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Army Troops Were Sent Into Alabama Town After Murder Spree
« on: March 20, 2009, 06:36:53 PM »
CNSNews.com) - The U.S. Army has launched an inquiry into how and why active duty troops from Fort Rucker, Ala., came to be placed on the streets of Samson, Ala., during last week's murder spree in that tiny South Alabama community. The use of the troops was a possible violation of federal law.
 
“On March 10, after a report of an apparent mass murder in Samson, Ala., 22 military police soldiers from Fort Rucker, Ala., along with the provost marshal, were sent to the city of Samson,” Harvey Perritt, spokesman for the U.S. Army Training and Doctrine Command (TRADOC) at Fort Monroe, Va., told CNSNews.com on Monday.
 
“The purpose for sending the military police, the authority for doing so, and what duties they performed is the subject of an ongoing commander’s inquiry--directed by the commanding general of U.S. Army Training and Doctrine Command, Gen. Martin Dempsey.”
 
TRADOC is the headquarters command for Ft. Rucker.
 
“In addition to determining the facts, this inquiry will also determine whether law, regulation and policy were followed,” Perritt added. “Until those facts are determined, it would be inappropriate to speculate or comment further.”
 
Jim Stromenger, a dispatcher at the Samson Police Department, confirmed the MP’s presence in the town, telling CNSNews.com that the troops “came in to help with traffic control and to secure the crime scene”--and the department was glad for the help.
 
“We’ve been getting a lot of calls,” Stromenger said. “They weren’t here to police, let me make that clear. They were here to help with traffic and to control the crime scene--so people wouldn’t trample all over (it).”
 
Stromenger said the town needed help--calls had gone out to all police departments in the area.
 
“We only have a five-man police department,” he told CNSNews.com. “We had officers from all surrounding areas helping out. There were a lot of streets to be blocked off and there had to be someone physically there to block them off. That’s what these MPs were doing. I don’t think they were even armed. The troops helped keep nosy people away.”
 
But Stromenger said it wasn’t the Samson Police Department that called for the troops.
 
“I don’t know who called Fort Rucker. But someone did. They wouldn’t have been able to come if someone hadn’t,” he added.
 
Under Whose Authority?
 
The troops were apparently not deployed by the request of Alabama Gov. Bob Riley -- or by the request of President Obama, as required by law.

When contacted by CNSNews.com, the governor’s office could not confirm that the governor had requested help from the Army, and Gov. Riley's spokesman, Todd Stacy, expressed surprise when he was told that troops had been sent to the town.
 
No request from President Obama, meanwhile, was issued by the White House--or the Defense Department.
 
Wrongful use of federal troops inside U.S. borders is a violation of several federal laws, including one known as the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, Title 18, Section 1385 of the U.S. Code.
 
“Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both,” the law states.
 
David Rittgers, legal policy analyst at the Cato Institute, said there are other laws barring use of federal troops outside of federal property, as well.
 
“Title 18, Section 375 of the U.S. Code is a direct restriction on military personnel, and it basically precludes any member of the army in participating in a ‘search, seizure, arrest or other similar activity, unless participation is otherwise authorized by law,’ “ Rittgers told CNSNews.com.
 
“The security of a crime scene is something I think that would roll up in the category of a ‘search, seizure or other activity,’” Rittgers added.
 
In addition, there is the Insurrection Act of 1808, as amended in 2007, (Title 10, Section 331 of the U.S. Code) under which the president can authorize troops “to restore order and enforce the laws of the United States” in an insurrection.
 
“Whenever there is an insurrection in any State against its government, the President may, upon the request of its legislature or of its governor if the legislature cannot be convened, call into federal service such of the militia of the other States, in the number requested by that State, and use such of the armed forces, as he considers necessary to suppress the insurrection,” the law states.
 
In 2007, Congress expanded the list to include “natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition” as situations for which the president can authorize troops, provided that  “domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the state or possession are incapable of maintaining public order.”
 
Congress has been clear that the use of U.S. troops for civilian police purposes is forbidden.
 
“One of the statutes explicitly says that military brigs can’t even be used to detain domestic criminals,” Rittgers said. “It really is supposed to be a black and white line.”
 
The U.S. Department of Justice, meanwhile, would have prosecuting authority, if any violation is deemed to have occurred. The Justice Department did not comment for this story.
 
Ft. Rucker, located in Southern Alabama, is the home of Army Aviation
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Re: Army Troops Were Sent Into Alabama Town After Murder Spree
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2009, 06:41:34 PM »
Name the last time Active Duty troops were deployed in such a manner....and by whom. If u say Katrina u'd be wrong. The Guard and Reserve forces as well as some active duty units did deploy as part of a MISKA mission.

DOD’s civil support roles take three forms:

“Military Support to Civil Authorities [MSCA] generally consists of support during natural disasters, special security events…and man-made incidents…which have evoked a presi­dential or state emergency declaration.”

