Any Religious People Here?

[#1 Klaus fan]

Yes. Atheists are tied up with a concept which is saying there is no god.
And what they do is that they decide God doesnt exist before deceding any defenitions of God.

God exist in a reason and God doesnt exist in another reason.

And Atheists take only one side of this and always tied up with this idea.
Its almost same as having a faith.

Quit that jibba jabba. God is imaginery as long as there is no proof.

[lovemonkey]

Yes. Atheists are tied up with a concept which is saying there is no god.
And what they do is that they decide God doesnt exist before deceding any defenitions of God.

God exist in a reason and God doesnt exist in another reason.

And Atheists take only one side of this and always tied up with this idea.
Its almost same as having a faith.

If we're talking about a supreme being with ability to suspend natural laws, then no atheists do not rely on faith. Just because you can't disprove something does not make it true.

[Drama Queen]

Can homosexuals be religious 

[#1 Klaus fan]

Can homosexuals be religious 

Of course. Flying Spaghetti Monster is also gay. He accepts everyone.

[Andy Griffin]

Being an atheist doesn't require faith, because your world view is based on evidence only. So no it's not a religion, as there is no holy book or rules of conduct associated with being atheist. The word atheist is damaging, it gives the illusion that it is a a "group" of people with a common "faith". As we don't have a word for not believing in astrology, the same should be true for not believing in any god or creator.

I understand what you're saying, that "atheism" is usually spoken in a negative context.  But atheist just means one who doesn't believe in any diety (I get what you mean, though, that "atheists" are listed as a group when they may have nothing else in common with each other).  Its original meaning (Greek) was a believer in false gods.  It evolved into its current form in the 1800's.  More people prefer to use other terms such as non-theists or agnostic.  (all this from Wikipedia...I'm not claiming any "inside knowledge" here).

[lovemonkey]

I understand what you're saying, that "atheism" is usually spoken in a negative context.  But atheist just means one who doesn't believe in any diety (I get what you mean, though, that "atheists" are listed as a group when they may have nothing else in common with each other).  Its original meaning (Greek) was a believer in false gods.  It evolved into its current form in the 1800's.  More people prefer to use other terms such as non-theists or agnostic.  (all this from Wikipedia...I'm not claiming any "inside knowledge" here).

Yeah. I would say I'm a anti-theist myself.

[kyomu]

The opinion of you guys refrect how christians you guys are in deep conciousness even you guys are saying that you guys are atheists.

Many christian believe what they see. And They have a tendency of trying to believe in one thing to calm their fear. Not believing in something cause fear. Some must believe that saying "There is no god. only science there."
 haha, first of all, that science itself is very ilusional...Thats all the supreme scientists of now a day are saying.

You guys also.

You guys are believing that our conciousness is so perfect that we can judge anything.

Thats a Isaac Newtons concept. But, Now a day, we have quantum theory which include uncertainty principle.

Plus, what we see is always ilusion. 100% ilusion. There is a concept called "Qualia" and I recommend you guys to see this.

We are blind in one sence.

[Andy Griffin]

Yeah. I would say I'm a anti-theist myself.

In other words...if you did believe in any god...you'd hate him/her/it ??   

[Tre]

No time to read this whole goddamned thread, but for you church-going people, do you feel the word 'metrosexual' should be used in a Christian church?   (it was used as a pejorative)

[lovemonkey]

The opinion of you guys refrect how christians you guys are in deep conciousness even you guys are saying that you guys are atheists.

Many christian believe what they see. And They have a tendency of trying to believe in one thing to calm their fear. Not believing in something cause fear. Some must believe that saying "There is no god. only science there."
 haha, first of all, that science itself is very ilusional...Thats all the supreme scientists of now a day are saying.

You guys also.

You guys are believing that our conciousness is so perfect that we can judge anything.

Thats a Isaac Newtons concept. But, Now a day, we have quantum theory which include uncertainty principle.

Plus, what we see is always ilusion. 100% ilusion. There is a concept called "Qualia" and I recommend you guys to see this.

We are blind in one sence.

And the same should be true for you. If our understanding of the universe is an illusion then so is yours.
There is absolutely NO evidence for the existence of "god". Stop acting like you think you know.

EDIT: Oh and on the topic of fear and calming yourself, being an atheist doesn't exactly give you comfort does it? I'm pretty certain that when I'm dead there is no soul of afterlife. I'm just gone. So the argument that becoming an atheist "calms" you is garbage.

[#1 Klaus fan]

The opinion of you guys refrect how christians you guys are in deep conciousness even you guys are saying that you guys are atheists.

Many christian believe what they see. And They have a tendency of trying to believe in one thing to calm their fear. Not believing in something cause fear. Some must believe that saying "There is no god. only science there."
 haha, first of all, that science itself is very ilusional...Thats all the supreme scientists of now a day are saying.

You guys also.

You guys are believing that our conciousness is so perfect that we can judge anything.

Thats a Isaac Newtons concept. But, Now a day, we have quantum theory which include uncertainty principle.

