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The ‘America Is Arming Mexico’s Drug Gangs’ Lie
« on: April 01, 2009, 07:35:56 AM »
“There is an iron river of guns that flows South into Mexico [from the United States] to supply criminal organizations on the border,” says Tom Mangan, senior special agent with Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) in Phoenix. “They are in the market for machine guns, hand grenades, rocket-propelled grenade launchers and Stinger anti-aircraft missiles,” he continues. That’s right. The drug gangs can’t buy that and other military stuff like the 40MM grenades (the silver things in the upper left) and the rifles with launchers shown in the photo below in Mexico, so they drive to the United States and purchase them from American gun dealers at retail. Isn’t that the story you’ve been told?  Well, congratulations. America’s First Amendment protected propaganda ministry has punked you on another important issue — this time on behalf of dissembling officials and gun confiscation advocates.



For the benefit of those who may not know, machine guns (not the same thing as the demonized “semi-automatic”), hand grenades, rocket-propelled grenade launchers, Stinger anti-aircraft missiles and other such military items are illegal to possess by US civilians, which means they are not for sale in gun stores. OK, in the interest of extreme accuracy for anyone in need, there are some civilian owned machine-guns in America, but they all have to have been registered with the ATF by 1986 as evidence that a special Treasury tax has been paid and the owner’s residence state has to approve the possession. What’s more, none of these arms has ever been involved in a crime, to my knowledge, and all are considered very pricey collectors items. That means they are not for sale to or in the hands of Mexican drug goons.

That raises some questions:

If Mexican gangsters are not buying military weapons in the United States, why do people like ATF officials, Attorney General Holder, Secretary of State Clinton, gun prohibitionists like Sarah Brady and multitudes of media talking heads claim they are while calling for an American “assault weapon” ban they say will to keep the Mexican drug gangs from buying what they really aren’t buying here because they can’t?

And if Mexican gangsters are not buying their military weapons in America from gun dealers as claimed, where are they buying them?

Confused? Well, as Fox News’ pundit Charles Krauthammer explained in one of his 1996 Washington Post columns, the answer to question one is quite simple:

Passing a law like the assault weapons ban is symbolic — purely symbolic … In fact, the assault weapons ban will have no effect either on the crime rate or on personal security. Nonetheless, it is a good idea … Its only real justification is not to reduce crime but to desensitize the public to the regulation of weapons in preparation for their ultimate confiscation … Ultimately, a civilized society must disarm its citizenry if it is to have a modicum of domestic tranquillity of the kind enjoyed in sister democracies like Canada and Britain … Yes, Sarah Brady is doing God’s work.

Krauthammer is able to so clearly state the obvious that most government officials, politicians, gun banners and reporters keep denying because he does not have to lie to voters in order to stay in office or keep donations coming in, as Sarah Brady does. Neither do I. So please note that all the public safety blather about “plastic guns” that can evade metal screener detection, “cop killer bullets” that are specifically made to murder police officers, “Saturday Night Specials” which are unsafe for anyone to possess (except for police — there’s always a police exception) and the other oft repeated gun control paradigms are simply bogus media ready scare phrases that have zero to do with public safety and everything to do with eventually outlawing the private ownership of firearms.

Maybe you agree with that goal and maybe you don’t, but that’s the object of “reasonable gun control” advocacy.

The answer to the second question is equally obvious. Gun running from the United States into Mexico has been going on since the 1800s. But the stuff bought or stolen here is not the military weaponry we are continually told is arming the gangs there. This paragraph from a Los Angeles Times story managed to get the story right even if nobody else in the media will report it:

Most of these [military] weapons are being smuggled from Central American countries or by sea, eluding U.S. and Mexican monitors who are focused on the smuggling of semi-automatic and conventional weapons purchased from dealers in the U.S. border states of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California. . . . The enhanced weaponry represents a wide sampling from the international arms bazaar, with grenades and launchers produced by U.S., South Korean, Israeli, Spanish or former Soviet bloc manufacturers. Many had been sold legally to governments, including Mexico’s, and then were diverted onto the black market. Some may be sold directly to the traffickers by corrupt elements of national armies, authorities and experts say … These groups appear to be taking advantage of a robust global black market and porous borders, especially between Mexico and Guatemala. Some of the weapons are left over from the wars that the United States helped fight in Central America, U.S. officials said.

Stratfor, a private intelligence agency, noted more:

Grenades used in three recent attacks in Monterey, Mexico, and Pharr, Texas, all originated from the same lot delivered from South Korea.

So let’s recap.