“Military Support to Civilian Law Enforcement Agencies consists of support provided to a Lead Federal Agency…for activities such as counter­terrorism and counterdrug operations and may include provision of equipment, training, or expert advice.”

“Military Assistance for Civil Disturbances occurs when the President employs the armed forces to suppress insurrections, riots, or to assist the states in maintaining law and order. In these situations, the Lead Federal Agency sup­ported by DOD is the Department of Justice.”[2]
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Re: Army Troops Were Sent Into Alabama Town After Murder Spree
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2009, 06:45:31 PM »
The deployment criteria are pretty strict due to chain of command issues and largely budgetary. However the deployment of troops is a clear violation of federal law....even if they were asked for. If Washington allowed this, it would be clearly treading in dangerous waters. The last time this happened...we got this.
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Re: Army Troops Were Sent Into Alabama Town After Murder Spree
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2009, 06:49:12 PM »
Oddly both deployed under a Dem as opposed to Obergruppenführer Bush. Also who countersigned that order to deploy troops to Waco...why its the token Dem Army 4 star...Wes Clark, then CDR of FT. Hood. Yet another Dem douchebag.
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Re: Army Troops Were Sent Into Alabama Town After Murder Spree
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2009, 07:13:41 PM »
Yeah...those are the released details. I find it very very hard to believe that the Jag office at Rucker wasn't jumping up and down over this. Plus the CG's staff as well. I'd have been telling them from a media standpoint that this is a disaster...maybe there is more to it, but AC troops don't deploy like this, unless Chewbacca Reno wants u to burn kids.
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Re: Army Troops Were Sent Into Alabama Town After Murder Spree
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2009, 07:15:45 PM »
Interesting to see HH6 talking about sending troops into american states/cities...HH6 weren't you the one so adamant about  Posse Comataus still being in effect and the military would NEVER be deployed against american citizens... Now you can see with your own eyes just exactly what the american government thinks of its citizens...AND YES SOLDIERS WILL SHOOT CIVILIANS...JUST LIKE YOUR AMERICAN COPS DO.
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Re: Army Troops Were Sent Into Alabama Town After Murder Spree
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2009, 07:15:57 PM »
Yeah...those are the released details. I find it very very hard to believe that the Jag office at Rucker wasn't jumping up and down over this. Plus the CG's staff as well. I'd have been telling them from a media standpoint that this is a disaster...maybe there is more to it, but AC troops don't deploy like this, unless Chewbacca Reno wants u to burn kids.

Think this could possibly be a new trend?


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Re: Army Troops Were Sent Into Alabama Town After Murder Spree
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2009, 07:17:26 PM »
I took the two week MSCA course when I was an AC/RC ops guy. This course deals with DOD support to civilains and basically one of the things we learned is that the local area can be burning, mud sliding, hurricaning ..whatever all around a DOD installation and we can't do shit unless authorized by the DOD.
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Re: Army Troops Were Sent Into Alabama Town After Murder Spree
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2009, 07:19:40 PM »
Interesting to see HH6 talking about sending troops into american states/cities...HH6 weren't you the one so adamant about  Posse Comataus still being in effect and the military would NEVER be deployed against american citizens... Now you can see with your own eyes just exactly what the american government thinks of its citizens...AND YES SOLDIERS WILL SHOOT CIVILIANS...JUST LIKE YOUR AMERICAN COPS DO.

Hey SAMSON..fuck off. These MP deployed as they were told, this wasn't some mass crack down. However this doesn't happen unless the NCA says so. What we do do..is take worthless 3rd worlders like u and stomp on ur neck until ur compliant.
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Re: Army Troops Were Sent Into Alabama Town After Murder Spree
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2009, 07:21:11 PM »
Think this could possibly be a new trend?




No idea....once is a mistake or an oddity, I have no idea what the tiny internet was saying about waco then, but now.... Holy shit the ultra right wing would be arming for bear.
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Re: Army Troops Were Sent Into Alabama Town After Murder Spree
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2009, 07:29:45 PM »
Hey SAMSON..fuck off. These MP deployed as they were told, this wasn't some mass crack down. However this doesn't happen unless the NCA says so. What we do do..is take worthless 3rd worlders like u and stomp on ur neck until ur compliant.



