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Re: Can nascar drivers do this?
« Reply #50 on: March 26, 2009, 08:42:59 AM »
and if you show true talent you will eventually get signed to a bigger company and get a better car etc etc

Yes and no. All things being equal, if there is a seat open in F1 and there was an American and a European up for the ride, the European would get it. They really don't want American drivers

It's the same here too.....why aren't there Brazilian and Euro drivers dominating NASCAR and cashing in if they are so great? Our money is green. Because they aren't wanted.

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Re: Can nascar drivers do this?
« Reply #51 on: March 26, 2009, 08:46:26 AM »
Man, I sure would love to race Rally someday ! Looks, obviously, VERY challenging as well as a lot of fun !

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Re: Can nascar drivers do this?
« Reply #52 on: March 26, 2009, 09:06:38 AM »
 Lets go back to the videos.
 shall we? ;D







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Re: Can nascar drivers do this?
« Reply #53 on: March 26, 2009, 10:31:48 AM »
Lets go back to the videos.
 shall we? ;  8)

I agree ,


Listen to the scream before they crash  ;D  ;D(2:30 mark)

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Re: Can nascar drivers do this?
« Reply #54 on: March 26, 2009, 11:10:13 AM »
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Re: Can nascar drivers do this?
« Reply #55 on: March 27, 2009, 01:16:22 PM »
Don't be dumb....F1 cars are set-up totally different....much more downforce, control, etc... not to mention much lighter.  I'm not really a fan of either one, but to act like there is no skill in NASCAR is stupid.  If it's so easy, why don't the F1 drivers move to NASCAR where there are huge paydays?  Ask Villenue or Montoya how "easy" NASCAR is.

They are burnouts, and never were at the top of the game like Shuey was. Maybe Villeivue, but Montoya was a overhyped spoiled brat who had trouble making the crossover from Cart to f1, and whined that he wasn't in a Ferrari.

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Re: Can nascar drivers do this?
« Reply #56 on: March 27, 2009, 01:22:30 PM »
They are burnouts, and never were at the top of the game like Shuey was. Maybe Villeivue, but Montoya was a overhyped spoiled brat who had trouble making the crossover from Cart to f1, and whined that he wasn't in a Ferrari.

But it's unfair to act like every F1 driver is "100 times better" than NACAR drivers.  It's simply not true.  The set-up is different, driving is different (real shifting)etc.... and those guys are just proof of that.

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« Reply #57 on: March 27, 2009, 02:32:40 PM »
But it's unfair to act like every F1 driver is "100 times better" than NACAR drivers.  It's simply not true.  The set-up is different, driving is different (real shifting)etc.... and those guys are just proof of that.

they still only drive to their left,you can't ignore that

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Re: Can nascar drivers do this?
« Reply #58 on: March 27, 2009, 02:36:25 PM »
But it's unfair to act like every F1 driver is "100 times better" than NACAR drivers.  It's simply not true.  The set-up is different, driving is different (real shifting)etc.... and those guys are just proof of that.

Well, when Nascar has  road track event, there are so many crashes on the first turn it is pathetic.

It's sad that the cars we drive today or to the track are more technically superior than today's NASCAR racecar. What's with still using the trailing arm suspension that Mr.Johnson used on his cars 40+ yrs ago (after seeing them on a truck)? And I don't think they use carbonfiber yet at all. The drivers are secondary to the product placement on the cars. This is proven by the NASCAR commercials focusing on the crashes.

NUMBER 1, NASCAR is about entertainment, not driving. The more money that they generate and more people buy the sponsors products, the end result doesn't matter. Which is why, the average F1 racers is better than the average NASCAR racer. There are tons of feeder systems for F1, only a few for NASCAR. Hell, When you have Ferrari and BMW who use F1 tech on their road cars, it shows you how serious they take it.

Whereas, in NASCAR one used to be able to buy the engine and have that in your road car (right off the showroom floor). True American  production based stock car racing is dead.  Ford hasn't had a true RWD midsized sedan for a while and the Panther chassis  for the Crown Vic well over 30+ yrs old. Actually Germany DTM   is more stock car racing than Germany is.

And Jeff Gordon's reaction to when they did a Trading Paint, where  he traded rides with then F1 Willams-BMW racer Montoya---Gordon was amazed at the lightness, the superior handling and braking    

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Re: Can nascar drivers do this?
« Reply #59 on: March 27, 2009, 02:42:10 PM »
But it's unfair to act like every F1 driver is "100 times better" than NACAR drivers.  It's simply not true.  The set-up is different, driving is different (real shifting)etc.... and those guys are just proof of that.

