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Hugo Chavez

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whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive
« on: March 21, 2009, 12:44:13 AM »
...We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world...

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Re: whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2009, 07:38:25 AM »
So you're saying we need to alter the socialist trend Obama is starting?
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Re: whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2009, 08:58:52 AM »
You do not possibly think this is a new trend?
Well, I would certainly not advocate overthrowing the government but I think there needs to be a change in politics in general.  Obama is just the normal liberal agenda on roids.  He has not and will not bring anything new except more debt and a screwed up country.  I truly believe that until politicians stop listening to outside influences and act in the interest of the country that there will always be problems.  Sure there will always be crime and poor but we all get bent over the table at the expense of business.
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Re: whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2009, 09:22:38 AM »
You do not possibly think this is a new trend?

YES HE DOES...because sadly this is the STUPIDITY of the average america,. They would better SUFFER ILLS AND COMPLAIN than to do what is necessary to make things better.
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Re: whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2009, 09:25:43 AM »
Well, I would certainly not advocate overthrowing the government but I think there needs to be a change in politics in general.  Obama is just the normal liberal agenda on roids.  He has not and will not bring anything new except more debt and a screwed up country.  I truly believe that until politicians stop listening to outside influences and act in the interest of the country that there will always be problems.  Sure there will always be crime and poor but we all get bent over the table at the expense of business.

So according to your logic...everything in america is fine...one just needs to shut up, follow orders, submit and obey, suck it up and grin and bear it!!!
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Re: whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2009, 11:01:51 AM »
...We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world...


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Re: whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2009, 05:07:56 PM »
So according to your logic...everything in america is fine...one just needs to shut up, follow orders, submit and obey, suck it up and grin and bear it!!!

Ok hero what should we do, burn our mud huts and sling shit at people like in ur country?
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Re: whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2009, 05:13:37 PM »
Ok hero what should we do, burn our mud huts and sling shit at people like in ur country?

Do whatever you need to do to get a better government and if slinging shit is what it takes then damn it grab a handful and start slinging!!!!
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Re: whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2009, 05:20:12 PM »
We don't do that in this country, the Dems will be voted out of power in Congress in 2010, assuming they don't want to continue the super Lib experiment. Obama will get crushed in 2012 if the Repubs or somebody can sell the message of handouts equal destruction.
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Re: whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2009, 05:39:56 PM »
We don't do that in this country, the Dems will be voted out of power in Congress in 2010, assuming they don't want to continue the super Lib experiment. Obama will get crushed in 2012 if the Repubs or somebody can sell the message of handouts equal destruction.

THAT'S WHY YOUR DUMB ASSES ARE IN THE SHAPE YOU ALL ARE IN...SLING THAT SHIT!!!!!!
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Re: whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2009, 06:04:01 PM »
OK monkeyboy, where are u from.
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Re: whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2009, 06:10:12 PM »
the two party "ahem" one party system does not work.


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Re: whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2009, 06:12:29 PM »
both parties are complicit in the direction the country is going. I'm tired of reading/hearing blame the rep's or blame the dem's.

Its the whole government.

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Re: whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2009, 06:22:40 PM »
It appears from his last post that is exactly what he believes.  Things went wrong only when Obama and Dems got in power. ::)


I give up. 
Lol, anytime a government gets too big for it's britches it needs to be reigned in.  You never posted this during the BUSH administration so why would I comment on the large role government played during his 8 years?  It's a new administration so I would apply the example to that administration.  I favor a traditional conservative government and think what Obama is doing is atrocious, so sure I would love to see his policies fail at the expense of the Dems and pray that a REAL Republican can step in and do some good for the country.  Republicans fuck up too, I admit that readily.  Overthrowing a government is stupid in this day and age.  Your power comes with your vote but sadly too many people vote in the wrong people.

Some things to keep in mind Samson and Hugo, 1.) the President alone cannot dictate everything the country does without Congress, 2.) a Democrat majority Congress had a lower approval rating than Bush.  Both parties mess up but the liberal agenda is certainly not working in the interest of the country.  Deal with it.

Change the people in government and you will see a government worth supporting.
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Re: whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2009, 06:29:17 PM »
...We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world...


Love this. 

We're not there (again) yet. 

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Re: whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive
« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2009, 12:49:13 AM »
Lol, anytime a government gets too big for it's britches it needs to be reigned in.  You never posted this during the BUSH administration so why would I comment on the large role government played during his 8 years?  It's a new administration so I would apply the example to that administration.  I favor a traditional conservative government and think what Obama is doing is atrocious, so sure I would love to see his policies fail at the expense of the Dems and pray that a REAL Republican can step in and do some good for the country.  Republicans fuck up too, I admit that readily.  Overthrowing a government is stupid in this day and age.  Your power comes with your vote but sadly too many people vote in the wrong people.

Some things to keep in mind Samson and Hugo, 1.) the President alone cannot dictate everything the country does without Congress, 2.) a Democrat majority Congress had a lower approval rating than Bush.  Both parties mess up but the liberal agenda is certainly not working in the interest of the country.  Deal with it.

Change the people in government and you will see a government worth supporting.

