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James · « **on:** March 23, 2009, 10:38:15 AM »

Venezuela's Chavez calls Obama "ignoramus"

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE52L19G20090322?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #1 on:** March 23, 2009, 10:54:04 AM »

uncanny, both of us around the same time

SAMSON123 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 23, 2009, 11:00:55 AM »

Quote from: James on March 23, 2009, 10:38:15 AM

Venezuela's Chavez calls Obama "ignoramus"

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE52L19G20090322?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true

He's right...

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #3 on:** March 23, 2009, 11:46:48 AM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on March 23, 2009, 10:54:04 AM

uncanny, both of us around the same time

Where is Straw, Benny, and Lurker?

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Schiff/Celente - 2012!

headhuntersix · « **Reply #4 on:** March 23, 2009, 11:49:27 AM »

While I hate Obama...Hugo come on u fat worthless commie.....put down the ho ho's and fix ur own 3rd world shithole before mouthing off to us.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #5 on:** March 23, 2009, 07:53:51 PM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on March 23, 2009, 11:49:27 AM

While I hate Obama...Hugo come on u fat worthless commie.....put down the ho ho's and fix ur own 3rd world shithole before mouthing off to us.

uh, looks like unemployment and poverty are way down there. Literacy rate is way up. This despite a corporate revolt, a recall attempt and a coup attempt and every other thing they could do to undermine him.

unemployment chart:
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?c=ve&v=74

Poverty:
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?v=69&c=ve&l=en

Literacy:
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?v=39&c=ve&l=en

Public Debt:
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?v=143&c=ve&l=en

Fury · « **Reply #6 on:** March 23, 2009, 08:00:25 PM »

And to think, only 30%+ inflation (rocketing up), Caracas is the murder capitol of the world, people are starving because of massive food shortages and a host of other issues! Yes, success!

He seems intent on starving the entire population by setting the price for foods like rice at a level where every firm goes broke.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #7 on:** March 23, 2009, 08:31:36 PM »

Not shocking considering everything that's been done by globalist neoliberals and America to undermine everything under Chavez. 99% fail up against that force yet he's managed to improve several areas. Amazing actually.

Fury · « **Reply #8 on:** March 23, 2009, 08:33:32 PM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on March 23, 2009, 08:31:36 PM

Not shocking considering everything that's been done by globalist neoliberals and America to undermine everything under Chavez. 99% fail up against that force yet he's managed to improve several areas. Amazing actually.

He hasn't managed to improve shit dude. Their inflation is skyrocketing. Their people are starving. Their capital is the murder center of the world. He's bankrupting every firm and civilian producer of rice. They're importing more and more because no one can produce at the government set prices.

No one's telling him to set the price of rice at levels where NO ONE can produce it profitably. He's starving that country because he's a thick headed twat who can't govern correctly. Not that I care. Couldn't be any more hilarious watching you idolize a failure of a leader.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #9 on:** March 23, 2009, 08:46:05 PM »

Inflation rate:

http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?v=71&c=ve&l=en

Fury · « **Reply #10 on:** March 23, 2009, 08:50:32 PM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on March 23, 2009, 08:46:05 PM

Inflation rate:

http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?v=71&c=ve&l=en

It's over 30 percent right now. Pretty nice jump up from 2008. He's working wonders. Hahahaha.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #11 on:** March 23, 2009, 08:54:27 PM »

Quote from: BerzerkFury on March 23, 2009, 08:33:32 PM

He hasn't managed to improve shit dude. Their inflation is skyrocketing. Their people are starving. Their capital is the murder center of the world. He's bankrupting every firm and civilian producer of rice. They're importing more and more because no one can produce at the government set prices.

No one's telling him to set the price of rice at levels where NO ONE can produce it profitably. He's starving that country because he's a thick headed twat who can't govern correctly. Not that I care. Couldn't be any more hilarious watching you idolize a failure of a leader.