 Yes, they are better than nascar drivers.
 here. real shifting.







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Re: Can nascar drivers do this?
« Reply #60 on: March 27, 2009, 02:51:52 PM »
  Gilles Vileneuve, yeah  he was good.





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Re: Can nascar drivers do this?
« Reply #61 on: March 27, 2009, 02:54:16 PM »
Nascar gets ALL the ho's...........I've seen more pussy at nascar then a football game. Not really the redneck pigs either. 8)

Dario Franchitti drives NASCAR?


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Re: Can nascar drivers do this?
« Reply #62 on: March 27, 2009, 02:57:33 PM »
Yes and no. All things being equal, if there is a seat open in F1 and there was an American and a European up for the ride, the European would get it. They really don't want American drivers

It's the same here too.....why aren't there Brazilian and Euro drivers dominating NASCAR and cashing in if they are so great? Our money is green. Because they aren't wanted.

Who wants to chear for some stuck up European when you can have a good ole country boy driving around in circles.

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Re: Can nascar drivers do this?
« Reply #63 on: March 27, 2009, 02:59:37 PM »
And you really can't compare Nascar with F1.  They are two totally different types of racing.  I like Nascar but I think F1 is just awesome.  Nascar is a made for everyday class and F1 is for upper class people.  It just seems to work that way.  The very rich hang around F1 races and people dress fancier and drink champagne and Nascar brings out the normal American who drink beer.

100% correct.

The culture of each sport is completely different and it would take generations to change that. 

Can you really imagine your well-to-do friends purchasing a skybox at a large NASCAR event?  Some would, but if I'm spending $20,000 on a racing getaway, then we're going to watch an F1 race. 

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Re: Can nascar drivers do this?
« Reply #64 on: March 27, 2009, 03:01:39 PM »
Who wants to chear for some stuck up European when you can have a good ole country boy driving around in circles.

I'm a NASCAR fan, because it's traditionally been an all-American event.  I grew up being a big Winston Cup follower. 

I don't watch as much anymore, though, since they went Nextel and started putting more Japanese makes on the track.

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Re: Can nascar drivers do this?
« Reply #65 on: March 27, 2009, 03:28:10 PM »
Well, when Nascar has  road track event, there are so many crashes on the first turn it is pathetic.

It's sad that the cars we drive today or to the track are more technically superior than today's NASCAR racecar. What's with still using the trailing arm suspension that Mr.Johnson used on his cars 40+ yrs ago (after seeing them on a truck)? And I don't think they use carbonfiber yet at all. The drivers are secondary to the product placement on the cars. This is proven by the NASCAR commercials focusing on the crashes.

NUMBER 1, NASCAR is about entertainment, not driving. The more money that they generate and more people buy the sponsors products, the end result doesn't matter. Which is why, the average F1 racers is better than the average NASCAR racer. There are tons of feeder systems for F1, only a few for NASCAR. Hell, When you have Ferrari and BMW who use F1 tech on their road cars, it shows you how serious they take it.

Whereas, in NASCAR one used to be able to buy the engine and have that in your road car (right off the showroom floor). True American  production based stock car racing is dead.  Ford hasn't had a true RWD midsized sedan for a while and the Panther chassis  for the Crown Vic well over 30+ yrs old. Actually Germany DTM   is more stock car racing than Germany is.

And Jeff Gordon's reaction to when they did a Trading Paint, where  he traded rides with then F1 Willams-BMW racer Montoya---Gordon was amazed at the lightness, the superior handling and braking    


Parker, you just made half my argument for me....the tech in the F1 cars is vastly superior.  The downforce, set-up, etc....make the cars stick to the track.  So the NASCAR drivers have an inferior tech car.  So how exactly does that make them lesser drivers?  Their cars are waaaay heavier, don't handle as well, don't brake as well and are just not as responsive.....yet F1 drivers are "100 times better?"  I don't see it or believe it.

I forgot about Franchitti.  He got completly overwhelmed.






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Re: Can nascar drivers do this?
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Re: Can nascar drivers do this?
« Reply #67 on: March 27, 2009, 03:31:05 PM »
Dario Franchitti drives NASCAR?



 David drives F1.

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Re: Can nascar drivers do this?
« Reply #68 on: March 27, 2009, 03:31:06 PM »
I'm a NASCAR fan, because it's traditionally been an all-American event.  I grew up being a big Winston Cup follower. 

I don't watch as much anymore, though, since they went Nextel and started putting more Japanese makes on the track.

I'm right there with you Tre....

