i spoke to jay at the 2000 nats in ny and asked him a few questions about the juice,he was pretty cool and open about it,i told him about the cycle i was on and asked his opinion of how long should i stay on,he told me in a serious face,why come off?your only doin 500mgs of sust a week,500mgs of deca a week,300mgs of prop a week and 5 dbol aday,his words where(keep the train runnin)i laughed and said thanks for the info and took a few pics with him and stepped off.hes a really cool guy to his fans,i didnt keep the train runnin and did my usuall 12 to 16 weeks,i might need my organs later in life,lol