Look what happened under Carlos Andrés Pérez, yet he's a hero to neoliberal anti-Chavez crowd. Kind of a hypocritical to hold him up as the man while and nail Hugo for inflation at the same time. There are elements at work to undermine him that effect things like inflation and employment. So I ask, what would the picture look like for Venezuela without all the moves by the most powerful nation and globalist organizations in the world seeking to undermine everything Chavez does? Again, it's a freaking miracle he's still there. most would have fallen with those forces against them.

Fury · « **Reply #12 on:** March 23, 2009, 09:01:45 PM »

Can you give me a valid reason for his seeming desire to starve the Venezuelan population? He can't be too smart if he's willing to drive out every producer of rice by setting prices at levels where the producers stand no chance of making profits and are in-fact losing money on everything they produce.

Nice little article from two weeks ago on the whole situation.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/venezuela/4938993/Venezuelas-Hugo-Chavez-tightens-state-control-of-food-amid-rocketing-inflation-and-food-shortages.html

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #13 on:** March 23, 2009, 09:41:11 PM »

Quote from: BerzerkFury on March 23, 2009, 09:01:45 PM

Can you give me a valid reason for his seeming desire to starve the Venezuelan population? He can't be too smart if he's willing to drive out every producer of rice by setting prices at levels where the producers stand no chance of making profits and are in-fact losing money on everything they produce.

Nice little article from two weeks ago on the whole situation.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/venezuela/4938993/Venezuelas-Hugo-Chavez-tightens-state-control-of-food-amid-rocketing-inflation-and-food-shortages.html

You want to talk about starving the population? How many people do you think went hungry when over half of the population lived under the poverty line before Chavez?

http://www.cepr.net/documents/venezuelan_poverty_rates_2006_05.pdf

Were you guys bitching about that then? probably not.

As I said, there are heavy forces at work to undermine Chavez and it would be silly to say these were not factors in these problems you bring up.

George Whorewell · « **Reply #14 on:** March 24, 2009, 04:39:08 PM »

LOL- Hugo I used to think your name was just meant tongue in cheek. You really think Hugo Chavez is a good leader and is good for Venezuela?

You do know who we are talking about right? The Hugo Chavez in your avatar. The moron who was told to shut his mouth midway through a tirade before the UN. The one who locks up voices of dissention and has made himself dictator for life. Just to be clear- I'm not undermining your point of view. I just wanted to make sure we are talking about the same Hugo Chavez.

headhuntersix · « **Reply #15 on:** March 24, 2009, 04:42:42 PM »

Hugo...

Dude, if Obama, Bush or anybody did half the shit this guy has done to stay in power, u'd have attacked DC urself.

loco · « **Reply #16 on:** March 24, 2009, 06:07:22 PM »

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #17 on:** March 24, 2009, 08:44:31 PM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on March 24, 2009, 04:42:42 PM

Hugo...

Dude, if Obama, Bush or anybody did half the shit this guy has done to stay in power, u'd have attacked DC urself.

If we're going to relate our countries, what would have happened here if well over half of the country lived below the poverty line in America as they did in Venezuela before Hugo? Then go ahead and imagine a new leader is voted in that is a polar opposite to those who oversaw such a time and lets say another country funded a coup to overthrow the new leadership in America, a wide reaching business revolt and also fund the same people who ruled over 50+ percent poverty in order to get them back in power?

If you're going to compare, by all means lets draw up a realistic comparison, what would we do to a country that fucked with us like that? Would people march on DC with over half the country in poverty? Can you give me a serious answer that isn't evasive?

loco · « **Reply #18 on:** March 25, 2009, 06:58:58 AM »

Hugo Chavez tried to overthrow Carlos Andres Perez, a leader who was democratically elected by the Venezuelan people. Chavez tried to overthrow him using military force and violence. But now that Hugo Chavez himself has also been democratically elected by the Venezuelan people, he expects everyone to respect that and not even think about overthrowing him no matter what he does.

loco · « **Reply #19 on:** March 25, 2009, 07:22:08 AM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on March 25, 2009, 07:05:04 AM

you never answered my question before about this, wonder why. Sounds like earned a coup attempt.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=264693.50

Also, attempts against Hugo have been heavily funded and supported from America. Who aided in the coup attempt against CAP?

What do you want me to say? I know as much about it as you do.

