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Re: House passes bill taxing Wall Street bonuses
« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2009, 03:23:27 PM »
I could see that but seeing as different judges inturpret the same laws differently the only person really qualified to give a difinitive answer would be the judge/judges overseeing the sure to be pending law suit.

That is why Geithner knew that these bonuses had to be given out.  Dodd, Geithner, and Obama knew that lawsuits would be filed if they tried to stop this.

I dont blame AIG one bit, they are alcoholics in this, I blema the govt for not forcing AIG to declare Chapter 11.

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Re: House passes bill taxing Wall Street bonuses
« Reply #26 on: March 19, 2009, 03:23:55 PM »
There's also some uncomfortable money connections between AIG and the politicians.
Very well put.
There may be no funky business at all, but there's just something that gives you a bad feeling about the whole thing.
Perhaps a reminder of how the big corps are intimately close and in bed with the politicians.  
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Re: House passes bill taxing Wall Street bonuses
« Reply #27 on: March 19, 2009, 03:26:58 PM »
That is why Geithner knew that these bonuses had to be given out.  Dodd, Geithner, and Obama knew that lawsuits would be filed if they tried to stop this.

I dont blame AIG one bit, they are alcoholics in this, I blema the govt for not forcing AIG to declare Chapter 11.
I agree, if i was one of those ppl who were promised a bonus and it was in a contract i would hold aig to it. The government/administration knew they couldnt interfere with these bonuses and now they act outraged and suprised  ::) typical obama say one thing do another bull shit.

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Re: House passes bill taxing Wall Street bonuses
« Reply #28 on: March 19, 2009, 03:55:56 PM »
not necessarily.  I mean more than us sure but to make a definitive statement maybe not.  I hear lawyers all the time say they're not constitutional lawyers and brush their answer as unqualified.
i was simply pointing out huggy bear that there is no difinitive statement other then the judge/judges who oversee the sure to be pending law suits  ::) your man crush on me is fuking gross hugo stop that shit.

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Re: House passes bill taxing Wall Street bonuses
« Reply #29 on: March 19, 2009, 04:03:22 PM »
This is far in terms of the fact these scumbags wrote themselves big bonuses and we paid for it

But

it's hella unconstitutional.  A contract is a contract.  If you didn't want these guys to have the bonuses - yes, both dems and repubs - why did you take that wording out on the first go-around?

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Re: House passes bill taxing Wall Street bonuses
« Reply #30 on: March 19, 2009, 04:05:50 PM »
Huggy bear....Oh, that was funny.

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Re: House passes bill taxing Wall Street bonuses
« Reply #31 on: March 19, 2009, 04:07:07 PM »
Plus  -


why not just make the bonuses TEN TIMES BIGGER next time?  ;)

If they're going to tax it by 90%, just write yourself a much bigger check!

This stinks... an emotional response which fvcks with capitalism... of course, it's already socialism... all these repubs who are debating this should realize you're just talking about whether something is very socialist or kinda socialist... the USA owns 80% of this firm, so things are already over as far as capitalism goes.  We're just debating whether it should be vaginal or anal rape at this point ;)

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Re: House passes bill taxing Wall Street bonuses
« Reply #32 on: March 19, 2009, 04:13:34 PM »
Plus  -


why not just make the bonuses TEN TIMES BIGGER next time?  ;)

If they're going to tax it by 90%, just write yourself a much bigger check!

This stinks... an emotional response which fvcks with capitalism... of course, it's already socialism... all these repubs who are debating this should realize you're just talking about whether something is very socialist or kinda socialist... the USA owns 80% of this firm, so things are already over as far as capitalism goes.  We're just debating whether it should be vaginal or anal rape at this point ;)
or whats from stopping them from simply calling it part of the salary next time?

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Re: House passes bill taxing Wall Street bonuses
« Reply #33 on: March 19, 2009, 04:14:19 PM »
where have you been?  The guy has been calling me all kinds of sweet names like I'm his fucking boyfriend or something.  He's called me huggy bear for months.
hahahah i dont follow you around different threads and pm you when you get all pissy do i? hahaha nope thats you hoss.

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Re: House passes bill taxing Wall Street bonuses
« Reply #34 on: March 19, 2009, 04:17:13 PM »
or whats from stopping them from simply calling it part of the salary next time?

yep.

they were retention bonuses anyway.  designed to keep the place running so everyone didnt bail.

and at least 52% of them did exactly that, bailing the minute they got their bonuses.

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Re: House passes bill taxing Wall Street bonuses
« Reply #35 on: March 19, 2009, 04:54:57 PM »
Whats incredible is it was Dodd and the Obama administration that put the bonus stipulation in the bill.It was their fault and now they are outraged.Incredible!!It would be like Bush screaming "how in the hell did we end up in Iraq".

