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China Calls For New Global Currency
« on: March 24, 2009, 11:35:13 PM »
Do the Chinese know of an imminent collapse coming sooner than americans think and want to make sure they are repaid given its LARGE holdings of american money/investments.

China calls for new global currency
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In this March 9, 2009 file photo, China's central bank Governor Zhou Xiaochuan AP –



In this March 9, 2009 file photo, China's central bank Governor Zhou Xiaochuan speaks during a news conference …
By JOE McDONALD, AP Business Writer Joe Mcdonald, Ap Business Writer – Tue Mar 24, 10:23 pm ET

BEIJING – China is calling for a new global currency to replace the dominant dollar, showing a growing assertiveness on revamping the world economy ahead of next week's London summit on the financial crisis.

The surprise proposal by Beijing's central bank governor reflects unease about its vast holdings of U.S. government bonds and adds to Chinese pressure to overhaul a global financial system dominated by the dollar and Western governments. Both the United States and the European Union brushed off the idea.

The world economic crisis shows the "inherent vulnerabilities and systemic risks in the existing international monetary system," Gov. Zhou Xiaochuan said in an essay released Monday by the bank. He recommended creating a currency made up a basket of global currencies and controlled by the International Monetary Fund and said it would help "to achieve the objective of safeguarding global economic and financial stability."

Zhou did not mention the dollar by name. But in an unusual step, the essay was published in both Chinese and English, making clear it was meant for a foreign audience.

China has long been uneasy about relying on the dollar for the bulk of its trade and to store foreign reserves. Premier Wen Jiabao publicly appealed to Washington this month to avoid any response to the crisis that might weaken the dollar and the value of Beijing's estimated $1 trillion in Treasuries and other U.S. government debt.

For decades, the dollar has been the world's most widely used currency. Many governments hold a large portion of their reserves in dollars. Crude oil and many commodities are priced in dollars. Business deals around the world are done in dollars.

But the financial crisis has highlighted how America's economic problems — and by extension the dollar — can wreak havoc on nations around the world. China is in a bind. To keep the value of its currency steady — some say undervalued — the Chinese government has to recycle its huge trade surpluses, and the biggest, most liquid option for investing them is U.S. government debt.

To better insulate countries from the ills of one country or one currency, Zhou said the IMF should create a "reserve currency" based on shares in the body held by its 185 member nations, known as special drawing rights, or SDRs.

He said it also should be used for trade, pricing commodities and accounting, not just government finance.

President Barack Obama described China's proposal as unnecessary during a prime-time news conference Tuesday.

"I don't believe that there's a need for a global currency," Obama said.

The president also pointed to the current strength of American money. "The reason the dollar is strong right now is because investors consider the United States the strongest economy in the world with the most stable political system in the world."

Earlier in the day, both U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke took similar positions at a congressional hearing. They were asked by Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., if they would "categorically renounce the United States moving away from the dollar and going to a global currency," and both said they would.

And the European Union's top economy official said the dollar's role as the international reserve currency is secure despite China's proposal.

"Everybody agrees also that the present world reserve currency, the dollar, is there and will continue to be there for a long period of time," EU Commissioner Joaquin Almunia said Tuesday after a meeting of the European Commission.

Zhou also called for changing how SDRs are valued. Currently, they are based on the value of four currencies — the dollar, euro, yen and British pound. "The basket of currencies forming the basis for SDR valuation should be expanded to include currencies of all major economies," he wrote.

Beijing has been unusually bold in recent months in expressing concern about Washington's financial management and pushing for global economic changes. That reflects both its relative financial health and growing concern that increased globalization means missteps abroad could harm its own economy.

Zhou's comments are also part of China's longstanding push to reform the IMF, World Bank and global financial system to give greater voice to China and other developing economies — another theme that will be heard from China, Brazil, Russia and India at the summit of Group of 20 major economies next week.

