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Re: Is there such a thing as good bread?
« Reply #50 on: March 20, 2009, 06:59:24 PM »
No doubt about it...

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Re: Is there such a thing as good bread?
« Reply #51 on: March 20, 2009, 07:16:15 PM »
Whole wheat, Whole grain, Multigrain whole wheat. All good.

White bread or Honeywheat aren't good since they are enriched. Sucked of nutrients and filled with preservatives. Also many have dyes and colorings and other things.

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Re: Is there such a thing as good bread?
« Reply #52 on: March 20, 2009, 07:45:59 PM »
ezekiel bread is the best

Combine it with peanut butter and you have a complete protein

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Re: Is there such a thing as good bread?
« Reply #53 on: March 20, 2009, 07:55:13 PM »
Never refrigerate bread - it will stale almost immediately.
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Re: Is there such a thing as good bread?
« Reply #54 on: March 21, 2009, 02:44:46 AM »
mother fucking shit ajdhfbvjahbclajcnefaed


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"STARCH RETROGRADATION—THE FORMATION OF TOO MUCH STRUCTURE
Starch retrogradation is a process in which starch
molecules in a cooked or baked and cooled product
bond more and more closely over time, increasing
structure. It is as if the starch molecules wish
to return—retro—to the tightly bonded state of
ungelatinized starch granules. When this happens
to starch-based creams and pie fi llings, products
shrink and fi rm up, becoming tough and rubbery.
The shrinking network of tightly bonded starch
molecules squeezes out water, causing weeping,
also known as syneresis. It is this process that
makes high-amylose starches, such as cornstarch,
inappropriate for creams and fi llings that are to be
frozen or refrigerated for any length of time.
When starches retrograde in baked goods,
the soft crumb becomes dry, hard, and crumbly.
In other words, starch retrogradation is a primary
cause of staling in baked goods. Water may be
squeezed out of the starch, but it is not evident in
baked goods because other ingredients are likely to
absorb the water.
Starch retrogradation—staling—of baked
goods can be delayed by covering products to
prevent moisture loss; by storing products at
room temperature or in the freezer—not in the
refrigerator, where retrogradation is fastest
; and
by adding ingredients that slow down the process.
Sugars, proteins, fats, and emulsifi ers are
all effective at delaying starch retrogradation.
Because pastries contain large amounts of these
ingredients, they are slower to stale than breads
and rolls."

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Re: Is there such a thing as good bread?
« Reply #55 on: March 21, 2009, 02:45:43 AM »
Just keep that shit in the freezer..... 8)
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Re: Is there such a thing as good bread?
« Reply #56 on: March 21, 2009, 02:50:55 AM »
Just keep that shit in the freezer..... 8)

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Re: Is there such a thing as good bread?
« Reply #57 on: March 21, 2009, 02:51:46 AM »
"Is da bread Helga's?"

Only the best when it comes to bread.....

Bread = serious business
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Re: Is there such a thing as good bread?
« Reply #58 on: March 21, 2009, 02:58:53 AM »
Only the best when it comes to bread.....

Bread = serious business

Make some yourself Web!  Homemade bread kicks ass over storebought crap.

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Re: Is there such a thing as good bread?
« Reply #59 on: March 21, 2009, 03:00:57 AM »
Make some yourself Web!  Homemade bread kicks ass over storebought crap.

Good idea!

We have a bread maker.......packed away in a cupboard still in it's box. I might have to crack that bitch open!
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Re: Is there such a thing as good bread?
« Reply #60 on: March 21, 2009, 03:29:52 AM »
Good idea!

We have a bread maker.......packed away in a cupboard still in it's box. I might have to crack that bitch open!

I've never used one but they seem very popular.  It will certainly be less labour intensive than hand kneeding, but you might be limited in your control of the dough and loaf.  I use a Kitchen Aid for partial kneeding and finish it off by hand.