Plus, what we see is always ilusion. 100% ilusion. There is a concept called "Qualia" and I recommend you guys to see this.

We are blind in one sence.

When all of the quantum physics are explained where will god hide next?

[Andy Griffin]

No time to read this whole goddamned thread, but for you church-going people, do you feel the word 'metrosexual' should be used in a Christian church?   (it was used as a pejorative)

Good question.  Most Christians would ideally avoid using any perjorative language in church (or outside of church, for that matter).  I'm assuming you are referring to some specific incident here.  Can you elaborate?  

Before anybody jumps on me with the usual, "The meanest people I ever met claimed to be Christians," etc., please understand I did say "ideally."

[kyomu]

And the same should be true for you. If our understanding of the universe is an illusion then so is yours.
There is absolutely NO evidence for the existence of "god". Stop acting like you think you know.

Just I say the truth.

First of all, before you deny the existance of God, tell me what the god is?

[kyomu]

When all of the quantum physics are explained where will god hide next?

I didnt say anything that God exists in quantum theory.

[#1 Klaus fan]

I didnt say anything that God exists in quantum theory.

But it sounded like you used the "god of holes" argument or what ever it is called.

[lovemonkey]

Just I say the truth.

First of all, before you deny the existance of God, tell me [u]what the god is[/u]?

Here:

If we're talking about a supreme being with ability to suspend natural laws, then no atheists do not rely on faith. Just because you can't disprove something does not make it true.

How hypocritical, how can you claim to know the truth while we others can't? Now if you wanna make a case for yourself, you better give your definition of what "god" is, and then prove its existence.

[kyomu]

And the same should be true for you. If our understanding of the universe is an illusion then so is yours.
There is absolutely NO evidence for the existence of "god". Stop acting like you think you know.

EDIT: Oh and on the topic of fear and calming yourself, being an atheist doesn't exactly give you comfort does it? I'm pretty certain that when I'm dead there is no soul of afterlife. I'm just gone. So the argument that becoming an atheist "calms" you is garbage.

And if i say that yourself dont exist before going next life or arguing about soul?

[kyomu]

Here:
How hypocritical, how can you claim to know the truth while we others can't? Now if you wanna make a case for yourself, you better give your definition of what "god" is, and then prove its existence.

what a christian you are.....

I know the truth that WE CANT KNOW ANYTHING AND I KNOW NOTHING.

[kyomu]

Here:
How hypocritical, how can you claim to know the truth while we others can't? Now if you wanna make a case for yourself, you better give your definition of what "god" is, and then prove its existence.

Its like, Chicken and egg.

Some people say chicken is the beginning. Other say egg is beginning.
If that god is the sun, God exists. Cus we can consider that we are the expression of solar energy.
Supernatural? If you call,your drinking water is miracle, it is. Its up to you.

[#1 Klaus fan]

"ARGUMENT FROM BLINDNESS (II)
(1) God is love.
(2) Love is blind.
(3) Stevie Wonder is blind.
(4) Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.
(5) Therefore, God exists."

[lovemonkey]

what a christian you are.....

I know the truth that WE CANT KNOW ANYTHING AND I KNOW NOTHING.

LOL my way of thinking has nothing to do with being christian. Don't confuse enlightened western thinking/values with christianity.

I can not say for certain there is no god, if there comes any evidence that proves its existence it wouldn't be a matter of faith anymore and I would be fine with that. But I gotta admit though that the thought of having an almighty supreme ruler doesn't sound too nice.

Do you believe in a god or not?

[kyomu]

"ARGUMENT FROM BLINDNESS (II)
(1) God is love.
(2) Love is blind.
(3) Stevie Wonder is blind.
(4) Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.
(5) Therefore, God exists."

Hahahaha! Thats funny.

But, hey, if some nuts believe that defenition deeply, there is god for him.
Maybe when he sees S wonder, he become very happy in that day.

[lovemonkey]

Its like, Chicken and egg.

Some people say chicken is the beginning. Other say egg is beginning.
If that god is the sun, God exists. Cus we can consider that we are the expression of solar energy.
Supernatural? If you call,your drinking water is miracle, it is. Its up to you.

Answer this first:

If we're talking about a supreme being with ability to suspend natural laws

If the answer is no, then your definition of God is just metaphors for nature. The same way Einstein said "then we can know the mind of God". He was an atheist but just used the word God as a metaphor to describe the natural order.

[kyomu]

Answer this first:

If the answer is no, then your definition of God is just metaphors for nature. The same way Einstein said "then we can know the mind of God". He was an atheist but just used the word God as a metaphor to describe the natural order.

The first problem is that your defenition of god is not clear.
Something controle us?
Yes. A lots of thing. If we say the physical phenomenon is god, it exists.
Ying and Yang phenomenon is God also. Our conciousness is also....etc.

They all controle us and tie us up.....Wooops I forgot. An ideology! It ties up also.

We can say that they are god.

There is no fvkin a bit difference with that spreme power you call.

[Drama Queen]

We can say that they are god.

God exist ,end of the thread.