"Overdue reforms should give proper representation to and increase the say of the emerging and developing economies," Yi Xianrong, a researcher with the Institute of Economics and Finances at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, a government think-tank, wrote in the government newspaper China Daily.

"Proper representation and a bigger voice for the developing countries are the need of the hour. For instance, being the world's third-largest economy and the largest foreign reserves holder, China should get its due place in the monetary body."

Another idea Yi raised was that the U.S. and Europe should give up their traditional privileges of appointing the heads of the World Bank and the IMF.

The idea of a creating a new global reserve currency isn't new. But analysts say the proposal isn't likely to gain much traction because it faces major obstacles. It would require acceptance from nations that have long used the dollar and hold huge stockpiles of the U.S. currency.

"There has been for decades talk about creating an international reserve currency and it has never really progressed," said Michael Pettis, a finance professor at Peking University's Guanghua School of Management.

Managing such a currency would require balancing the contradictory needs of countries with high and low growth or with trade surpluses or deficits, Pettis said. He said the 16 European nations that use the euro have faced "huge difficulties" in managing monetary policy even though their economies are similar.

"It's hard for me to imagine how it's going to be easier for the world to have a common currency for trade," he said.

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Chinese central bank (in Chinese): http://www.pbc.gov.cn

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Re: China Calls For New Global Currency
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2009, 11:41:53 PM »
As long as Europe is with us - and they are - I'm not too worried.

Yes, the dollar will lose influence thanks to bush's wars and obama's borrowing.  Yes, it'll be deflated thanks to the happy little printing press.

And yes, in 20 or 30 or 50 years, maybe there will be a shift to some world currency.  But let's be honest here - our leaders would (rightly) start a few wars to prevent our dollar, society, and nation from collapsing.  And the world knows that.  We have 800 bases that would ruin their day should they try to send us to the poorhouse.

The dollar got its ass kicked this year, but it will recover.  It's gonna suck, and it'll never have that gleam it used to.  But as long as we have enough firepower to cook the first guy that tries to make us poor, everyone will probably just let shit ride, and come up with little proposals like this to keep the idea out there. 

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« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2009, 12:33:14 AM »
Benny needs to pull his head out of the sand :D  It looks like all the major players are ready to head down the one world government route.  Not shocking for many who have known this was coming for a long time.

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Obama's address yesterday had cues favorable to being on board with all these other leaders.
When people find their money is worthless and they're desperate, they will be begging for this new global currency and order.  Now why would they want to create this depression again?  Pretty obvious imo.

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« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2009, 12:48:31 AM »
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« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2009, 01:41:44 AM »
As long as Europe is with us - and they are - I'm not too worried.

Yes, the dollar will lose influence thanks to bush's wars and obama's borrowing.  Yes, it'll be deflated thanks to the happy little printing press.

And yes, in 20 or 30 or 50 years, maybe there will be a shift to some world currency.  But let's be honest here - our leaders would (rightly) start a few wars to prevent our dollar, society, and nation from collapsing.  And the world knows that.  We have 800 bases that would ruin their day should they try to send us to the poorhouse.

The dollar got its ass kicked this year, but it will recover.  It's gonna suck, and it'll never have that gleam it used to.  But as long as we have enough firepower to cook the first guy that tries to make us poor, everyone will probably just let shit ride, and come up with little proposals like this to keep the idea out there. 

Wow, that's impressive; we've got the guns. ::)
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« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2009, 03:15:02 AM »
Benny needs to pull his head out of the sand :D  It looks like all the major players are ready to head down the one world government route.  Not shocking for many who have known this was coming for a long time.

Sarkozy calls for EU "Economic Government"(also includes: Barroso, Farage, de Villiers)


Worldwide Currency System to be Presented to U.S.A. by EU Leaders


Putin calling for common rules that govern all markets globally.


Gordon Brown calls for New World Order, a "Global New Deal":


Obama's address yesterday had cues favorable to being on board with all these other leaders.
When people find their money is worthless and they're desperate, they will be begging for this new global currency and order.  Now why would they want to create this depression again?  Pretty obvious imo.

