen because they tend to consume lots of soy products.

Not necessarily true, Loco!! The aforementioned Pearl and Cahling consumed plenty of soy, back in the day. It's safe to say that they have enough testosterone to get the job done.

[loco]

  "DonkeyKong" and "loco", please stick to the topic of the thread without resorting to trolling. I am asking nicely. Thank you.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Trolling?  Isn't it true that vegetarians have less test in their blood?  Isn't it true that soy products increase estrogen in men?

[loco]

Not necessarily true, Loco!! The aforementioned Pearl and Cahling consumed plenty of soy, back in the day. It's safe to say that they have enough testosterone to get the job done.

My comment was only a response to DonkeyKong in good fun and humor. 

Yeah, Pearl and Cahling are two of my favorite, old time bodybuilders.  Pearl was already a pro and he was huge before he became a vegetarian, but I believe Cahling was a vegetarian from the beginning and he was pretty big too. 

But they both used anabolic steroids.  My comment applies only to men who do not use steroids.

[haider]

Well, they do have less testosterone because they consume far less saturated fats and cholesterol.

And they do have far more estrogen because they tend to consume lots of soy products.

is it really that significant?

[loco]

is it really that significant?

I don't know...it's just stuff I've read.  It has been discussed on the board before.

But as I told MCWAY, this applies only to men who do not use steroids.  For women and for steroid users, the rules change.

[MuscleMcMannus]

Bill Pearl was not a strict vegetarian he was a lacto-ovo vegetarian i.e. consumed eggs and dairy products. 

[MCWAY]

Bill Pearl was not a strict vegetarian he was a lacto-ovo vegetarian i.e. consumed eggs and dairy products. 

That is a strict vegetarian. He wasn’t a vegan, someone who consumes no animal products at all.

I don't know...it's just stuff I've read.  It has been discussed on the board before.

But as I told MCWAY, this applies only to men who do not use steroids.  For women and for steroid users, the rules change.

Pearl claimed that he stopped using steroids in 1963 and had not used them, since that time. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, that counts as “natural” to me. And, he was a vegetarian, when he reached his all-time best of 241 lb., on his way to winning his fourth Mr. Universe title.

[MuscleMcMannus]

That is a strict vegetarian. He wasn’t a vegan, someone who consumes no animal products at all.

Pearl claimed that he stopped using steroids in 1963 and had not used them, since that time. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, that counts as “natural” to me. And, he was a vegetarian, when he reached his all-time best of 241 lb., on his way to winning his fourth Mr. Universe title.

Yes but you like most people when you emphasize vegetarian you give the impression he was a vegan.  So you should use the world lacto-ovo instead of the generic term "vegetarian".  Being able to eat dairy products an egg products and chicken makes a HUGE difference than someone who is more strictly vegan.  Bill put on upwards of 30+lbs diong "Nilevar".  Whether he was on or not leading up to the his 4th title that does not consitute as natural to me nor most people.  Bill is notorious like most of his era for downplaying his use of steroids. 

[MB_722]

 

[suckmymuscle]

Trolling?  Isn't it true that vegetarians have less test in their blood?  Isn't it true that soy products increase estrogen in men?

  You responded to a trolling post with a grin and a serious answer. That is aiding in trolling. Anyway, I'm just reminding you to keep it on topic. I haven't edited or deleted your post.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[MCWAY]

Yes but you like most people when you emphasize vegetarian you give the impression he was a vegan.  So you should use the world lacto-ovo instead of the generic term "vegetarian".  Being able to eat dairy products an egg products and chicken makes a HUGE difference than someone who is more strictly vegan.  Bill put on upwards of 30+lbs diong "Nilevar".  Whether he was on or not leading up to the his 4th title that does not consitute as natural to me nor most people.  Bill is notorious like most of his era for downplaying his use of steroids. 

No I don't. That's why I used the terms "vegetarian" and "vegan". Furthermore, folks who eat chicken aren't vegetarians, as the term is defined as people who abstain from eating meat (animal flesh). Having grown up around vegetarians and vegans, I know the difference between the two.

When I first started lifting weights, I did so on a vegetarian diet. And, I put on about 21 lbs. I consumed eggs and milk but I ate no meat during that time.

As for Pearl's natural status, that's always a subject of conjecture, based on (if nothing else) people's definition of the term. To those who feel that any steroid use disqualifies you from being natural, that title doesn't fit him.

I'm not one of those people. If he used anabolics for 5 years and has been off them for at least that amount of time (or more), I consider him a "natural" bodybuilder. Regardless, he won that 4th Mr. Universe as a vegetarian.

Most vegans I know didn't just jump to that. They went from being meat-eaters to vegetarians and then to vegans. It's a lot easier to be a vegan now than it was, say, 20 years ago. There are so many vegan foods. Plus, the variety of supplements have increased drastically. They have soy protein powder and wheat isolate powders at GNC. Other health food stores sell pea protein powder and rice protein powder as well.

As long as you know which veggies and grains to combine, you can get the complete proteins you need to grow. The biggest issue is quantity. While the powders help tremendously with that, the task still remains on mixing the right foods for quality and variety (you can only do beans and rice for so long, before you go nuts).

[MuscleMcMannus]

No I don't. That's why I used the terms "vegetarian" and "vegan". Furthermore, folks who eat chicken aren't vegetarians, as the term is defined as people who abstain from eating meat (animal flesh). Having grown up around vegetarians and vegans, I know the difference between the two.

When I first started lifting weights, I did so on a vegetarian diet. And, I put on about 21 lbs. I consumed eggs and milk but I ate no meat during that time.

