Suicide

[Migs]

Is it a weak thing to do?

Is it a strong thing to do?

Is it selfish?

What do you think about it?

[OzmO]

Is it a weak thing to do?

Is it a strong thing to do?

Is it selfish?

What do you think about it?

I think it's awful.  I had a friend commit suicide about 15 years ago.  It's was very tough on the family and close friends. 

It's not a strong thing to do.  I heard once that it was a hurtful thing to do.  People often times do it to get back at someone else.

I donno though.  I hope i never have to go through it like my friends family did.

I wonder what the bible says about it.  For that matter, I wonder what the Koran says about it too as suicide bombers are in the news these days.

[Migs]

Also, do you think the way that they took their life makes a difference?  Going somewhere and doing it rather than make it public, like jumpig off an overpass etc.

[Migs]

um deicide, were you thinking about posting something and did this by accident?

[Butterbean]

um deicide, were you thinking about posting something and did this by accident?

I think he was trying to help you by showing you something beautiful to live for, but we're not allowed to have nudity on this board.

Migs, suicide messes people up badly that are still here.  Especially people that think they could have either prevented it or been somehow responsible for it (whether they correctly or incorrectly believe that).

[Migs]

I think he was trying to help you by showing you something beautiful to live for, but we're not allowed to have nudity on this board.

Migs, suicide messes people up badly that are still here.  Especially people that think they could have either prevented it or been somehow responsible for it (whether they correctly or incorrectly believe that).

Stella, language!  lol

see i think that the suicide note gives explanation.  I know that they still would feel pain and not truly understand.  But atleast you can tell them it's not thier fault etc.  I definatly wouldn't do it were i lived.  I hate when i hear people doing it in a public place.  One uy this week did it a few exits up from were i live.  He jumpd over the the railing and into traffic.  Blocked up the wntire highway.  That is crap.  Screwed up thousands of peoples day.  I would o it more privatley.  and be considereate.  well as considerate as possible.  You know, go to a hotel, post notes on the closed bathroom door about waht happened.  i'd do it in both english and spanish, don't need to subject the poor housekeeper to it.  have individual letters on the night stand or mail out the ones at a distance. No reason to make it worse for eeveryone.  That is if i weree to do it.  not saying I am.  But i don't neessarily tnnk its a weak thing to do, it take guts knowing what you are doing.  Selfish, maybe to a degree.  After all you are ending your pain, but giving others pain.  sorry for the typos in this.  I have mittens fingers sometimes.

[Butterbean]

Stella, language!  lol

see i think that the suicide note gives explanation.  I know that they still would feel pain and not truly understand.  But atleast you can tell them it's not thier fault etc.  I definatly wouldn't do it were i lived.  I hate when i hear people doing it in a public place.  One uy this week did it a few exits up from were i live.  He jumpd over the the railing and into traffic.  Blocked up the wntire highway.  That is crap.  Screwed up thousands of peoples day.  I would o it more privatley.  and be considereate.  well as considerate as possible.  You know, go to a hotel, post notes on the closed bathroom door about waht happened.  i'd do it in both english and spanish, don't need to subject the poor housekeeper to it.  have individual letters on the night stand or mail out the ones at a distance. No reason to make it worse for eeveryone.  That is if i weree to do it.  not saying I am.  But i don't neessarily tnnk its a weak thing to do, it take guts knowing what you are doing.  Selfish, maybe to a degree.  After all you are ending your pain, but giving others pain.  sorry for the typos in this.  I have mittens fingers sometimes.

It takes a lot of guts to get through days ahead when you feel terrible.  It takes a lot of guts to get through parts of life that feel hopeless.   YOu are stronger than that.

And yes, people may think their suicide death won't affect others but that is BS.  The people that loved you are affected, the people that find you are affected, the people that clean up after you are affected, some of the people that investigate your death are affected.

And guess what?  People that all those people love are affected.  There are people you've never met in person that are affected.

[Migs]

It takes a lot of guts to get through days ahead when you feel like sh*t.  It takes a lot of guts to get through parts of life that feel hopeless.  F*** those!  YOu are stronger than that.

And yes, people may think their suicide death won't affect others but that is bullshit.  The people that loved you are affected, the people that find you are affected, the people that clean up after you are affected, some of the people that investigate your death are affected.

And guess what?  People that all those people love are affected.  There are people you've never met in person that are affected.

oh someone is fiesty tonight.  I agree that people will get affected.  But in my opinion, if you commit suicide you should at least try to minimize the collateral damgae.  If you shoot yourelf, line the tube with a tarp etc, I assume that makes cleanup easier.  Just saying that people should still hae manners.

[BigMenace]

oh someone is fiesty tonight.  I agree that people will get affected.  But in my opinion, if you commit suicide you should at least try to minimize the collateral damgae.  If you shoot yourelf, line the tube with a tarp etc, I assume that makes cleanup easier.  Just saying that people should still hae manners.

I had a friend in H.S who's brother set up tarps in their basement before he shot himself.  Needless to say, it fvcked her up.  One of my best friends freshman year of H.S hung himself from a tree on his parent's farm.  Very sad and tough o deal with.  I can't say I've never thought of it but I think I'm too strong mentally to take the easy way out.  I've always pushed through and things always get better.  Life is a roller coaster ride no doubt but any way you look at it, suicide has a ripple effect that damages A LOT of people in most cases.

[Butterbean]

oh someone is fiesty tonight.  I agree that people will get affected.  But in my opinion, if you commit suicide you should at least try to minimize the collateral damgae.  If you shoot yourelf, line the tube with a tarp etc, I assume that makes cleanup easier.  Just saying that people should still hae manners.

I understand the manners thoughts but you can't really mitigate the psychological damage done to the people involved.


