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Taxes explained... (tax day is comming)
« on: March 20, 2009, 02:04:05 PM »
is comming, so I thought I would explain how "taxes" work in the US.

Tax system explained in terms of beer - to make it more manageable

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all
ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes,
it would go something like this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

So, that's what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every
day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the
owner threw them a curve. "Since you are all such good customers," he
said, "I'm going to reduce t he cost of your daily beer by $20.
"Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes, so
the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free.
But what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could
they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair
share?'

They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they
subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the
sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar
owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by
roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each
should pay.

And so

The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 ( 22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four
continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men
began to compare their savings.

"I only got a dollar out of the $20,"declared the sixth man. He
pointed to the tenth man," but he got $10!"

"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a dollar,
too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I!"

"That's true!!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $10 back w
hen I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!"

"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison. "We didn't get
anything at all. The system exploits the poor!"

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up. The next night the
tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had
beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they
discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between
all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how
our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the
most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for
being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they
might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat
friendlier.
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Re: Taxes explained... (tax day is comming)
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2009, 02:10:17 PM »
dead on.

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Re: Taxes explained... (tax day is comming)
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2009, 02:15:29 PM »
I can't for the live of me understand why a person should be punished for making more $$$?
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Re: Taxes explained... (tax day is comming)
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2009, 02:17:23 PM »
I can't for the live of me understand why a person should be punished for making more $$$?

thats america for you.  someone's got to feed all the welfare babies, right?
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Re: Taxes explained... (tax day is comming)
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2009, 02:18:27 PM »
''The laws of capitalism, blind and invisible to the majority, act upon the individual without his thinking about it. He sees only the vastness of a seemingly infinite horizon before him. That is how it is painted by capitalist propagandists, who purport to draw a lesson from the example of Rockefeller — whether or not it is true — about the possibilities of success. The amount of poverty and suffering required for the emergence of a Rockefeller, and the amount of depravity that the accumulation of a fortune of such magnitude entails, are left out of the picture, and it is not always possible to make the people in general see this.''

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Re: Taxes explained... (tax day is comming)
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2009, 02:19:03 PM »
spoken like a true mexican.
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Re: Taxes explained... (tax day is comming)
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2009, 02:20:11 PM »
''Capitalism uses force but it also educates the people to its system. Direct propaganda is carried out by those entrusted with explaining the inevitability of class society, either through some theory of divine origin or through a mechanical theory of natural selection. This lulls the masses since they see themselves as being oppressed by an evil against which it is impossible to struggle. Immediately following comes the hope of improvement — and in this, capitalism differed from the preceding caste systems, which offered no possibilities for advancement.''
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Re: Taxes explained... (tax day is comming)
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2009, 02:21:54 PM »
your bullshit quotes are irrelevant.  move on please.
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Re: Taxes explained... (tax day is comming)
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2009, 02:24:22 PM »
"Wealth is far from being within the reach of the masses simply through the process of appropriation.''
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Re: Taxes explained... (tax day is comming)
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2009, 02:24:53 PM »
this "Che" guy seems like a real deuche.  "capitalism acts on the blind in an invisible way."  blah blah blah.  read the tax thing above, then comment.
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Re: Taxes explained... (tax day is comming)
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2009, 02:25:32 PM »
"Grass grows in field and is green"

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Re: Taxes explained... (tax day is comming)
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2009, 02:26:09 PM »
The life of a single human being is worth a million times more than all the property of the richest man on earth.

                                                                                                                     Ernesto ‘Che’ Guevara

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Re: Taxes explained... (tax day is comming)
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2009, 02:26:47 PM »
"Butterflies fly in the wind"
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Re: Taxes explained... (tax day is comming)
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2009, 02:27:39 PM »
I think Capitalism is the way to go.

Humans are nothing more than Animals, and in a capitalist society (just like the wild) the strong survive and prosper, the weak die off.
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Re: Taxes explained... (tax day is comming)
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2009, 02:28:26 PM »
Democracy is not compatible with financial oligarchy, with discrimination against Blacks and outrages by the Ku Klux Klan, or with the persecution that drove scientists like Oppenheimer from their posts, deprived the world for years of the marvelous voice of Paul Robeson, held prisoner in his own country, and sent the Rosenberg's to their deaths against the protests of a shocked world, including the appeals of many governments and of Pope Pius XII.
Democracy cannot consist solely of elections that are nearly always fictitious and managed by rich landowners and professional politicians.

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Re: Taxes explained... (tax day is comming)
« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2009, 02:28:59 PM »
Democracy is not compatible with financial oligarchy, with discrimination against Blacks and outrages by the Ku Klux Klan, or with the persecution that drove scientists like Oppenheimer from their posts, deprived the world for years of the marvelous voice of Paul Robeson, held prisoner in his own country, and sent the Rosenberg's to their deaths against the protests of a shocked world, including the appeals of many governments and of Pope Pius XII.
Democracy cannot consist solely of elections that are nearly always fictitious and managed by rich landowners and professional politicians.

