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PAUL KRUGMAN turning on Obama's plans. Good article.
« on: March 23, 2009, 08:31:44 AM »
Op-Ed Columnist
Financial Policy Despair
BY PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: March 22, 2009

Over the weekend The Times and other newspapers reported leaked details about the Obama administration’s bank rescue plan, which is to be officially released this week. If the reports are correct, Tim Geithner, the Treasury secretary, has persuaded President Obama to recycle Bush administration policy — specifically, the “cash for trash” plan proposed, then abandoned, six months ago by then-Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson.

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Read All Comments (264) »This is more than disappointing. In fact, it fills me with a sense of despair.

After all, we’ve just been through the firestorm over the A.I.G. bonuses, during which administration officials claimed that they knew nothing, couldn’t do anything, and anyway it was someone else’s fault. Meanwhile, the administration has failed to quell the public’s doubts about what banks are doing with taxpayer money.

And now Mr. Obama has apparently settled on a financial plan that, in essence, assumes that banks are fundamentally sound and that bankers know what they’re doing.

It’s as if the president were determined to confirm the growing perception that he and his economic team are out of touch, that their economic vision is clouded by excessively close ties to Wall Street. And by the time Mr. Obama realizes that he needs to change course, his political capital may be gone.

Let’s talk for a moment about the economics of the situation.

Right now, our economy is being dragged down by our dysfunctional financial system, which has been crippled by huge losses on mortgage-backed securities and other assets.

As economic historians can tell you, this is an old story, not that different from dozens of similar crises over the centuries. And there’s a time-honored procedure for dealing with the aftermath of widespread financial failure. It goes like this: the government secures confidence in the system by guaranteeing many (though not necessarily all) bank debts. At the same time, it takes temporary control of truly insolvent banks, in order to clean up their books.

That’s what Sweden did in the early 1990s. It’s also what we ourselves did after the savings and loan debacle of the Reagan years. And there’s no reason we can’t do the same thing now.

But the Obama administration, like the Bush administration, apparently wants an easier way out. The common element to the Paulson and Geithner plans is the insistence that the bad assets on banks’ books are really worth much, much more than anyone is currently willing to pay for them. In fact, their true value is so high that if they were properly priced, banks wouldn’t be in trouble.

And so the plan is to use taxpayer funds to drive the prices of bad assets up to “fair” levels. Mr. Paulson proposed having the government buy the assets directly. Mr. Geithner instead proposes a complicated scheme in which the government lends money to private investors, who then use the money to buy the stuff. The idea, says Mr. Obama’s top economic adviser, is to use “the expertise of the market” to set the value of toxic assets.

But the Geithner scheme would offer a one-way bet: if asset values go up, the investors profit, but if they go down, the investors can walk away from their debt. So this isn’t really about letting markets work. It’s just an indirect, disguised way to subsidize purchases of bad assets.

The likely cost to taxpayers aside, there’s something strange going on here. By my count, this is the third time Obama administration officials have floated a scheme that is essentially a rehash of the Paulson plan, each time adding a new set of bells and whistles and claiming that they’re doing something completely different. This is starting to look obsessive.

But the real problem with this plan is that it won’t work. Yes, troubled assets may be somewhat undervalued. But the fact is that financial executives literally bet their banks on the belief that there was no housing bubble, and the related belief that unprecedented levels of household debt were no problem. They lost that bet. And no amount of financial hocus-pocus — for that is what the Geithner plan amounts to — will change that fact.

You might say, why not try the plan and see what happens? One answer is that time is wasting: every month that we fail to come to grips with the economic crisis another 600,000 jobs are lost.

Even more important, however, is the way Mr. Obama is squandering his credibility. If this plan fails — as it almost surely will — it’s unlikely that he’ll be able to persuade Congress to come up with more funds to do what he should have done in the first place.

All is not lost: the public wants Mr. Obama to succeed, which means that he can still rescue his bank rescue plan. But time is running out.

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Krugman sees the writing on the wall.

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« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2009, 09:39:31 AM »
I have to agree with Krugman on basis of this part of the bail out.  It seems nobody is doing a thing about going after the root cause of the problem.  There's a blind eye turned towards the culprits on Wall street...unless of course one is looking for taxpayer handouts, then they are as conspicuous as all hell.