P.S. I edited my post

I had a friend in H.S who's brother set up tarps in their basement before he shot himself.  Needless to say, it fvcked her up.  One of my best friends freshman year of H.S hung himself from a tree on his parent's farm.  Very sad and tough o deal with.  I can't say I've never thought of it but I think I'm too strong mentally to take the easy way out.  I've always pushed through and things always get better.  Life is a roller coaster ride no doubt but any way you look at it, suicide has a ripple effect that damages A LOT of people in most cases.

Thank you for sharing this BigMenace.  I'm sorry these things happened.

[Migs]

I understand the manners thoughts but you can't really mitigate the psychological damage done to the people involved.

true, but at least try.  At least it showed you cared enough to try and protect them from the experience as much as possible.

[24KT]

Is it a weak thing to do?

Is it a strong thing to do?

Is it selfish?

What do you think about it?

All of the above and then some. Sometimes it can also be the ultimate exercise of control over your own destiny.

[Migs]

All of the above and then some. Sometimes it can also be the ultimate exercise of control over your own destiny.

I happen to see that point and agree with it.  It depends on the circumstances.  Although its obvious that a person who takes their life feels that the reason they did it was over bearing, and justifiable.  Honestly, commintg suiciced over getting less than an "a" on a term paper seems stupid to me, it may not be for that person.  I have a tendancy to not judge thsoe that do it, due to a terminal illness, loliness, losing a loved one, broken heart.  Take control over your destiny is plausible. 

[Deicide]

Suicide is widely misunderstood; it is not good, not bad, it merely is; it carries with it no moral quality. Suicide happens when coping resources are exceeded by pain. It's pretty simple.

[Migs]

Suicide is widely misunderstood; it is not good, not bad, it merely is; it carries with it no moral quality. Suicide happens when coping resources are exceeded by pain. It's pretty simple.

good point

[Dos Equis]

Is it a weak thing to do?

Is it a strong thing to do?

Is it selfish?

What do you think about it?

As a general proposition, yes it is weak and selfish. 

In certain contexts, I don't think it's either weak or selfish.  For instance, someone who has been suffering from a painful illness for an extended period of time with no hope of recovery who commits suicide is neither weak nor selfish IMO. 

Same goes for someone who is suffering from depression that isn't properly treated. 

Someone with other mental illnesses that affects their ability to think rationally.

Having recently experienced this issue, I have sort of softened my stance.  I used to get angry anytime I heard about someone committing suicide.  But my friend, who was a good man, took his own life, and I'm not angry.  Just sad.  My opinion of him hasn't changed.     

[Migs]

I hold the belief that the person should do as he/she wishes.  Even though it causes pain to others, it's ultimately their life, their pain.  You never really can understand all the reasons a person may do it for, or may think that it's such a tragedy.  People go through hell and some come out victors and others are changed forever.  They become tired, and although everything on the outside looks fine, inside the are shaken to the core.  It's a way to put their final chapter to an end.  Whether they go to hell or heaven, is another question and one that we never will know the answer to.  As much as some think it is a mortal sin, we can't really tell.  If the person was a good person and one who did good things, is it fair to say that they will go to hell.  Maybe i hold the belief of the totality of circumstances and that the way you lived your life determines your afterlife is there is one.  Not so much your last moments of your life. 

[ToxicAvenger]

Is it a weak thing to do?

Is it a strong thing to do?

Is it selfish?

What do you think about it?

i dont know....


but  i sure encourage it in folks i dont know

[Migs]

i dont know....


but  i sure encourage it in folks i dont know

not exactly what I was looking for in an answer.

[Tre]

With the exception of the mentally ill, it's weak and selfish, but who gives a fuck? 

It's only a problem if the fuckers reproduced beforehand.  I don't want their defective DNA polluting our gene pool.

[Butterbean]

I hold the belief that the person should do as he/she wishes. 

What if they have minor children?

  Whether they go to hell or heaven, is another question and one that we never will know the answer to.   

Unless there is truly nothing after death, we will know the answer.

  As much as some think it is a mortal sin, we can't really tell. 

Is a mortal sin a Catholic specification?  What does it mean?

  If the person was a good person and one who did good things, is it fair to say that they will go to hell. 

I believe if the person was a believer, even though they commit suicide they go to heaven.

[Deicide]

I hold the belief that the person should do as he/she wishes.  Even though it causes pain to others, it's ultimately their life, their pain.  You never really can understand all the reasons a person may do it for, or may think that it's such a tragedy.  People go through hell and some come out victors and others are changed forever.  They become tired, and although everything on the outside looks fine, inside the are shaken to the core.  It's a way to put their final chapter to an end.  Whether they go to hell or heaven, is another question and one that we never will know the answer to.  As much as some think it is a mortal sin, we can't really tell.  If the person was a good person and one who did good things, is it fair to say that they will go to hell.  Maybe i hold the belief of the totality of circumstances and that the way you lived your life determines your afterlife is there is one.  Not so much your last moments of your life. 

 

[Migs]

What if they have minor children?

Unless there is truly nothing after death, we will know the answer.


Is a mortal sin a Catholic specification?  What does it mean?


I believe if the person was a believer, even though they commit suicide they go to heaven.

Probably best to so it before they get older.  That way they don't form a stronger bond and can forget about you.

Mortal sin being you go to hell, straight to hell, you don't pass Go or collect $100.  Mostly a catholic premise

[Government_Controlled]

One thing is for sure, God is fair, righteous, just, kind, peaceable, mild, and most importantly, as well as, His most significant quality, a GOD OF LOVE.

What ever decision He makes on the issue will be the right one, guaranteed!   



GC/DEA_AGENT

[Migs]

one would hope