Attorney General Holder, Secretary of State Clinton, ATF officials and a host of others claim that an “assault weapon ban” against American civilians will keep Mexican drug cartels with gazillions of dollars in their jeans from buying military weapons on the international black market.

Hey, makes sense to me.

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Re: The ‘America Is Arming Mexico’s Drug Gangs’ Lie
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2009, 07:38:09 AM »
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Re: The ‘America Is Arming Mexico’s Drug Gangs’ Lie
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2009, 07:40:55 AM »
Only if u want some douchbag lib to take ur guns.....Hil basically lied her ass off on TV about the guns streaming into mexico. I fail to remember seeing militray grade tech in gun stores. The dems want ur guns, and all the signs point to it. The libs whines about the patriot act and Bush but who's ordering businesses around, who's trying to restrict guns, whos taking away right...Barry the shitbag and his band of morons.
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Re: The ‘America Is Arming Mexico’s Drug Gangs’ Lie
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2009, 07:45:44 AM »
Only if u want some douchbag lib to take ur guns.....Hil basically lied her ass off on TV about the guns streaming into mexico. I fail to remember seeing militray grade tech in gun stores. The dems want ur guns, and all the signs point to it. The libs whines about the patriot act and Bush but who's ordering businesses around, who's trying to restrict guns, whos taking away right...Barry the shitbag and his band of morons.
They cant take our guns. Thats a scare tactic.

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Re: The ‘America Is Arming Mexico’s Drug Gangs’ Lie
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2009, 07:49:22 AM »
"They" can do anything they want. Or more to the point, they can legislate whatever they want. Anybody hear Clinton and her BS last week about this. I hope ur right.
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Re: The ‘America Is Arming Mexico’s Drug Gangs’ Lie
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2009, 09:10:30 AM »
They cant take our guns. Thats a scare tactic.

"They" will, unless we keep fighting it just like anything else in this country.  I believe that if we just said, "It will never happen.", then we will wake up one day with it happening.  There are people that stay on top of this to make sure it doesn't happen.  If there weren't then there would already be a permament ban.



















































Disclaimer: That's just my thoughts on gun control or any other related issue to our rights.  This post has nothing to do with HH6's opinion of what a "shitbag" Barry is.

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Re: The ‘America Is Arming Mexico’s Drug Gangs’ Lie
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2009, 09:20:39 AM »
Only if u want some douchbag lib to take ur guns.....Hil basically lied her ass off on TV about the guns streaming into mexico. I fail to remember seeing militray grade tech in gun stores. The dems want ur guns, and all the signs point to it. The libs whines about the patriot act and Bush but who's ordering businesses around, who's trying to restrict guns, whos taking away right...Barry the shitbag and his band of morons.

Unlike Bush, Obama doesn't want to trash the Constitution and remake it in his own opinion.

So.. pretty much don't think men in black are going to show up at your house and demand your guns.  The over dramatic crying and whining gets old after a while.

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Re: The ‘America Is Arming Mexico’s Drug Gangs’ Lie
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2009, 09:30:13 AM »
pendulum. 

even if obama does get some changes done, they won't last.

when a repub wins in 2016, they'll sunset everything and guns and clips will be dirt cheap again.  everyone here should remember clinton then bush.

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Re: The ‘America Is Arming Mexico’s Drug Gangs’ Lie
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2009, 09:36:23 AM »
pendulum. 

even if obama does get some changes done, they won't last.

when a repub wins in 2016, they'll sunset everything and guns and clips will be dirt cheap again.  everyone here should remember clinton then bush.

The way Barry is going he may be dictator for life, well beyond 2016.

As far as Guns go, everyone and anyone with any sense of history knows that an armed citizenry is a free citizenry or at a minimum a good check of tyrannical government. 

Liberals who usually never read history books dont realize that gun control is always most popular with the worst tyrants like Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, MAO, Castro, and others.

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Re: The ‘America Is Arming Mexico’s Drug Gangs’ Lie
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2009, 09:43:03 AM »
The way Barry is going he may be dictator for life, well beyond 2016.

yeah, they said the same thing about Bush, who (you gotta admit) facefvcked the constitution for 8 years.


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Re: The ‘America Is Arming Mexico’s Drug Gangs’ Lie
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2009, 09:44:53 AM »
yeah, they said the same thing about Bush, who (you gotta admit) facefvcked the constitution for 8 years.



No, no. We all know Bush was a good guy and only Obama is evil. Where the hell have you been 240?
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Re: The ‘America Is Arming Mexico’s Drug Gangs’ Lie
« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2009, 09:45:17 AM »
yeah, they said the same thing about Bush, who (you gotta admit) facefvcked the constitution for 8 years.