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Re: Can nascar drivers do this?
« Reply #69 on: March 27, 2009, 03:48:00 PM »
 Check it out Kimi Raikkonen's bikes.

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Re: Can nascar drivers do this?
« Reply #72 on: March 27, 2009, 03:54:21 PM »
Forget all this, here's where the fun begins.


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Re: Can nascar drivers do this?
« Reply #73 on: March 27, 2009, 03:58:12 PM »

Parker, you just made half my argument for me....the tech in the F1 cars is vastly superior.  The downforce, set-up, etc....make the cars stick to the track.  So the NASCAR drivers have an inferior tech car.  So how exactly does that make them lesser drivers?  Their cars are waaaay heavier, don't handle as well, don't brake as well and are just not as responsive.....yet F1 drivers are "100 times better?"  I don't see it or believe it.

I forgot about Franchitti.  He got completly overwhelmed.







Because NASCAR doesn't require them to be good. It is a Show, entertainment, and product placement. Driver skill, saftey, are all second to making money. NASCAR has never really required drivers to have skill. NASCAR was never founded on driver skill. Backwoods dudes who drove moonshine the fastest...that what it was. I wish to god that NASCAR adapting to DTM rules or similar. When you have dumb down cars, that are heavy, lack good brakes, and all you do is turn left, and try and do do durty tricks. The skill level is not as good, it is not required to be. Because of the lack of overtaking in F1, patience and superior driving skill is needed. Also it is frowned upon in F1 to hit the others cars, one because of safety, and two because the cars are so advanced and expensive that last yr car is outdated, your talking multimillion dollar cars vs, a few hundred thousand for a NASCAR stocker.

But, if Ferrari were to offer Montoya a contract in ferrari next yr, you'd see him gone, and that is for the top guys in NASCAR. Europe has better reace car drivers, better cars, and altogether better drivers period (in terms of average everyday driver)

Furthermore, the question is, why is it that NASCAR  has DUMB down cars? Why is it that a ZR-1 or a GT-R or a 599GTB,etc could out perform a NASCAR stocker, in excelleration, braking, skidpad, topspeed, virtually every category. And these are prodcution cars. Why doesn't NASCAR say, "lets upgrade our cars, and upgrade the level of play", especially because they make tons of money and have tons of money to address these issues? Well, because the FRANCE family and their corporate cronies are getting fat from their greedy endeavor...and that is why the DRIVER skill means little in NASCAR. THAT is why they focus on crashes in their commericals, because they know that crashes draw crowds, like train wrecks. Jeff Gordon and company their skill means nothing...And Dale Earnhardt's death mean jackshit, because  they knew that there were safety issues, they didn't want to address it until someone died.

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« Reply #74 on: March 27, 2009, 04:00:54 PM »
Because NASCAR doesn't require them to be good. It is a Show, entertainment, and product placement. Driver skill, saftey, are all second to making money. NASCAR has never really required drivers to have skill. NASCAR was never founded on driver skill. Backwoods dudes who drove moonshine the fastest...that what it was. I wish to god that NASCAR adapting to DTM rules or similar. When you have dumb down cars, that are heavy, lack good brakes, and all you do is turn left, and try and do do durty tricks. The skill level is not as good, it is not required to be. Because of the lack of overtaking in F1, patience and superior driving skill is needed. Also it is frowned upon in F1 to hit the others cars, one because of safety, and two because the cars are so advanced and expensive that last yr car is outdated, your talking multimillion dollar cars vs, a few hundred thousand for a NASCAR stocker.

But, if Ferrari were to offer Montoya a contract in ferrari next yr, you'd see him gone, and that is for the top guys in NASCAR. Europe has better reace car drivers, better cars, and altogether better drivers period (in terms of average everyday driver)

Furthermore, the question is, why is it that NASCAR  has DUMB down cars? Why is it that a ZR-1 or a GT-R or a 599GTB,etc could out perform a NASCAR stocker, in excelleration, braking, skidpad, topspeed, virtually every category. And these are prodcution cars. Why doesn't NASCAR say, "lets upgrade our cars, and upgrade the level of play", especially because they make tons of money and have tons of money to address these issues? Well, because the FRANCE family and their corporate cronies are getting fat from their greedy endeavor...and that is why the DRIVER skill means little in NASCAR. THAT is why they focus on crashes in their commericals, because they know that crashes draw crowds, like train wrecks. Jeff Gordon and company their skill means nothing...And Dale Earnhardt's death mean jackshit, because  they knew that there were safety issues, they didn't want to address it until someone died.

You're sorta from up North.   ;)

How do you know so much about NASCAR??