No matter who funds any coup attempt, Chavez has nothing to complain about. He tried to overthrow, using military force and violence, a leader who was democratically elected by the Venezuelan people.

Benny B · « **Reply #20 on:** March 25, 2009, 07:49:54 AM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on March 25, 2009, 07:05:04 AM

you never answered my question before about this, wonder why. Sounds like earned a coup attempt.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=264693.50

Also, attempts against Hugo have been heavily funded and supported from America. Who aided in the coup attempt against CAP?

How many Black Venezuelans currently live in Colorado?

Benny B · « **Reply #21 on:** March 25, 2009, 07:53:54 AM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on March 25, 2009, 07:51:54 AM

thousands, we're gearing up to take the state and found New Venezuela.

Cool brother. Let me know how I may be able to aid the revolution.

Deicide · « **Reply #22 on:** March 25, 2009, 07:56:54 AM »

Quote from: loco on March 25, 2009, 07:22:08 AM

What do you want me to say? I know as much about it as you do.

No matter who funds any coup attempt, Chavez has nothing to complain about. He tried to overthrow, using military force and violence, a leader who was democratically elected by the Venezuelan people.

Quisiera oír más sobre tus opiniones con respecto a Venezuela puesto que vienes del país.

loco · « **Reply #23 on:** March 25, 2009, 08:17:36 AM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on March 25, 2009, 07:50:23 AM

I thought you lived there? Didn't you say that once?

Chavez was responsible for halting the coup.

Look up Caracazo. There's some documentaries on youtube too. From what I've read, the guy looks to have started out good in his early career but went bad and everything went to shit when he hooked up with the IMF as usually happens in every country they poison. CAP is like Venezuela's Hitler.

I told you already, I know as much about it as you do. I am not always in the middle of everything, thankfully. I don't believe everything I see or hear in the media from either side, and I don't believe everything I read.

All I'm saying is no matter who funds any coup attempt, Chavez has nothing to complain about. He tried to overthrow, using military force and violence, a leader who was democratically elected by the Venezuelan people.

Not everybody wanted Carlos Andres Perez overthrown. And I am talking about the common people.

Carlos Andres Perez was corrupt, like any other president. If that's good enough reason to use violence to overthrow a democratically elected leader, just about every leader would be violently overthrown.

During Perez first term, Venezuela prospered. Whether or not it was thanks to him, and though he was still corrupt, people loved him anyway.

Before Chavez mutilated the Venezuelan constitution, a Venezuelan citizen could be elected president many times, as long as it wasn't consecutively. After his four year term, the president had to step down for at least one full four year term to give others a chance.

During Perez second term, a few years later, there was a economic crisis. Whether or not it was his fault, people blamed him for it. If that's good enough reason to use violence to overthrow a democratically elected leader, just about every leader in the world would be violently overthrown right about now.

loco · « **Reply #24 on:** March 25, 2009, 10:08:28 AM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on March 25, 2009, 09:19:47 AM

uh, yea... I would say the guy deserved a coup against him after what he did. I mean when people are debating if it's a genocide or not, something went way wrong. Of couse not everyone wanted him gone. All the wealthy were probably happy as pig shit they were about to have a final solution for the poor. and yes, it's well documented exactly why the crisis was CAP's fault. and certainly his response WAS his fault.

Hugo,
By the time these violations of human rights and extrajudicial killings came to the light, Hugo Chavez was president of Venezuela and CAP was long gone.

Therefore, at the time when Hugo Chavez used violence to try to overthrow CAP, it was on grounds of corruption and mainly because of the economic crisis.

Yes, CAP and/or people in the military and police force under his watch committed these atrocities and they deserve to pay, but that's not the reason Chavez rushed to try overthrow CAP.

And those who wanted to give CAP a chance while he was in power were not only the wealthy. They just did not yet know at the time how far his corruption ran, and they did not yet know about the extrajudicial killings either.

My statement still stands. If Hugo used violence to try to overthrow a democratically elected president on the grounds of corruption or because of a financial crisis, then he shouldn't complain about people wanting to rise up and try to overthrow him too.