Bush did not have Acorn behind him or mindless non-taxpaying cult followers demanding weflare, amnesty for illegal aiens, cap and trade taxes, and free health care.

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Re: The ‘America Is Arming Mexico’s Drug Gangs’ Lie
« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2009, 10:01:42 AM »
Bush did not have Acorn behind him or mindless non-taxpaying cult followers demanding weflare, amnesty for illegal aiens, cap and trade taxes, and free health care.

No, he had oil companies, war mongers, and brainless zealots behind him demanding more of "god's will" to be followed.

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Re: The ‘America Is Arming Mexico’s Drug Gangs’ Lie
« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2009, 10:10:43 AM »
No, he had oil companies, war mongers, and brainless zealots behind him demanding more of "god's will" to be followed.

exactly...he was just doing what god told him to do  ::)
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Re: The ‘America Is Arming Mexico’s Drug Gangs’ Lie
« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2009, 10:57:02 AM »
exactly...he was just doing what god told him to do  ::)

His words, not mine.

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Re: The ‘America Is Arming Mexico’s Drug Gangs’ Lie
« Reply #15 on: April 01, 2009, 11:00:44 AM »
No, he had oil companies, war mongers, and brainless zealots behind him demanding more of "god's will" to be followed.

I did not know 51% of population were brainless zealots in 2004. 

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Re: The ‘America Is Arming Mexico’s Drug Gangs’ Lie
« Reply #16 on: April 01, 2009, 11:04:36 AM »
I did not know 51% of population were brainless zealots in 2004. 

now you know.  i was among them :(

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Re: The ‘America Is Arming Mexico’s Drug Gangs’ Lie
« Reply #17 on: April 01, 2009, 11:09:26 AM »
His words, not mine.

I know I agree with you.
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Re: The ‘America Is Arming Mexico’s Drug Gangs’ Lie
« Reply #18 on: April 01, 2009, 11:18:34 AM »
I did not know 51% of population were brainless zealots in 2004. 

Apparently so.

But some woke up and smelled the roses.

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Re: The ‘America Is Arming Mexico’s Drug Gangs’ Lie
« Reply #19 on: April 01, 2009, 12:24:58 PM »
Yeah Bush trampled the Constitution...whos talking about taking guns....DEMS...who's gonna violate the 2nd Amendment...DEMS..where does it say Obama has the power to fire a CEO...nowhere. Where does the Federal gov hav the power to buy businesses? This guy gets worse by the day. Oh an d great call giving the Queen an IPOD. First off thats offensive plus she already has one. How hard was it to find out she already had one..how hard Barry? The folks at the White House resemble a bunch of monkies fucking a football.
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Re: The ‘America Is Arming Mexico’s Drug Gangs’ Lie
« Reply #20 on: April 01, 2009, 12:37:14 PM »
Yeah Bush trampled the Constitution...whos talking about taking guns....DEMS...who's gonna violate the 2nd Amendment...DEMS..where does it say Obama has the power to fire a CEO...nowhere. Where does the Federal gov hav the power to buy businesses? This guy gets worse by the day. Oh an d great call giving the Queen an IPOD. First off thats offensive plus she already has one. How hard was it to find out she already had one..how hard Barry? The folks at the White House resemble a bunch of monkies fucking a football.

Obama is an April Fools joke in of himself.  He is a disgrace. 

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Re: The ‘America Is Arming Mexico’s Drug Gangs’ Lie
« Reply #21 on: April 01, 2009, 12:44:07 PM »
So where do the Mexican drug cartels buy their weapons?
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Re: The ‘America Is Arming Mexico’s Drug Gangs’ Lie
« Reply #22 on: April 01, 2009, 12:46:53 PM »
So where do the Mexican drug cartels buy their weapons?

China, Pakistan, Mexican army soldiers.

The ATF has never released the serial numbers. 

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Re: The ‘America Is Arming Mexico’s Drug Gangs’ Lie
« Reply #23 on: April 01, 2009, 01:11:35 PM »
Obama simply owns the minds of the subset Bushites around here. 

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Re: The ‘America Is Arming Mexico’s Drug Gangs’ Lie
« Reply #24 on: April 01, 2009, 01:15:12 PM »
So where do the Mexican drug cartels buy their weapons?

There are thousands of soldiers or former soldiers working for the cartels. Factor in Los Zetas, whose upper leadership are all former special forces soldiers and was formed by special forces deserters, and they most likely have easy access to all kinds of military tech.