As for Pearl's natural status, that's always a subject of conjecture, based on (if nothing else) people's definition of the term. To those who feel that any steroid use disqualifies you from being natural, that title doesn't fit him.

I'm not one of those people. If he used anabolics for 5 years and has been off them for at least that amount of time (or more), I consider him a "natural" bodybuilder. Regardless, he won that 4th Mr. Universe as a vegetarian.

Most vegans I know didn't just jump to that. They went from being meat-eaters to vegetarians and then to vegans. It's a lot easier to be a vegan now than it was, say, 20 years ago. There are so many vegan foods. Plus, the variety of supplements have increased drastically. They have soy protein powder and wheat isolate powders at GNC. Other health food stores sell pea protein powder and rice protein powder as well.

As long as you know which veggies and grains to combine, you can get the complete proteins you need to grow. The biggest issue is quantity. While the powders help tremendously with that, the task still remains on mixing the right foods for quality and variety (you can only do beans and rice for so long, before you go nuts).

First off you put on 21lbs because you were new to lifting weights.  It had very little to do with the fact that you didn't eat meat.  Secondly, vegetarians are no more healthier than their meat eating counterparts.  I NEVER seen a healthy looking vegan in my life.  Especially females.  There is something about vegetarians and vegans that just never seem healthy.  Something about their skin, their hair, etc.  The human body was NEVER meant to be a vegan or a vegetarian.  Are entire digestion system is set up to eat meat and flesh.  Now you can debate me whether or not that system was set up to eat raw food vs. cooked food.  The most vocal proponent from the vegetarian and running movement, forget his name dropped dead from a heart attack at an early age if I remember correctly?  Indigenous cultures all over the world for thousands of years ate meat, dairy products, grains etc.  While there were lots of cultures that didn't rely or eat much meat there is no historical precedent of vegans in any part of history.  Most cultures had some sort of "animal product" and in my opinion eggs and milk are animal products.  Vegetarians and vegans are annoying.  The only argument I can agree with is the political arguments of being a vegan or vegetarian because the health arguments are bullshit.  A raw food diet consisting of raw meat, raw dairy, raw eggs, and everything else raw is FAR superior than a vegan/vegetarian diet.  The only reason vegetarians appear to be heallt

[DK II]

First off you put on 21lbs because you were new to lifting weights.  It had very little to do with the fact that you didn't eat meat.  Secondly, vegetarians are no more healthier than their meat eating counterparts.  I NEVER seen a healthy looking vegan in my life.  Especially females.  There is something about vegetarians and vegans that just never seem healthy.  Something about their skin, their hair, etc.  The human body was NEVER meant to be a vegan or a vegetarian.  Are entire digestion system is set up to eat meat and flesh.  Now you can debate me whether or not that system was set up to eat raw food vs. cooked food.  The most vocal proponent from the vegetarian and running movement, forget his name dropped dead from a heart attack at an early age if I remember correctly?  Indigenous cultures all over the world for thousands of years ate meat, dairy products, grains etc.  While there were lots of cultures that didn't rely or eat much meat there is no historical precedent of vegans in any part of history.  Most cultures had some sort of "animal product" and in my opinion eggs and milk are animal products.  Vegetarians and vegans are annoying.  The only argument I can agree with is the political arguments of being a vegan or vegetarian because the health arguments are bullshit.  A raw food diet consisting of raw meat, raw dairy, raw eggs, and everything else raw is FAR superior than a vegan/vegetarian diet.  The only reason vegetarians appear to be heallt

qft, good post.

[webcake]

You actually concume raw meats?

[DK II]

You actually concume raw meats?

There's actually nothing wrong with concuming raw meats.

[webcake]

There's actually nothing wrong with concuming raw meats.

Red meat perhaps.......i wouldn't eat raw chicken if you paid me.

[MuscleMcMannus]

Red meat perhaps.......i wouldn't eat raw chicken if you paid me.

Actually I eat raw dairy, eggs, and beef on a daily basis.  Chicken raw tastes much better than raw beef.  I'd say for me raw eggs are challenging to get down on a daily basis.  But my health and my energy and overall well being have never been better.  I started drinking raw milk well over two years ago.  Haven't been sick since. 

[webcake]

Actually I eat raw dairy, eggs, and beef on a daily basis.  Chicken raw tastes much better than raw beef.  I'd say for me raw eggs are challenging to get down on a daily basis.  But my health and my energy and overall well being have never been better.  I started drinking raw milk well over two years ago.  Haven't been sick since. 

I can't eat raw eggs, the texture/sensation makes me want to projectile vomit all over the floor. Although before bed now i have a decent amount of milk and crack a few raw eggs in that and shake it up good.

I've heard about the "raw food diet", and sometimes i have raw veggies, but i haven't been able to bring myself to eat raw meat.

I guess i'm too paranoid about eating meats raw, salmonella and all that shit.....

[MuscleMcMannus]

I can't eat raw eggs, the texture/sensation makes me want to projectile vomit all over the floor. Although before bed now i have a decent amount of milk and crack a few raw eggs in that and shake it up good.

I've heard about the "raw food diet", and sometimes i have raw veggies, but i haven't been able to bring myself to eat raw meat.

I guess i'm too paranoid about eating meats raw, salmonella and all that shit.....

Yeah I used to combine raw eggs and with milk but it would always seem to make my stomach knot up.  So I quit mixing the two and just swallow a couple raw and chase it with some water but there have been times where I feel like I want to vomit LMAO!.