Good stuff. I am always torn on the EU. I like the labour mobility stuff but lots of other things bother me.
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Re: China Calls For New Global Currency
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2009, 05:57:24 AM »
The EU Czech president heavily criticized Obama's plan for dealing with the US and global recessions.  Link below:

STRASBOURG, France —  A top European Union politician on Wednesday slammed U.S. plans to spend its way out of recession as "a way to hell."

Czech Prime Minister Mirek Topolanek, whose country currently holds the EU presidency, told the European Parliament that President Barack Obama's massive stimulus package and banking bailout "will undermine the stability of the global financial market."

A day after his government collapsed because of a parliamentary vote of no-confidence, Topolanek took the EU presidency on a collision course with Washington over how to deal with the global economic recession.

Most European leaders favor tighter financial regulation, while the U.S. has been pushing for larger economic stimulus plans.
Topolanek's comments are the strongest criticism so far from a European leader as the 27-nation bloc bristles from recent U.S. criticism that it is not spending enough to stimulate demand.

They also pave the way for a stormy summit next week in London between leaders of the Group of 20 industrialized countries.
The host of the summit, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, praised Obama on Tuesday for his willingness to work with Europe on reforming the global economy in the run-up to the G-20 summit.

The United States plans to spend heavily to try and lift its economy out of recession with a $787 billion economic stimulus plan of tax rebates, health and welfare benefits, as well as extra energy and infrastructure spending.

To encourage banks to lend again, the government will also pump $1 trillion into the financial system by buying up treasury bonds and mortgage securities in an effort to clear some of the "toxic assets" — devalued and untradeable assets — from banks' balance sheets.

Topolanek bluntly said that "the United States did not take the right path.".

He slammed the U.S.' widening budget deficit and protectionist trade measures — such as the "Buy America" — and said that "all of these steps, these combinations and permanency is the way to hell."
"We need to read the history books and the lessons of history and the biggest success of the (EU) is the refusal to go this way," he said.

"Americans will need liquidity to finance all their measures and they will balance this with the sale of their bonds but this will undermine the stability of the global financial market," said Topolanek.

Obama insisted Tuesday that his massive budget proposal is moving the nation down the right path and will help the ailing economy grow again. "This budget is inseparable from this recovery," he said, "because it is what lays the foundation for a secure and lasting prosperity."

Obama also claimed early progress in his aggressive campaign to lead the United States out of its worst economic crisis in 70 years and declared that despite obstacles ahead, the U.S. is "moving in the right direction."


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« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2009, 06:45:51 AM »
The EU Czech president heavily criticized Obama's plan for dealing with the US and global recessions.  Link below:

STRASBOURG, France —  A top European Union politician on Wednesday slammed U.S. plans to spend its way out of recession as "a way to hell."

Czech Prime Minister Mirek Topolanek, whose country currently holds the EU presidency, told the European Parliament that President Barack Obama's massive stimulus package and banking bailout "will undermine the stability of the global financial market."

A day after his government collapsed because of a parliamentary vote of no-confidence, Topolanek took the EU presidency on a collision course with Washington over how to deal with the global economic recession.

Most European leaders favor tighter financial regulation, while the U.S. has been pushing for larger economic stimulus plans.
Topolanek's comments are the strongest criticism so far from a European leader as the 27-nation bloc bristles from recent U.S. criticism that it is not spending enough to stimulate demand.

They also pave the way for a stormy summit next week in London between leaders of the Group of 20 industrialized countries.
The host of the summit, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, praised Obama on Tuesday for his willingness to work with Europe on reforming the global economy in the run-up to the G-20 summit.

The United States plans to spend heavily to try and lift its economy out of recession with a $787 billion economic stimulus plan of tax rebates, health and welfare benefits, as well as extra energy and infrastructure spending.