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Re: House passes bill taxing Wall Street bonuses
« Reply #36 on: March 19, 2009, 04:58:33 PM »
wheres decker at maybe he could give us more insight into this.

 I don't think he'll ever find a reason why anyone should not pay a tax, ever.

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Re: House passes bill taxing Wall Street bonuses
« Reply #37 on: March 19, 2009, 05:36:21 PM »
seems you were the one that decided to reply to my post for BB ::)  Who's stalking who?  typical troll, accuse others of what you do.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=270750.msg3809198#msg3809198

Don't forget you are the one that goes around the board demanding answers from the left.  and then go stalking them in every thread when you don't get the answer you want ::)
LOL gezz louise man your like a little fuking kid, you asked me to answer for beach and i said thats not my place.

p.s. you quoted bindare for this ignorant ass post not me

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Re: House passes bill taxing Wall Street bonuses
« Reply #38 on: March 23, 2009, 12:38:55 PM »
First, Ex post facto of art. 1, sec. applies EXCLUSIVELY to criminal law.  So it's a non-factor here.  Tax laws are implemented retroactively all the time.

Second, BsOA apply to both criminal and civil litigation.  If the language is 'sufficiently broad' (not targeting a closed class of named executives) in the imposition of the tax, this should not be a problem either.

Under a 14th amendment Equal Protection case, the Congress just has to show a legitimate gov. interest for imposing the 90% tax.  That's the lightest degree of scrutiny required to pass constitutional muster.  On the other hand, it is difficult to show that a legitimate interest of the gov's is being served by imposing a 90% tax on a politically unpopular group.  This EP argument would be the best bet for AIG executives to keep the money without any additional 90% tax.  Will that happen?  I don't know.

What should have happened was that the bail out bill should have conditioned the money on the surrender of the bonus compensation.  Gov. cannot order the private employment contracts void but it can ask the parties to those contracts to forego the bonus money...or else they can forget about getting any bailout money at all.


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Re: House passes bill taxing Wall Street bonuses
« Reply #39 on: March 23, 2009, 12:44:35 PM »
To his credit, Obama did say he will not sign the bill:

The president also stressed that his administration won't endorse a House bill that would levy a 90 percent tax on bonuses paid out by companies that receive bailout money.

"As a general proposition, you don't want to be passing laws that are just targeting a handful of individuals," Obama said. "You want to pass laws that have some broad applicability ... you certainly don't want to use the tax code to punish people."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/22/obama.60.minutes/index.html

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Re: House passes bill taxing Wall Street bonuses
« Reply #40 on: March 24, 2009, 07:43:00 AM »
I don't think he'll ever find a reason why anyone should not pay a tax, ever.
I could join the dark side and pretend that tax cuts pay for themselves and that debt doesn't matter and that borrow and spend is a great idea  for prosperity and that the Austrian School of economics really is a respected school of thought and highly relevant but I can't do those things b/c they are all antithetical to what is real.

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Re: House passes bill taxing Wall Street bonuses
« Reply #41 on: March 24, 2009, 07:54:25 AM »
To his credit, Obama did say he will not sign the bill:

The president also stressed that his administration won't endorse a House bill that would levy a 90 percent tax on bonuses paid out by companies that receive bailout money.

"As a general proposition, you don't want to be passing laws that are just targeting a handful of individuals," Obama said. "You want to pass laws that have some broad applicability ... you certainly don't want to use the tax code to punish people."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/22/obama.60.minutes/index.html

I think the problem with that is that this 90% tax should then be applied to all the TARP banks who gave out bonuses including Merryl, BOA, GS, etc..

Obama knows this and knows that he cant sign that dumb bill the House put together. 

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Re: House passes bill taxing Wall Street bonuses
« Reply #42 on: March 24, 2009, 08:04:23 AM »
seems you were the one that decided to reply to my post for BB ::)  Who's stalking who?  typical troll, accuse others of what you do.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=270750.msg3809198#msg3809198

Don't forget you are the one that goes around the board demanding answers from the left.  and then go stalking them in every thread when you don't get the answer you want ::)

what did I do?

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Re: House passes bill taxing Wall Street bonuses
« Reply #43 on: March 24, 2009, 11:38:12 AM »
I think the problem with that is that this 90% tax should then be applied to all the TARP banks who gave out bonuses including Merryl, BOA, GS, etc..

Obama knows this and knows that he cant sign that dumb bill the House put together. 

They shouldn't be trying to target anyone IMO.  They should have never given these companies welfare payments to begin with.  This is sort of like giving food stamps to someone and then complaining when they use part of them to buy booze.