Hahahaahaha...don't be upset that your american dream is really and AMERICAN NIGHTMARE...I told you what america is really about..face up to it. That troop deployment is just the beginning. Kinda like a 'test' to see how the public will respond to military walking on the street. Soon every little thing will be reason to send in troops until a point is reach were they will ALWAYS be there. Cops will be fired in droves and the military will take over....of course this will be justified by the media who will make it seem like having a military presence is SOOOOO much better than inept keystone cops...GET READY HH6 IT IS COMING.... ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Army Troops Were Sent Into Alabama Town After Murder Spree
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2009, 07:37:14 PM »
I don't really have to worry do i.....according to ur idiotic logic, ur fucked. But in any event Clinton used troops at Waco and now this. But we're not some 3rd world shithole like our friend samson's from.  We have the Constitution and even Barry can't do anything about it on a large scale.
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Re: Army Troops Were Sent Into Alabama Town After Murder Spree
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2009, 07:56:41 PM »
I don't really have to worry do i.....according to ur idiotic logic, ur fucked. But in any event Clinton used troops at Waco and now this. But we're not some 3rd world shithole like our friend samson's from.  We have the Constitution and even Barry can't do anything about it on a large scale.

You mean that "GOD DAMED PIECE OF PAPER" that Georgie boy talked about that is so INEFFECTIVE
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Re: Army Troops Were Sent Into Alabama Town After Murder Spree
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2009, 09:06:34 PM »
What we do do..is take worthless 3rd worlders like u and stomp on ur neck until ur compliant.


I'm sorry, but that's funny... I don't care who you are...  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Army Troops Were Sent Into Alabama Town After Murder Spree
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2009, 12:24:16 AM »
I'm sorry, but that's funny... I don't care who you are...  ;D ;D ;D

Samson was roughed up by a National Guardsman back in LA in '92.  He's a bit bitter against the soldier type....

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Re: Army Troops Were Sent Into Alabama Town After Murder Spree
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2009, 07:54:14 AM »
So the theory now is that he's from LA?
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Re: Army Troops Were Sent Into Alabama Town After Murder Spree
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2009, 09:20:18 AM »
So the theory now is that he's from LA?

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Re: Army Troops Were Sent Into Alabama Town After Murder Spree
« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2009, 10:21:07 AM »
The majority of people taking part in a coup d'etat are seldom aware of what's going on. They're just asked to follow orders. 

By the time tools like HH6 and Co. realise what is actually going on they'll be taking a leak in one of the Senate's bathrooms after they've taken it over on under the false premise that there are terrorists inside. Or something like that.

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Re: Army Troops Were Sent Into Alabama Town After Murder Spree
« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2009, 11:03:56 AM »
And in the meanwhile, Slapper and company will be down at the student center, protesting anything that's not 100% leftwing douchebaggery.

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Re: Army Troops Were Sent Into Alabama Town After Murder Spree
« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2009, 12:18:50 PM »
LMaoooo---


Note to getbig: Why didn't anyone post a topic about that hilariously retarded protest some rich yuppie granola eating terrorist sympathizers had at NYU a month or two ago? Now that was comedy. Someone post a link. If I'm not mistaken some really fat ugly hippie chicks took their tops off to protest terrorists from Gaza not getting scholarships to NYU. I think among their other gripes against the NYU administration was parking privileges and library time, but I could be wrong about that.

The funniest part I remember reading about was how these losers called their parents to bring them toaster ovens, ipods, sleeping bags and power cords for their laptops while they occupied the NYU cafeteria lololol

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Re: Army Troops Were Sent Into Alabama Town After Murder Spree
« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2009, 12:33:01 PM »
And in the meanwhile, Slapper and company will be down at the student center, protesting anything that's not 100% leftwing douchebaggery

Grab a gun, put it in your mouth and pull the trigger if you have the balls.

Never mind.

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Re: Army Troops Were Sent Into Alabama Town After Murder Spree
« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2009, 12:50:20 PM »
Priceless!

If that were my kid, I would let them go to the Tombs in Centre street where arrestees are held pending arraignment in NYC and live with the criminals, filth, rapits etc in nasty conditions.

Rich white liberals are disgusting. 

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Re: Army Troops Were Sent Into Alabama Town After Murder Spree
« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2009, 01:45:09 PM »
Priceless!

If that were my kid, I would let them go to the Tombs in Centre street where arrestees are held pending arraignment in NYC and live with the criminals, filth, rapits etc in nasty conditions.

Rich white liberals are disgusting. 

You're talking about HH6 right?

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Re: Army Troops Were Sent Into Alabama Town After Murder Spree
« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2009, 01:48:22 PM »
You're talking about HH6 right?

Whoever.  i dont care.  i have bailed people out of jail down there and the conditions are horrendous!  most people have no clue what goes on beyond the facade of things.

These liberal white upper class morons need a little dose of reality and need to spend a weekend in The Tombs.   

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Re: Army Troops Were Sent Into Alabama Town After Murder Spree
« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2009, 02:04:20 PM »
Whoever.  i dont care.  i have bailed people out of jail down there and the conditions are horrendous!  most people have no clue what goes on beyond the facade of things.

These liberal white upper class morons need a little dose of reality and need to spend a weekend in The Tombs.

The more I read about this liberal/conservative bullshit game the more I realise we're bound to fight one another.

There ain't no middle ground here, just such an irritating unwillingness to undersand... it's like we live in different countries.