                                                                                                                        Ernesto ‘Che’ Guevara

Drama queen is the typical liberal.  cannot think for himself, must quote other people.
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Re: Taxes explained... (tax day is comming)
« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2009, 02:29:56 PM »
''Justice remains the tool of a few powerful interests; legal interpretations will continue to be made to suit the convenience of the oppressor powers.''

                                                                                                            Ernesto ‘Che’ Guevara

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Re: Taxes explained... (tax day is comming)
« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2009, 02:30:02 PM »
Democracy is not compatible with financial oligarchy, with discrimination against Blacks and outrages by the Ku Klux Klan, or with the persecution that drove scientists like Oppenheimer from their posts, deprived the world for years of the marvelous voice of Paul Robeson, held prisoner in his own country, and sent the Rosenberg's to their deaths against the protests of a shocked world, including the appeals of many governments and of Pope Pius XII.
Democracy cannot consist solely of elections that are nearly always fictitious and managed by rich landowners and professional politicians.

                                                                                                                        Ernesto ‘Che’ Guevara

The Rosenberg's were traitors.  :-X
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Re: Taxes explained... (tax day is comming)
« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2009, 02:31:07 PM »
The Rosenberg's were traitors.  :-X

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Re: Taxes explained... (tax day is comming)
« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2009, 02:31:13 PM »
haha brilliant stuff especially in light of our ignorant times of "change"!

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« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2009, 02:32:55 PM »
''A common argument from the mouths of capitalist spokespeople, in the ideological struggle against socialism, is that socialism, or the period of building socialism into which we have entered, is characterized by the abolition of the individual for the sake of the state.

The state sometimes makes mistakes. When one of these mistakes occurs, a decline in collective enthusiasm is reflected by a resulting quantitative decrease of the contribution of each individual, each of the elements forming the whole of the masses. Work is so paralysed that insignificant quantities are produced. It is time to make a correction.

A more structured connection with the mass is needed, and we must improve it in the course of the coming years. But as far as initiatives originating in the upper strata of the government are concerned, we are currently utilizing the almost intuitive method of sounding out general reactions to the great problems we confront.

I think the place to start is to recognize the individual's quality of incompleteness, of being an unfinished product. The vestiges of the past are brought into the present in one's consciousness, and a continual labor is necessary to eradicate them''.

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Re: Taxes explained... (tax day is comming)
« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2009, 04:12:50 PM »
''A common argument from the mouths of capitalist spokespeople, in the ideological struggle against socialism, is that socialism, or the period of building socialism into which we have entered, is characterized by the abolition of the individual for the sake of the state.

The state sometimes makes mistakes. When one of these mistakes occurs, a decline in collective enthusiasm is reflected by a resulting quantitative decrease of the contribution of each individual, each of the elements forming the whole of the masses. Work is so paralysed that insignificant quantities are produced. It is time to make a correction.

A more structured connection with the mass is needed, and we must improve it in the course of the coming years. But as far as initiatives originating in the upper strata of the government are concerned, we are currently utilizing the almost intuitive method of sounding out general reactions to the great problems we confront.

I think the place to start is to recognize the individual's quality of incompleteness, of being an unfinished product. The vestiges of the past are brought into the present in one's consciousness, and a continual labor is necessary to eradicate them''.

                                                                                                                                           Ernesto ‘Che’ Guevara

Yeah, his system has worked so well that Cubans are still, after 45 years, risking their life to come to the U.S. Ask some of the Cubans who came over in the 60's how great Che and his communist ideas were.  Why is it Castro never let people leave there and they had to flee in rafts secretly. It's a flawed system that says that a lazy, un motivated person is entitled to the same reward as a hard working, goal oriented person.

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Re: Taxes explained... (tax day is comming)
« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2009, 04:42:08 PM »
I think Capitalism is the way to go.

Humans are nothing more than Animals, and in a capitalist society (just like the wild) the strong survive and prosper, the weak die off.

not anymore.  now we all pay for the weak to keep them alive until we're all equally poor.

go president Negro!  fucking idiot.
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Re: Taxes explained... (tax day is comming)
« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2009, 04:45:16 PM »
not anymore.  now we all pay for the weak to keep them alive until we're all equally poor.

go president Negro!  fucking idiot.

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Re: Taxes explained... (tax day is comming)
« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2009, 05:21:19 PM »
Uh...



Just a Historical Note......Whenever the top earners have been taxed the highest, for instance under Eisenhower, the United States has been the most economically prosperous.


Note the low taxation during Hoover.

Also Note that Obama`s tax plan is not much different at all from Bush`s tax plan.

2003 -2009 Bush Tax Brackets                  2010 Obama Tax Brackets
10%                                                      10%
15%                                                      15%
25%                                                      25%
28%                                                      28%
33%                                                      36%
35%                                                      39.6%