You honestly believe that presidents are elected by the people???? OH BOY... there has never been a president ELECTED by the people..Elections are con games given to americans in an attempt to make them feel like they are really living in a democracy, If after the Bush SELECTION you are not aware of the real nature of how the political system works, then you are in BAAAAAAAAD SHAPE. Bush Sr. was SELECTED, Clinton was SELECTED, Bush Jr was SELECTED and Obama was SELECTED and as you can see from the years of changing presidents..it does not matter who is in the whitehouse the PLAN (objective of government ) remains the same. Obama promised the sun and the moon during his campaign and delivered absolutely NONE OF IT...and based on what he is doing so far (catering to BIG BUSINESS AND BANKERS) the people of america are about to be sucker punched into UNCONSCIOUSNESS. Things will not be getting better for america...It will be getting HORRIBLY WORST as big business and bankers take total control of the nation and subject the people to cruelty that would make Stalin, Lennin and Hitler look like ANGELS.
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Re: whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive
« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2009, 05:20:22 AM »
OWNED.

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Re: whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive
« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2009, 05:22:22 AM »
What's really friggin disturbing is how quiet all these right-wingers were during the Bush debacle and how apocalyptic they've become...

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Re: whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive
« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2009, 05:58:31 AM »
What's really friggin disturbing is how quiet all these right-wingers were during the Bush debacle and how apocalyptic they've become...

Bush was a horrible president, but Obama is worse in that he is seeking to pursue goals and ends that are radical and destructive far worse than Bushs' were.

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Re: whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive
« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2009, 06:24:32 AM »
I mean Bush never proposed new energy taxes, card check, etc.

Bush set the stage for this disaster, but it seems like Obama is just using W as an excuse to be more of the same and consolidate even more power in the hands of a few with the bailouts, NWO, etc.

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Re: whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive
« Reply #20 on: March 22, 2009, 06:33:10 AM »
Bush was a horrible president, but Obama is worse in that he is seeking to pursue goals and ends that are radical and destructive far worse than Bushs' were.

Dude, Bush was not the president. Bush was a tool, a puppet. Cheney was the one making all economic decisions. Rumsfeld was the one making all the policy decisions. In essence Bush was a DISGRACE, be it a republican or a democrat or whatever you are. I find it hard to believe that Obama, who I do not like, mind you, is on the same fuck up level plainfield than Bush. Remember Katrina? Remember War in Iraq? Remember the tripling of the national debt? Reading to children for 7 more minutes after he was told "the country is under attack"? Opening concentration camps in Guantánamo where torture DID take place?

Did Obama accomplish anything of this magnitude?

If you say yes then you've drank the cool aid my friend.

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Re: whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive
« Reply #21 on: March 22, 2009, 06:37:10 AM »
I mean Bush never proposed new energy taxes, card check, etc.

Bush set the stage for this disaster, but it seems like Obama is just using W as an excuse to be more of the same and consolidate even more power in the hands of a few with the bailouts, NWO, etc.
you're missing the entire freaking point.  We can tit for tat all day long between Bush and Obama, it's fucking goddamned fucking pointless.  It's the same game by the same people.  That's what they want you and me and all of us doing, sitting here bitching back and forth, distracted while they fuck us.  There was a whole line of extensive insane bullshit that came at us under Bush, now we're in for the same.  Of course the brunt of it is going to come with the new guy being popular, duh, that's what happened with Bush too.  We need to drop their divide and rule strategy and fucking join forces.   

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Re: whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive
« Reply #22 on: March 22, 2009, 06:41:44 AM »
you're missing the entire freaking point.  We can tit for tat all day long between Bush and Obama, it's fucking goddamned fucking pointless.  It's the same game by the same people.  That's what they want you and me and all of us doing, sitting here bitching back and forth, distracted while they fuck us.  There was a whole line of extensive insane bullshit that came at us under Bush, now we're in for the same.  Of course the brunt of it is going to come with the new guy being popular, duh, that's what happened with Bush too.  We need to drop their divide and rule strategy and fucking join forces.   

333386 thinks everyone's a democrat and a republican, and all arguments follow this line. I mean, how weird is that? What's wrong is wrong, regardless of who does it. Once you lose that ability then...

How about damn Yankees huh?!

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Re: whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive
« Reply #23 on: March 22, 2009, 07:03:36 AM »
333386 thinks everyone's a democrat and a republican, and all arguments follow this line. I mean, how weird is that? What's wrong is wrong, regardless of who does it. Once you lose that ability then...

How about damn Yankees huh?!
That's the kind of person I've always been accused of being.

We really really need to get the corporations out of power.  Bush/Obama/Clinton, what's the difference in that regard, they're all corporate yes men apparently.  Obama talked the talk better than anybody before but I'm not seeing the change yet.  This fascist bullshit needs to end now.

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Re: whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive
« Reply #24 on: March 22, 2009, 08:14:07 AM »
That's the kind of person I've always been accused of being.

We really really need to get the corporations out of power.  Bush/Obama/Clinton, what's the difference in that regard, they're all corporate yes men apparently.  Obama talked the talk better than anybody before but I'm not seeing the change yet.  This fascist bullshit needs to end now.

Well, that is a hard thing to do, simply because we've been raised to accept pseudo-fascist ideals from the moment we enter the school system. By this I mean our perception of America has been distorted to such a point that we only see it in terms of nation X, populated by people Y who only speak language N and are eternally obedient to leader F (known as the fascist formula). As opposed to the Founding Fathers' clear intentions of creating a geographical area or space of freedoms (called the United States of America) within which all people were free to do as they pleased (if indoingso no one was harmed,) regardless of race, religion or creed.

It is obvious we are now in a pseudo-fascist regime, and we have not seen the evils of fascism yet because we are exporting the hate part. The problem is that the hate will eventually come home, and we can all remember what happened in Germany, or Europe as a whole, when the "spreading of freedom" came to a halt.