Author Topic: gitmo prisoners set free in the US????? (Read 1730 times)

tonymctones · « **on:** March 18, 2009, 06:43:08 PM »

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090318/us_nm/us_guantanamo_holder

Holder told reporters at the Justice Department that the administration's review, made on a case-by-case basis, would determine whether the prisoners need to be put on trial or whether they can be released.

"For those who are in that second category, who can be released, there are a variety of options that we have. Among them is the possibility that we could release them into this country," he said.

Holder said it was possible the 17 Chinese Muslims who have been held for years at Guantanamo, and two or three others prisoners, could be freed in the United States.

It would be funny if it wasnt true......

tonymctones · « **Reply #1 on:** March 18, 2009, 09:05:56 PM »

CRICKETS

tonymctones · « **Reply #2 on:** March 18, 2009, 09:22:43 PM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on March 18, 2009, 09:18:06 PM

oh bullshit, someone is just stiring shit.

LOL did you read the link hugo, barry wants some european countries to take some of them and they feel that they shouldnt if we dont. You dont think barry will allow this? Im glad that at least you posted on this

Straw Man · « **Reply #3 on:** March 18, 2009, 09:25:59 PM »

Quote from: tonymctones on March 18, 2009, 09:05:56 PM

CRICKETS

what course of action do you recommend?

tonymctones · « **Reply #4 on:** March 18, 2009, 09:29:18 PM »

Quote from: Straw Man on March 18, 2009, 09:25:59 PM

what course of action do you recommend?

NOT CLOSING IT DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Straw Man · « **Reply #5 on:** March 18, 2009, 09:59:23 PM »

Quote from: tonymctones on March 18, 2009, 09:29:18 PM

NOT CLOSING IT DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

can't we just process criminals in our existing system?

tonymctones · « **Reply #6 on:** March 18, 2009, 10:11:00 PM »

Quote from: Straw Man on March 18, 2009, 09:59:23 PM

can't we just process criminals in our existing system?

NO, their crimes did not take place in our current system so they are outside our current system

Straw Man · « **Reply #7 on:** March 18, 2009, 10:14:07 PM »

Quote from: tonymctones on March 18, 2009, 10:11:00 PM

NO, their crimes did not take place in our current system so they are outside our current system

so we as a Country exist

but the Crimes agaist our Country exist outside of our legal system?

tonymctones · « **Reply #8 on:** March 18, 2009, 10:26:20 PM »

Quote from: Straw Man on March 18, 2009, 10:14:07 PM

so we as a Country exist

but the Crimes agaist our Country exist outside of our legal system?

the crimes against our country that take place outside of our country, yes

also this is an entirely different situation, this is a WAR

Straw Man · « **Reply #9 on:** March 18, 2009, 10:36:09 PM »

Quote from: tonymctones on March 18, 2009, 10:26:20 PM

the crimes against our country that take place outside of our country, yes

also this is an entirely different situation, this is a WAR

WAR ?

different?

do I need to actually list the wars?

tonymctones · « **Reply #10 on:** March 18, 2009, 10:44:49 PM »

Quote from: Straw Man on March 18, 2009, 10:36:09 PM

WAR ?

different?

do I need to actually list the wars?

for what? my point as im sure you know is that certain actions done in the middle of a war is different then the same action done in normal everyday life in society. At any rate you missed the preceding point to that and that is that these crimes didnt take place in the US against civilians which negates them being tried in a US civilian criminal court.

Straw Man · « **Reply #11 on:** March 18, 2009, 10:47:18 PM »

Quote from: tonymctones on March 18, 2009, 10:44:49 PM

for what? my point as im sure you know is that certain actions done in the middle of a war is different then the same action done in normal everyday life in society. At any rate you missed the preceding point to that and that is that these crimes didnt take place in the US against civilians which negates them being tried in a US civilian criminal court.

I don't follow your argument about a war

what country are we fighting?

how are we defining war?

if we're just fighting religious nutbags please tell me where to sign up

tonymctones · « **Reply #12 on:** March 18, 2009, 10:52:21 PM »

Quote from: Straw Man on March 18, 2009, 10:47:18 PM

I don't follow your argument about a war

what country are we fighting?

how are we defining war?

if we're just fighting religious nutbags please tell me where to sign up

we were fighting iraq and now more fighting in afghanistan. LOL war or no war, whether we are at war or not

isnt as important as the fact that these crimes didnt take place inside the US and arent subject to our civilian legal system.

Straw Man · « **Reply #13 on:** March 18, 2009, 10:58:27 PM »

Quote from: tonymctones on March 18, 2009, 10:52:21 PM

we were fighting iraq and now more fighting in afghanistan. LOL war or no war, whether we are at war or not isnt as important as the fact that these crimes didnt take place inside the US and arent subject to our civilian legal system.