To encourage banks to lend again, the government will also pump $1 trillion into the financial system by buying up treasury bonds and mortgage securities in an effort to clear some of the "toxic assets" — devalued and untradeable assets — from banks' balance sheets.

Topolanek bluntly said that "the United States did not take the right path.".

He slammed the U.S.' widening budget deficit and protectionist trade measures — such as the "Buy America" — and said that "all of these steps, these combinations and permanency is the way to hell."
"We need to read the history books and the lessons of history and the biggest success of the (EU) is the refusal to go this way," he said.

"Americans will need liquidity to finance all their measures and they will balance this with the sale of their bonds but this will undermine the stability of the global financial market," said Topolanek.

Obama insisted Tuesday that his massive budget proposal is moving the nation down the right path and will help the ailing economy grow again. "This budget is inseparable from this recovery," he said, "because it is what lays the foundation for a secure and lasting prosperity."

Obama also claimed early progress in his aggressive campaign to lead the United States out of its worst economic crisis in 70 years and declared that despite obstacles ahead, the U.S. is "moving in the right direction."



Truth is, everyone thinks they have the answer and no one really knows where it is all going; thus it has ever been in matters economic. Despite this I would tend to believe that MORE spending and borrowing is probably not the best idea, after all it has been done before and seems to have amounted to nothing but failure.
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« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2009, 08:00:55 AM »
As long as Europe is with us - and they are - I'm not too worried.

Yes, the dollar will lose influence thanks to bush's wars and obama's borrowing.  Yes, it'll be deflated thanks to the happy little printing press.

And yes, in 20 or 30 or 50 years, maybe there will be a shift to some world currency.  But let's be honest here - our leaders would (rightly) start a few wars to prevent our dollar, society, and nation from collapsing.  And the world knows that.  We have 800 bases that would ruin their day should they try to send us to the poorhouse.

The dollar got its ass kicked this year, but it will recover.  It's gonna suck, and it'll never have that gleam it used to.  But as long as we have enough firepower to cook the first guy that tries to make us poor, everyone will probably just let shit ride, and come up with little proposals like this to keep the idea out there. 
Pretty much spot on. Obama ain't going for no world currency bullshit, and as long as th U.S. of A. says no, our European lackeys will follow suit and this will go nowhere.

There is no currency more stable or nation more respected for future stability than the U.S., and that's not changing in the foreseeable future. It's not just our military might, but  our democracy and the reliably consistent transfer of power. No one worries about a military coup or a radical change in government when they look for the safest currency to park their money.
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« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2009, 08:13:08 AM »
The EU Czech president heavily criticized Obama's plan for dealing with the US and global recessions.  Link below:

STRASBOURG, France —  A top European Union politician on Wednesday slammed U.S. plans to spend its way out of recession as "a way to hell."

Czech Prime Minister Mirek Topolanek, whose country currently holds the EU presidency, told the European Parliament that President Barack Obama's massive stimulus package and banking bailout "will undermine the stability of the global financial market."

A day after his government collapsed because of a parliamentary vote of no-confidence, Topolanek took the EU presidency on a collision course with Washington over how to deal with the global economic recession.

Most European leaders favor tighter financial regulation, while the U.S. has been pushing for larger economic stimulus plans.
Topolanek's comments are the strongest criticism so far from a European leader as the 27-nation bloc bristles from recent U.S. criticism that it is not spending enough to stimulate demand.

They also pave the way for a stormy summit next week in London between leaders of the Group of 20 industrialized countries.
The host of the summit, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, praised Obama on Tuesday for his willingness to work with Europe on reforming the global economy in the run-up to the G-20 summit.

The United States plans to spend heavily to try and lift its economy out of recession with a $787 billion economic stimulus plan of tax rebates, health and welfare benefits, as well as extra energy and infrastructure spending.

To encourage banks to lend again, the government will also pump $1 trillion into the financial system by buying up treasury bonds and mortgage securities in an effort to clear some of the "toxic assets" — devalued and untradeable assets — from banks' balance sheets.