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« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2009, 09:43:50 AM »
I have to agree with Krugman on basis of this part of the bail out.  It seems nobody is doing a thing about going after the root cause of the problem.  There's a blind eye turned towards the culprits on Wall street...unless of course one is looking for taxpayer handouts, then they are as conspicuous as all hell.

That is because Obama is surrounded by the same people Bush was.  Geithner was Paulsons' righ hand man and Robert Rubins' self proclaimed "protoge'". 

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« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2009, 09:48:50 AM »
That is because Obama is surrounded by the same people Bush was.  Geithner was Paulsons' righ hand man and Robert Rubins' self proclaimed "protoge'". 
That is quite true.

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« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2009, 09:50:39 AM »
That is quite true.

Wall Street banksters are no different than drug addicts and alcoholics.

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« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2009, 10:04:28 AM »
Rescuing the banking system is necessary. But Americans deserve control of the bailout since it's their money.
The tradition in USA to not intervene in the corporate world prevents the government from taking full control and making necessary changes in the board room et al.
Instead the government just pours more money into the banks and let the same people run the show.

Right now temporary nationalization of all banks that are in trouble has to be done.
That will show the citizens that their money aren't gone to waste but rather kept under a very tight scrutiny.

Doing this is not about socialism or capitalism. It's about bank management.   
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« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2009, 04:02:35 PM »
To be honest 33366, I'm more than a little surprised to see you post an article by Krugman.
I think the article's good and shit.
But I thought you were totally against temporary nationalization of banks due to ideological reasons?

Good to see you being pragmatic about the whole deal. 8)
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« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2009, 04:06:20 PM »
Another Obama Lemming jumping from the cliff of Hope and Change.
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« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2009, 04:18:17 PM »
Good grief!  You KNOW it's bad when the likes of Paul Krugman start to criticize you.   :-\

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Re: PAUL KRUGMAN turning on Obama's plans. Good article.
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2009, 04:29:06 PM »
To be honest 33366, I'm more than a little surprised to see you post an article by Krugman.
I think the article's good and shit.
But I thought you were totally against temporary nationalization of banks due to ideological reasons?

Good to see you being pragmatic about the whole deal. 8)

I agree with Krugman that the premise of this whole thing is backward.

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« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2009, 07:23:02 PM »
I agree with Krugman that the premise of this whole thing is backward.
LOL @ this right wing retard coming out in support of Krugman.  ;D  He's as lefty and Keynesian as they come.

Paul Krugman wanted a much larger stimulus package than the one Obama put through and advocates nationalization of the troubled banks.
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« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2009, 08:09:48 PM »
I can't read all that right now, but isn't he that neocon douche bag??
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« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2009, 08:13:46 PM »
I can't read all that right now, but isn't he that neocon douche bag??

He won the Nobel prize for economics last year.

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« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2009, 09:18:14 PM »
Maybe I'm mixed up.
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« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2009, 09:31:20 PM »
I can't read all that right now, but isn't he that neocon douche bag??

youre thinking of kockheimer, the token neotwat

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« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2009, 09:32:36 PM »
Maybe I'm mixed up.
Krugman writes for the NYT...that pretty much tells you that he's left of center. As stated, he is a Nobel Prize winner of Economics in 2008, and Princeton Econ professor.

The NYT has the best opinion page in print journalism, but they are strong-willed and although mostly left (exception David Brooks) they won't hesitate to bash the President if they see fit. I think every column in Sunday's Times took shots at Obama...Rich, Friedman, Krugman, and of course my favorite op-ed writer, the brilliant but very snarky Maureen Dowd. She can be really mean spirited and piss me off, but her way with words can be considered nothing short of brilliant.

youre thinking of kockheimer, the token neotwat
Krauthheimer is the WP and a FOX News commentator.
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« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2009, 09:33:50 PM »
Krauthheimer is the WP and a FOX News commentator.

yea, he's also a neocon botboy

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« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2009, 09:36:48 PM »
yea, he's also a neocon botboy

excuse me, it was krauthammer, not heimer. HE is the neocon douchebag