I wasn't aware we had declared war on Iraq or them on us

hopefully we can topple the govt in Iraq and replace them with a govt. friendly to the USA

or at least friendly to Iran

no, wait

scratch that

Straw Man · « **Reply #14 on:** March 18, 2009, 11:02:38 PM »

Quote from: tonymctones on March 18, 2009, 10:44:49 PM

for what? my point as im sure you know is that certain actions done in the middle of a war is different then the same action done in normal everyday life in society. At any rate you missed the preceding point to that and that is that these crimes didnt take place in the US against civilians which negates them being tried in a US civilian criminal court.

in what dimension do these crimes exist and how does the USA claim authority?

we all surely agree the USA exists

where do these crimes against the USA exist?

tonymctones · « **Reply #15 on:** March 18, 2009, 11:06:20 PM »

Quote from: Straw Man on March 18, 2009, 11:02:38 PM

in what dimension do these crimes exist and how does the USA claim authority?

we all surely agree the USA exists

where do these crimes against the USA exist?

well i would think they exist in the arena of military law as the action occured in a military arena...In what dimension do these crimes exist in the US and how is the UNITED STATES CIVILIAN legal system the appropriate arena to charge them in?

There is an entire military justice system set up why would you think these ppl should be tried as US civilians in the civilian US legal system as opposed to "enemy combatants" or whatever barry wants to call them now in the military system?

tonymctones · « **Reply #16 on:** March 18, 2009, 11:08:12 PM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on March 18, 2009, 11:04:10 PM

bullshit, just letting them go on the streets is a load of made up crap. You said "set free" You couldn't even legally do that with a person from Afganistan that wasn't even a terrorist. They're not just going to turn these guys loose in America and if they do, it's a CIA style mindfuck. I didn't read it because it sounds retarded.

From the link, again did you read it?

Holder told reporters at the Justice Department that the administration's review, made on a case-by-case basis, would determine whether the prisoners need to be put on trial or whether they can be released.

"For those who are in that second category, who can be released, there are a variety of options that we have. Among them is the possibility that we could release them into this country," he said.

Holder said it was possible the 17 Chinese Muslims who have been held for years at Guantanamo, and two or three others prisoners, could be freed in the United States.[/glow]

Straw Man · « **Reply #17 on:** March 18, 2009, 11:13:00 PM »

Quote from: tonymctones on March 18, 2009, 11:06:20 PM

well i would think they exist in the arena of military law as the action occured in a military arena...In what dimension do these crimes exist in the US and how is the UNITED STATES CIVILIAN legal system the appropriate arena to charge them in?

There is an entire military justice system set up why would you think these ppl should be tried as US civilians in the civilian US legal system as opposed to "enemy combatants" or whatever barry wants to call them now in the military system?

I'm not aware of the entire military justice system

how does this fit in relation to national (US) and international law?

tonymctones · « **Reply #18 on:** March 18, 2009, 11:16:05 PM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on March 18, 2009, 11:09:54 PM

You didn't read what I wrote, I said I didn't read it! It's retarded! So since you are so fond of not reading what I write, why should I give a crap about reading your posts?

b/c you were asserting that this shit was made up and i was posting a DIRECT FUKING QUOTE...LOL

It is SERIOUSLY RETARDED i agree but that makes the whole situation all the worse b/c its TRUE

tonymctones · « **Reply #19 on:** March 18, 2009, 11:23:12 PM »

Quote from: Straw Man on March 18, 2009, 11:13:00 PM

I'm not aware of the entire military justice system

how does this fit in relation to national (US) and international law?

research it im not sure of the in's and out's of the laws, again why would you think these ppl should be tried as US civilians in the civilian US legal system as opposed to "enemy combatants" or whatever barry wants to call them now in the military system or international system?

Dos Equis · « **Reply #20 on:** March 19, 2009, 12:17:04 AM »

What in the world . . . You gotta be kidding me. Release foreign suspected terrorists in this country? They must be high. If they can't be prosecuted they should be returned to whatever country in which they are citizens.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #21 on:** March 19, 2009, 12:22:44 AM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on March 19, 2009, 12:18:03 AM

it's bullshit.

It certainly is.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #22 on:** March 19, 2009, 12:28:58 AM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on March 19, 2009, 12:24:20 AM

no, it's not going to happen kind of bullshit.

It won't happen because the public outrage will be too great. They're not that stupid. But what an outrageous thing to even float.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #23 on:** March 19, 2009, 12:39:45 AM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on March 19, 2009, 12:33:16 AM

reading the article, it looks like reporters pushed the angle. He probably said it's a possibility because nothing is impossible. The article also says it doesn't mean they would just be free on the streets.

I'm not about to try and justify the man's comments. Inexcusable. I'll chalk it up to a rookie mistake, but what a frightening thing for the AG to say. $:-\$

Dos Equis · « **Reply #24 on:** March 19, 2009, 12:49:16 AM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on March 19, 2009, 12:40:37 AM

yea, he should have just said he doesn't recall

He's going to get fired just like Gonzales if he keeps this up.