Topolanek bluntly said that "the United States did not take the right path.".

He slammed the U.S.' widening budget deficit and protectionist trade measures — such as the "Buy America" — and said that "all of these steps, these combinations and permanency is the way to hell."
"We need to read the history books and the lessons of history and the biggest success of the (EU) is the refusal to go this way," he said.

"Americans will need liquidity to finance all their measures and they will balance this with the sale of their bonds but this will undermine the stability of the global financial market," said Topolanek.

Obama insisted Tuesday that his massive budget proposal is moving the nation down the right path and will help the ailing economy grow again. "This budget is inseparable from this recovery," he said, "because it is what lays the foundation for a secure and lasting prosperity."

Obama also claimed early progress in his aggressive campaign to lead the United States out of its worst economic crisis in 70 years and declared that despite obstacles ahead, the U.S. is "moving in the right direction."



EU presidency: US economic plans 'a road to hell'
By RAF CASERT, Associated Press Writer Raf Casert, Associated Press Writer 30 mins ago

STRASBOURG, France – The president of the European Union on Wednesday slammed U.S. plans to spend its way out of recession as "a road to hell."

...A day after his government collapsed because of a parliamentary vote of no-confidence...

The blunt comments pushed other European politicians into damage control mode, with some reproaching the Czech leader for his language and others reaffirming their good diplomatic ties with the U.S. ......
The host of the summit, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, praised Obama on Tuesday for his willingness to work with Europe on reforming the global economy in the run-up to the G-20 summit....

Since the EU presidency is expected to always to take the sensitivities of the member nations into account, the statement was daring and alarmed other European leaders, who moved quickly to mend fences with Washington.
Martin Schulz, leader of the Socialist group in the European parliament, said it was "not the level on which the EU ought to be operating with the United States."
"You have not understood what the task of the EU presidency is," he told Topolanek in the debate.
European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso also weighed in with a tribute to trans-Atlantic cooperation.
"I really believe it is not a helpful debate, as I see sometimes, to try to suggest that Americans and Europeans are coming with very different approaches to the crisis," he told legislators. "On the contrary, what we are seeing is increased convergence."
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Let's see how much this politician back peddles on his outrageous rhetoric when he meets with Obama in Prague in a few weeks. I suspect he'll be kissing the Presidents fanny from Prague to Brno by then.  ;) If not, he will when we start revoking some of the aid we give to his tiny little country that produces nothing much more than some extremely hot women.  ;D
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Re: China Calls For New Global Currency
« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2009, 08:33:59 AM »
EU presidency: US economic plans 'a road to hell'
By RAF CASERT, Associated Press Writer Raf Casert, Associated Press Writer 30 mins ago

STRASBOURG, France – The president of the European Union on Wednesday slammed U.S. plans to spend its way out of recession as "a road to hell."

...A day after his government collapsed because of a parliamentary vote of no-confidence...

The blunt comments pushed other European politicians into damage control mode, with some reproaching the Czech leader for his language and others reaffirming their good diplomatic ties with the U.S. ......
The host of the summit, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, praised Obama on Tuesday for his willingness to work with Europe on reforming the global economy in the run-up to the G-20 summit....

Since the EU presidency is expected to always to take the sensitivities of the member nations into account, the statement was daring and alarmed other European leaders, who moved quickly to mend fences with Washington.
Martin Schulz, leader of the Socialist group in the European parliament, said it was "not the level on which the EU ought to be operating with the United States."
"You have not understood what the task of the EU presidency is," he told Topolanek in the debate.
European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso also weighed in with a tribute to trans-Atlantic cooperation.
"I really believe it is not a helpful debate, as I see sometimes, to try to suggest that Americans and Europeans are coming with very different approaches to the crisis," he told legislators. "On the contrary, what we are seeing is increased convergence."
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Let's see how much this politician back peddles on his outrageous rhetoric when he meets with Obama in Prague in a few weeks. I suspect he'll be kissing the Presidents fanny from Prague to Brno by then.  ;) If not, he will when we start revoking some of the aid we give to his tiny little country that produces nothing much more than some extremely hot women.  ;D