For example, I like to use a preferment (poolish) and add amalyse/bread improver to a 60/2/2 bread (.6g of water to each 1g of flour, .02g yeast, .02g salt), then let it rest overnight in the fridge.  Or you can do really far out stuff - fig & walnut is a good combo, olive & rosemary, etc, or something in between like a milk bread (which is the basic recipe of most storebought sandwich loaves, although their rushed production time doesn't allow flavour to develop).  Shape a pan loaf for sandwich bread, french stick or any free form loaf, or go with foccachia, pizza, etc, with only minor adjustments in the ingredients and procedure, enriched doughs like brioche and coffee cake, etc.

The ingredients are so cheap they're basically free.  Start doing pastries and forget about it.  Your parents will never let you move out.  Everyone loves a baker.

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Re: Is there such a thing as good bread?
« Reply #61 on: March 21, 2009, 03:39:02 AM »
I've never used one but they seem very popular.  It will certainly be less labour intensive than hand kneeding, but you might be limited in your control of the dough and loaf.  I use a Kitchen Aid for partial kneeding and finish it off by hand.

For example, I like to use a preferment (poolish) and add amalyse/bread improver to a 60/2/2 bread (.6g of water to each 1g of flour, .02g yeast, .02g salt), then let it rest overnight in the fridge.  Or you can do really far out stuff - fig & walnut is a good combo, olive & rosemary, etc, or something in between like a milk bread (which is the basic recipe of most storebought sandwich loaves, although their rushed production time doesn't allow flavour to develop).  Shape a pan loaf for sandwich bread, french stick or any free form loaf, or go with foccachia, pizza, etc, with only minor adjustments in the ingredients and procedure, enriched doughs like brioche and coffee cake, etc.

The ingredients are so cheap they're basically free.  Start doing pastries and forget about it.  Your parents will never let you move out.  Everyone loves a baker.

Like i said.......bread = serious business

I'll give it a go, will probably be fun. I actually quite enjoy cooking/preparing food. And as i said, i love me some bread.

I might use a Kitchen Aid. Honestly, i think my mum bought it as a decoration for the kitchen rather than actually ever use it. Crazy expensive..... :o
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Re: Is there such a thing as good bread?
« Reply #62 on: March 21, 2009, 03:54:32 AM »
I eat about three or four slices of multigrain/wholegrain bread every day for breakfast. It's great food at that time of the day but I wouldn't consider eating any breads in the evenings.

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Re: Is there such a thing as good bread?
« Reply #63 on: March 21, 2009, 04:20:20 AM »
Like i said.......bread = serious business

I'll give it a go, will probably be fun. I actually quite enjoy cooking/preparing food. And as i said, i love me some bread.

I might use a Kitchen Aid. Honestly, i think my mum bought it as a decoration for the kitchen rather than actually ever use it. Crazy expensive..... :o

Great machine.  You should have a dough hook attachment that came with it.  It's not on the professional level but it's still a great labour saver (there's also a meat grinder attachment for it if you want to do your own mince).  If you have any questions about recipes or procedures, shoot me a pm.

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Re: Is there such a thing as good bread?
« Reply #64 on: March 21, 2009, 04:28:12 AM »
Great machine.  You should have a dough hook attachment that came with it.  It's not on the professional level but it's still a great labour saver (there's also a meat grinder attachment for it if you want to do your own mince).  If you have any questions about recipes or procedures, shoot me a pm.

I'll let you know how it goes.....

How long does it take for the bread to bake in the bread maker? Few hours?
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Re: Is there such a thing as good bread?
« Reply #65 on: March 21, 2009, 04:46:24 AM »
I'll repeat: every kind of bread is perfectly fine on any kind of diet.

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Re: Is there such a thing as good bread?
« Reply #66 on: March 21, 2009, 04:47:31 AM »
I'll let you know how it goes.....

How long does it take for the bread to bake in the bread maker? Few hours?

Can't really say about bread makers.  They're probably faster than manual preparation, but the trade off is that the faster a dough develops, the less flavour the bread will have.  I bet you can set it for different speeds though.

I just use my oven with a baking stone (not essential), and actual baking time is anywhere from 10-45 minutes depending on the loaf shape, size, and oven temp.  Prior to baking, however, I usually let the dough develop over a period of 12-24 hours in the fridge.

A bread maker seems like a good way to start tho.  Sorry I can't offer much help with them.  You'll have to read the instructions Web!