You really think you know th US don't you...this is the END OF AMERICA you are witnessing and Obama will agree with what the EU leaders are going to put forth. america is BANKRUPT its money is worthless, it manufactures NOTHING, it has shown itself infantile and careless. Once Europe agrees on a plan one world currency which very well may be the Euro the dollar and america are over. No country needs america for anything anymore... as a matter of fact america has shown itself to be a burdon on the world as opposed to an asset. Watch Obama change his tune as the EU asserts itself in this go round..
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« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2009, 08:34:57 AM »
Pretty much spot on. Obama ain't going for no world currency bullshit, and as long as th U.S. of A. says no, our European lackeys will follow suit and this will go nowhere.

There is no currency more stable or nation more respected for future stability than the U.S., and that's not changing in the foreseeable future. It's not just our military might, but  our democracy and the reliably consistent transfer of power. No one worries about a military coup or a radical change in government when they look for the safest currency to park their money.

Without bashing and your usual vitriol please. You really believe this statement?
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« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2009, 08:37:22 AM »
You really think you know th US don't you...this is the END OF AMERICA you are witnessing and Obama will agree with what the EU leaders are going to put forth. america is BANKRUPT its money is worthless, it manufactures NOTHING, it has shown itself infantile and careless. Once Europe agrees on a plan one world currency which very well may be the Euro the dollar and america are over. No country needs america for anything anymore... as a matter of fact america has shown itself to be a burdon on the world as opposed to an asset. Watch Obama change his tune as the EU asserts itself in this go round..

Don't know. Being the reserve currency can be quite a burden and I don't know if Europe wants that burden but we will see.
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« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2009, 10:58:20 AM »
You really think you know th US don't you...this is the END OF AMERICA you are witnessing and Obama will agree with what the EU leaders are going to put forth. america is BANKRUPT its money is worthless, it manufactures NOTHING, it has shown itself infantile and careless. Once Europe agrees on a plan one world currency which very well may be the Euro the dollar and america are over. No country needs america for anything anymore... as a matter of fact america has shown itself to be a burdon on the world as opposed to an asset. Watch Obama change his tune as the EU asserts itself in this go round..
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« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2009, 10:59:49 AM »
Without bashing and your usual vitriol please. You really believe this statement?
YES

How's that for lack of bashing and vitriol?  ::)
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« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2009, 11:12:05 AM »
You really think you know th US don't you...this is the END OF AMERICA you are witnessing and Obama will agree with what the EU leaders are going to put forth. america is BANKRUPT its money is worthless, it manufactures NOTHING, it has shown itself infantile and careless. Once Europe agrees on a plan one world currency which very well may be the Euro the dollar and america are over. No country needs america for anything anymore... as a matter of fact america has shown itself to be a burdon on the world as opposed to an asset. Watch Obama change his tune as the EU asserts itself in this go round..

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« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2009, 11:16:36 AM »
YES

How's that for lack of bashing and vitriol?  ::)

Quite amazing...
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« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2009, 11:37:23 AM »
Yeah, I was surprised to see the Czech presidents words too but in general, I believe he is right.  Obama's excessive borrowing and spending is at very least very debateable and other leaders have the right to criticize the president's plan.  Hell, more than half of Americans disagree with his plans for the economy (despite a fairly high 60% personal approval rating).

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« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2009, 12:12:36 PM »
Yeah, I was surprised to see the Czech presidents words too but in general, I believe he is right.  Obama's excessive borrowing and spending is at very least very debateable and other leaders have the right to criticize the president's plan.  Hell, more than half of Americans disagree with his plans for the economy (despite a fairly high 60% personal approval rating).

Makes sense: we borrowed and overspent our way into this mess so the solution is MORE borrowing and more overspending? ???
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